Resisting Climate Hysteria

wayneL said:

Everything, and I mean everything the alarmists claim turns out to be wrong, including about cow farts.

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I could have told you that 20y ago....
Next they will discover that beef meat fors nit need that much water as they will soon realise that cattle piss what they drink....

qldfrog said:

I could have told you that 20y ago....
Next they will discover that beef meat fors nit need that much water as they will soon realise that cattle piss what they drink....

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Does not need that much water

nother example of just how little we know about climate and whether, despite the "science is settled" meme.
The Atlantic Ocean is cooling at a ridiculously high rate, and no one seems to know why.
Trying to find a climate model that predicted this , but really struggling.
However, I had little difficulty in finding a lot that suggested that our oceans would boiling.

From MSN News and New Scientist

The Atlantic Ocean is cooling at an exponential rate, and nobody is sure why. It's been more than a year of record-high global sea temperatures, including being close to the collapse of the AMOC. Despite those troubles, though, the Atlantic is now experiencing something quite baffling-temperatures are cooling, and scientists are scrambling to figure out what's going on.

The ocean typically changes temperature throughout the year. However, this year, scientists say that the emerging "Atlantic Niña" has happened a lot quicker than in the past. The new pattern also appears to be coming ahead of the expected transition to a much cooler La Niña in the Pacific Ocean. While the cooling temperatures are very welcome, they may also cause some different weather effects around the world.
The change in the Atlantic's cooling rate brings an end to the 15-month streak of record-high ocean temperatures. And with El Niño fading away in May and La Niña set to kick off and develop between September and November, the colder waters will be driven up by stronger winds coming in from along the equator.

It is the potential of two La Niñas that has scientists so intrigued about what the climate and ocean temperatures will look like for the rest of the year, especially since the record-high temperatures have gone on for so long. There's also a lot of unpredictability here that has left scientists scrambling, too, and while a La Niña in the Atlantic isn't wholly unexpected, scientists don't seem to have been expecting it this year.

And with the Atlantic's cooling rate already speeding up and the Pacific set to start cooling off in the next couple of months, we're likely going to end up with a bit of a "tug of war" between the two oceans as they fight to cool themselves off, scientists say.

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Mick

mullokintyre said:

nother example of just how little we know about climate and whether, despite the "science is settled" meme.
The Atlantic Ocean is cooling at a ridiculously high rate, and no one seems to know why.
Trying to find a climate model that predicted this , but really struggling.
However, I had little difficulty in finding a lot that suggested that our oceans would boiling.

From MSN News and New Scientist

Mick

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The science was determined some 200 years ago and the effects of rising CO2 levels were of such concern to some scientists that they decided to measure it over 65 years ago.

As to the "cooling" mentioned, this is a well known cyclical event, and relates to surface temperatures affected by prevailing winds.

The problem with sensationalised out of context reports is that they do not reflect the overwhelming long term trend:

Hope you are keeping well Rob

I've been providing anecdotal evidence regarding the health of the GBR and other reef systems due to catastrophic global warming for some time.

My main point has been that the GBR is actually in great health and that the temperature of the water is not the sole factor, or maybe not a factor, in killing the reef.

My anecdotal evidence was that the water along the equator is around 30 degrees and the GBR varies from 26 to 28 degrees south to north. This is all logged in my dive computer. The corals in the 30 degree water are better than the 26 degree water. It may be adaption over time, but the simple fact is that corals thrive in warmer water.

The GBR currently has the best coral cover in recorded history.

We've been told that global boiling was going to negatively affect food production and we will all die from no more crops.

I did a google, and yes, all the top hits say we're going to starve to death because of increased temperatures.

But, the data doesn't say that.

Maybe there's a 'tipping point' somewhere down the track when no more crops is going to happen?

Sean K said:

We've been told that global boiling was going to negatively affect food production and we will all die from no more crops.

I did a google, and yes, all the top hits say we're going to starve to death because of increased temperatures.

But, the data doesn't say that.

Maybe there's a 'tipping point' somewhere down the track when no more crops is going to happen?

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Maybe ? Maybe the (rapidly) increasing temperatures global temperatures will inevitably affect food production ?
I think that increasing temperatures beyond the capacity of organisms to survive is a certainty to kill them off. Every crop ? Nuh. All the time . Nuh. But certainly enough to create massive stress on world food supplies.

The example of what is happening in Greece as a result of global heating is probably the most sober way of recognising the issue.

Can anyone find a catastrophic global warming prediction that has come true?

There's been a multitude of 'tipping points' called, but they've all failed dismally.

Reality:
Record crop yields.
Lots of snow.
Dams full.
Islands growing in size.
Less fires than 100 years ago.
Fewer cyclones and hurricanes.
Ice caps still there.

Wolf!

Sean K said:

Can anyone find a catastrophic global warming prediction that has come true?

There's been a multitude of 'tipping points' called, but they've all failed dismally.

Reality:
Record crop yields.
Lots of snow.
Dams full.
Islands growing in size.
Less fires than 100 years ago.
Fewer cyclones and hurricanes.
Ice caps still there.

Wolf!


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They were crackpots.
The official science isn't so outlandish.
I just look at the winegrowers. There money is on the line. And anything that effects wine quality is an absolute disaster in my view!

Sean K said:

Can anyone find a catastrophic global warming prediction that has come true?

There's been a multitude of 'tipping points' called, but they've all failed dismally.

