Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse

[Tisme]

I don't think the Commission is a complete farce. Better these things see the light of day rather than fester in the background.

The sad thing is that there is more child abuse going on in families that never see the light of day because people don't want to break up a relationship or fear that they will be blamed themselves.

The Church is the tip of the iceberg on child abuse, and societal abuse is something that will never be investigated.

I say farce because it didn't amount to a "hill of beans" except as you say bring to light the players ... as knobby22's post indicates it has probably had zip effect on the true believers and the non believers.

It seems to me that Royal Commissions are merely a vehicle to slur and play word games, worst still as seen with the Union commission, political witchhunts.

If there has been criminal behaviour the monies should be poured into police investigations and convictions IMO.

 

[noco]

I don't think the Commission is a complete farce. Better these things see the light of day rather than fester in the background.

The sad thing is that there is more child abuse going on in families that never see the light of day because people don't want to break up a relationship or fear that they will be blamed themselves.

The Church is the tip of the iceberg on child abuse, and societal abuse is something that will never be investigated.

It is a complete and utter farce......It is all about the Fabian indoctrinated LUG party out to kill the Catholic Church.

Still no mention of child abuse in the Islamic world and Aboriginal communities....I bet there is far more abuse going on in these institutions than in the Catholic Church.

Can you tell me why Rumpy or are you and your lefty mates turning a blind eye to it for fear of repercussions in those communities?

 

[SirRumpole]

It is a complete and utter farce......It is all about the Fabian indoctrinated LUG party out to kill the Catholic Church.

Still no mention of child abuse in the Islamic world and Aboriginal communities....I bet there is far more abuse going on in these institutions than in the Catholic Church.

Can you tell me why Rumpy or are you and your lefty mates turning a blind eye to it for fear of repercussions in those communities?

I've said several times here that things like forced child marriages and genital mutilation in other religions should be investigated.

And you want the Catholic church to be a protected species ?

 

[Knobby22]

The Catholic Church obviously deserves to be in trouble, but this witch hunt attacking the one guy who was doing something about it and saying he is lying is just wrong. He was just out of Uni, a wet behind the ears priest and he was fighting Archbishop Frank Little almost from the beginning.

There is more in the full article (worth a read) but the salient point I will requote is:

Should we be surprised that these "merciful" bishops might have wanted to keep Big George, the bull in the china shop, out of the picture? And yet how much the dogs of outrage want to bay at the man who took steps to stop the abuse six years before the events in Boston highlighted in the film Spotlight.

 

[SirRumpole]

The Catholic Church obviously deserves to be in trouble, but this witch hunt attacking the one guy who was doing something about it and saying he is lying is just wrong. He was just out of Uni, a wet behind the ears priest and he was fighting Archbishop Frank Little almost from the beginning.

There is more in the full article (worth a read) but the salient point I will requote is:

Should we be surprised that these "merciful" bishops might have wanted to keep Big George, the bull in the china shop, out of the picture? And yet how much the dogs of outrage want to bay at the man who took steps to stop the abuse six years before the events in Boston highlighted in the film Spotlight.

Knobby, the thing is that anyone with an ounce of compassion towards children would, even if he heard only rumours, try to do something about it.

His own words "wasn't much interested" condemns him as much as any of the victims evidence.

 

[Tisme]

Knobby, the thing is that anyone with an ounce of compassion towards children would, even if he heard only rumours, try to do something about it.

His own words "wasn't much interested" condemns him as much as any of the victims evidence.

I can only keep reminding everyone that it was common knowledge that Catholic Priests were suspects way before any of us were born. And any parent, brother, sister, family friend etc who turned a blind eye to an incident instead of going straight to the police showed a total lack of care and were complicit in the ongoing abuse through the centuries and decades.

I think the "It’s a sad story and it wasn’t of much interest to me,” comment was a mangled response that the press were most happy to parade. I must admit it flumoxed me when I watched it live, but there was no way Pell was going to skewer himself so I put it down to fluster.

 

[McLovin]

Knobby, the thing is that anyone with an ounce of compassion towards children would, even if he heard only rumours, try to do something about it.

His own words "wasn't much interested" condemns him as much as any of the victims evidence.

This was the most telling quote and, imo, sums up the entire Catholic Church.

Cardinal Pell also said the instinct was to protect the church in response to allegations.

"At that stage, the instinct was more to protect the institution, the community of the church, from shame," he said.

So by his own admission in the first instance the façade of the Church was to be maintained. Bringing to justice those who had committed those awful crimes against children was secondary.

 

[noco]

I've said several times here that things like forced child marriages and genital mutilation in other religions should be investigated.

And you want the Catholic church to be a protected species ?

Excuse me !!!!!!...where did I ever say I want the Catholic Church to be a protected species?......I am not a Catholic and I really don't care about them.......I will say it again, this Royal Commission is all about destroying the Catholic Church in favor of prompting followers to leave and follow Socialism which is atheism.
Stop making up stories to protect the modus operandi of your beloved Labor Party..

So I ask you again, why hasn't this hand picked Labor Royal Commission started investigating the Islamic movement and the Aboriginal Communities?

I am sure you know why......It is so pointed.

 

[Value Collector]

I will say it again, this Royal Commission is all about destroying the Catholic Church in favor of prompting followers to leave and follow Socialism which is atheism.

:iamwithst

"socialism is atheism" what are talking about, you sound like a conspiracy nutter.

 

[SirRumpole]

Excuse me !!!!!!...where did I ever say I want the Catholic Church to be a protected species?......I am not a Catholic and I really don't care about them.......I will say it again, this Royal Commission is all about destroying the Catholic Church in favor of prompting followers to leave and follow Socialism which is atheism.
Stop making up stories to protect the modus operandi of your beloved Labor Party..