Reality:
Record crop yields.
Lots of snow.
Dams full.
Islands growing in size.
Less fires than 100 years ago.
Fewer cyclones and hurricanes.
Ice caps still there.

Wolf!


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Indeed. You like your little piccies don't you Sean ?

The reality of our climate is that predictions for global temperatures and consequential impact on the environment are moving quickly along thank you very much. In fact they have picked up speed in the past decade and as we know the last 12 months have seen spectacular increases in temperature around the world.

Knobby22 said:

They were crackpots.
The official science isn't so outlandish.

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Nail.On.Head

I checked out the Carbon Brief website which I had quoted previously whne highlighting the accelerating increase in global temperatures.

Many excellent articles and analysis there. I have linked to just a few.

Knobby22 said:

They were crackpots.
The official science isn't so outlandish.
I just look at the winegrowers. There money is on the line. And anything that effects wine quality is an absolute disaster in my view!

Wine and the climate crisis: Where are we now and what happens next?

Chris Losh speaks to winemakers around the world to get the latest news on how climate change is affecting the wine industry.

worldoffinewine.com

Wineries Move To Cooler Climates To Adapt To Climate Change

The wine industry is taking action to protect itself amid rising temperatures and more dramatic weather variations caused by climate change.

www.manufacturing.net

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Some of the stuff King Charles and Al Gore came out with is laughable. But it was based on science, right?

Agree on the wine issues. Apparently they have to pick a little earlier than normal and Tassie might be able to grow Shiraz soon. Catastrophic. Wine seems to be of better quality actually. Not sure if that's technology or a warmer growing season. Maybe Greenland will be able to grow grapes again soon.

Knobby22 said:

They were crackpots.
The official science isn't so outlandish.

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Agreed and on all these issues it's important to differentiate legitimate science from politics or other non-science.

Noting the overwhelming majority of what the public hears on this subject is politics, it's not science, and that applies no matter which side of the political fence you're on. A somewhat popular sticker many years ago simply said "Greens tell lies" - indeed they do, and the party has told some outright whoppers over the years, but so do Labor, Liberal, Nationals, One Nation and so on and that's the bit people fail to accept. Most are happy to accept the idea that the other side tells lies, far fewer are willing to accept that the party they voted for does the same.

Politics is not science.

For a current weather example, Tasmania's being flooded in a big way and this brings up a point of some relevance.

Flow over Meadowbank Dam is running at about 720,000 litres per second at present and residents downstream have been directed to immediately evacuate.

Just one thing....

You'd be wrong if you thought the evacuation was due to concerns about the safety of the dam. Not at all, the dam's doing just fine for the simple reason that the original design did seek to calculate the maximum possible flood, quite a challenge given it was designed in the era of paper, pencils and slide rules, and was designed based on possible floods very much larger than the present one. Hence it's doing fine.

What's not doing fine is the idea of having humans living on relatively flat land beside the river downstream which unsurprisingly is somewhat flood prone.

So the danger isn't that the climate changed. Nor is the danger anything to do with the dam. Rather, the problem is humans living in a place that floods. There is of course a good reason for that - it's good land for farming during the 99.9%+ of the time it's not flooded.

So when considering news reports of humans suffering due to nature, it's important to separate what's what. What is actual climate change? And what's caused by humans doing something they knew, or should have known, would end badly at some point but was done anyway either because there's a benefit to doing so (eg farming as in this case) or due to just being silly.

The politics will, of course, be all over the situation in Tas saying it's all due to climate change. In truth well it could be so, but it's still well within the actually foreseen weather conditions used as the design basis for a dam that was completed in 1967. It's not an unexpected event, indeed it was actually foreseen.

Sean K said:

Some of the stuff King Charles and Al Gore came out with is laughable. But it was based on science, right?

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Based on science is a very different thing to actual science.

Anyone making noise with a piano or guitar could say what they're doing is based on music. Doesn't make it worth listening to however.

Sean K said:

We've been told that global boiling was going to negatively affect food production and we will all die from no more crops.

I did a google, and yes, all the top hits say we're going to starve to death because of increased temperatures.

But, the data doesn't say that.

Maybe there's a 'tipping point' somewhere down the track when no more crops is going to happen?

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The increasing yields are due to vastly improve technology at least in grains asume the same in other crops fertilizers and soil quality will become an issue some time in the future.

Pesticides and weedicides likely to be a problem as well over time.

Areas that were marginal now do quite well.

And yes there will be a tipping point if the current rising temperature trend continues, would suggest King Charles III / politicians or Goggle may not be the best references for guidance concerning science unless you are doing the windup.

rederob said:

The science was determined some 200 years ago and the effects of rising CO2 levels were of such concern to some scientists that they decided to measure it over 65 years ago.
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As to the "cooling" mentioned, this is a well known cyclical event, and relates to surface temperatures affected by prevailing winds.
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The problem with sensationalised out of context reports is that they do not reflect the overwhelming long term trend:
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Nice to see you back. Thought you might have fallen off the perch.

Sean K said:

The GBR currently has the best coral cover in recorded history.

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Your claim is contradicted by the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority who do not rely on anecdote, and note a first time ever event, below:

rederob said:

Your claim is contradicted by the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority who do not rely on anecdote, and note a first time ever event, below:

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Thanks Rob. Will keep an eye on what this years condition report determines.