So I ask you again, why hasn't this hand picked Labor Royal Commission started investigating the Islamic movement and the Aboriginal Communities?

I am sure you know why......It is so pointed.

The TRUC was designed to turn people off joining a union and make them more vulnerable to the whims of the employers. That's blatantly political.

As for the CARC , there are a lot of Catholics in the Labor Party too. Your Fabian conspiracy theories are getting worn around the edges.

 

[SirRumpole]

:iamwithst

"socialism is atheism" what are talking about, you sound like a conspiracy nutter.

You only just realised that ?

 

[Tisme]

Bill Shorten, Barnaby Joyce, Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey & Christopher Pyne, they are not only Catholic boys, but Jesuit-educated too.

Remember history lessons and the unofficial Catholic- ALP coalition before the DLP dumped on its masters? Joseph Lyons was Catholic too.

It's all a Labor plot to wipe out the Catholics, and if Menzies had his way they (Catholics) would never have been allowed to get their hands on his Liberal Party, either.

 

[basilio]

I am amazed at how many different versions of reality people are proposing with regard to Cardinal Pells evidence and the role of the Royal Commission into Institutional Response to Child Sex abuse.

It reminds of the Japanese movie "Rashamon" (which was later remade in the US as "The Outrage" ) All the participants attempting to create the best look for themselves with what actually happened being totally at odds with any story.

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And by the way Noco . No matter how many times you repeat your garbage the Royal Commission had no remit to "investigate" the sexual abuse topics you have such a prurient interest in..

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-rashomon-1950
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Outrage_(1964_film)

 

[basilio]

Has anyone else on this forum read the Commission findings into the "Melbourne Response" ? It details some of the worst cases of abuse committed on children and the response of Archbishop Pell to the parents. The case of Emma and Katie Foster starts on page 19 of the report. Have a read and a think. This is the independent observers view.

https://www.childabuseroyalcommissi...-a392-5d8bc7d3e77c/Report-of-Case-Study-No-16

 

[noco]

The TRUC was designed to turn people off joining a union and make them more vulnerable to the whims of the employers. That's blatantly political.

As for the CARC , there are a lot of Catholics in the Labor Party too. Your Fabian conspiracy theories are getting worn around the edges.

I was reprimanded by the ASF moderators and the lefties for accusing Islam regarding infiltration into the Western World 5 or 6 years ago but it has been proven how right my predictions were and I will prove how right I am about the influence the Fabian Society has on the Greens and the Labor Party.

I am still waiting for you to tell me when this Labor stacked RC into institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse will look into Islam and Aboriginals......Are you trying to tell me the RC has not received any Muslim or Aboriginal submissions or complaints?.......Or just maybe they have and are suppressing them for very good reasons only known to themselves.

 

[basilio]

I am still waiting for you to tell me when this Labor stacked RC into institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse will look into Islam and Aboriginals......Are you trying to tell me the RC has not received any Muslim or Aboriginal submissions or complaints?.......Or just maybe they have and are suppressing them for very good reasons only known to themselves.

Or maybe you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and simply create conspiracy theories out of thin air to defend your hatred of Islam and Aboriginals ?

You have been told numerous times what the remit of the Commission is. You just aren't interested in any reality except your own fantasies.
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I can see a place for a conversation about sexual practices in various communities. This thread and the discussion around the Royal Commission is not it.

 

[SirRumpole]

I say farce because it didn't amount to a "hill of beans" except as you say bring to light the players ... as knobby22's post indicates it has probably had zip effect on the true believers and the non believers.

It seems to me that Royal Commissions are merely a vehicle to slur and play word games, worst still as seen with the Union commission, political witchhunts.

If there has been criminal behaviour the monies should be poured into police investigations and convictions IMO.

The "hill of beans" may be the findings of the Commission.

If they recommend charges against people who haven't currently been charged then that's a result.

 

[noco]

Or maybe you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and simply create conspiracy theories out of thin air to defend your hatred of Islam and Aboriginals ?

You have been told numerous times what the remit of the Commission is. You just aren't interested in any reality except your own fantasies.
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I can see a place for a conversation about sexual practices in various communities. This thread and the discussion around the Royal Commission is not it.

Firstly, where have I expressed my hatred for Islam and Aboriginals?....I think you are getting carried away with your fantasies and have become obsessed with your own righteousness....You appear to be the judge and jury...I know exactly what I am talking about and perhaps more than you do....I have certainly lived longer than you and have and have observed this practice over many years.

Secondly, you appear to be full of exaggeration about me being told numerous times about the terms of reference to this RC......I have read the terms of reference and I have noted submissions have been received from 29 organizations including sporting and religious groups......According to the loaded left wing hand picked members of the commissions, there have been no such submissions made by any Muslims of female mutilation, underage marriage of young girls who are not even in their teens or sexual abuse by Aboriginals.......There has been numerous reports in this area so where are they?.....One can only presume those submissions are being suppressed and I will continue to believe that is the case until I see some evidence otherwise.

 

[SirRumpole]

One can only presume those submissions are being suppressed and I will continue to believe that is the case until I see some evidence otherwise.

You have to prove there have been submissions first.

But I think that if there have not been any it could well be due to victim's fear of retribution by the "clan".

So there may well be an issue but it's off the beam to say that it's being ignored by the Commission without any evidence of submissions received.

 

[noco]

You have to prove there have been submissions first.

But I think that if there have not been any it could well be due to victim's fear of retribution by the "clan".

So there may well be an issue but it's off the beam to say that it's being ignored by the Commission without any evidence of submissions received.

That is a very convenient answer but the suspicions remain of malpractice by the Labor Party when it comes to such hearings....It is like letting the fox look after the chickens.......The Fabian motto......"A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING".