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Smurf1976 said:
Not putting myself on a pedestal but I'm sitting at home right now in the spare bedroom used as a home office.

The desk was bought second hand. Not sure exactly how old but if I said circa 1980 that would be about right. Steel frame with fake wood veneer look that was common 1970's and 80's.

Now that's one desk but point is if we all stopped replacing things for the sake of it then there'd be an incredible saving of resources and energy.

About a year ago I went to buy some bricks. Only needed a small quantity, I turned up with a car not a truck, and was thinking this would be dead easy. Given the incredible number of 1960's houses that are knocked down around here, and the bricks I wanted seem to have been an extremely popular colour back then since they're pretty much everywhere around Adelaide, I figured a salvage yard would have heaps and getting some would be dead easy. Not so..... As they told me, when houses are demolished everything still there at the time goes straight to landfill so the salvage business is more about things of higher value that the owners took out and brought in first or that came out during renovations. So old shower screens or chandeliers yes, bricks no.

So we're demolishing perfectly good houses literally on a daily basis but it's nigh on impossible to get hold of the bulk materials even if you're willing to pay. All straight to the dump, the whole lot.

I did eventually get a few bricks, but wow.

There's an awful lot of waste in society. :2twocents
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@Smurf1976 Well here in the Swan Valley is an excellent salvage yard, many acres of all and everything.
Bricks by the million.
When we needed to replace the brick wall around the back of our house, demolished by the January tornado, this was my first phone call, bricks, tonnage available.
Couldn't match the ones we had but found 4000 brand new ones which was a discontinued line, and sort of matched what we had, and have blended in very well with the existing house bricks, still strapped in bundles of 254 and on pallets.
Asking price $1 a brick.
The same brick from the brickyard $2.60 plus delivery.
Used my own truck to transport. easy as.
 
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Smurf1976 said:
Not putting myself on a pedestal but I'm sitting at home right now in the spare bedroom used as a home office.

The desk was bought second hand. Not sure exactly how old but if I said circa 1980 that would be about right. Steel frame with fake wood veneer look that was common 1970's and 80's.

Now that's one desk but point is if we all stopped replacing things for the sake of it then there'd be an incredible saving of resources and energy.

About a year ago I went to buy some bricks. Only needed a small quantity, I turned up with a car not a truck, and was thinking this would be dead easy. Given the incredible number of 1960's houses that are knocked down around here, and the bricks I wanted seem to have been an extremely popular colour back then since they're pretty much everywhere around Adelaide, I figured a salvage yard would have heaps and getting some would be dead easy. Not so..... As they told me, when houses are demolished everything still there at the time goes straight to landfill so the salvage business is more about things of higher value that the owners took out and brought in first or that came out during renovations. So old shower screens or chandeliers yes, bricks no.

So we're demolishing perfectly good houses literally on a daily basis but it's nigh on impossible to get hold of the bulk materials even if you're willing to pay. All straight to the dump, the whole lot.

I did eventually get a few bricks, but wow.

There's an awful lot of waste in society. :2twocents
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That is so true, I'm on the council of owners of the group of units we are in.
I noticed there is no spare tiles and the units are 34 years old, I eventually hunted down 20 up at Bullsbrook in a salvage yard, I bought them and they are in my garage.
So it is a good heads up for people surf, things do become obsolete and it is awkward to find alternatives sometimes.
 
sptrawler said:
That is so true, I'm on the council of owners of the group of units we are in.
I noticed there is no spare tiles and the units are 34 years old, I eventually hunted down 20 up at Bullsbrook in a salvage yard, I bought them and they are in my garage.
So it is a good heads up for people surf, things do become obsolete and it is awkward to find alternatives sometimes.
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@sptrawler I am assuming we are both warbling on about the same salvage yard.
A treasure trove of a place with everything imaginable tucked in there and everywhere.
 
farmerge said:
@sptrawler I am assuming we are both warbling on about the same salvage yard.
A treasure trove of a place with everything imaginable tucked in there and everywhere.
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Yes weird place, just north of the roundaboit, had to come from Mandurah to get them.
They were the only place that had any at all, the tile had a fault in the design that caused corners to break when removed or replaced, so they were a short run then Monier discontinued them back in the late 80's.
A bot off topic but a good heads up for members to keep in mind.
 
Back in 2007, the BBC made the following prediction.
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Here is a chart of the arctic sea ice.
It may have been published somewhere , but I have not been able to find a retraction from the BBC for an obviously wrong prediction.
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Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
Back in 2007, the BBC made the following prediction.
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Here is a chart of the arctic sea ice.
It may have been published somewhere , but I have not been able to find a retraction from the BBC for an obviously wrong prediction.
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Mick
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And Sydney has a desalination plant, because the dams would never be full again, yet the hysteria constantly say, it is a precise science.

Which history constantly proves, it isn't.

IMO there is no doubt the climate is changing and also IMO if we can reduce emissions due to technology we should do it, as it is common sense.

The Earth is surrounded by an oxygen envelope, we need that to be as clean as possible, to survive.

But to be crying wolf on any excuse, just to feel significant, undermines the integrity of the the issue IMO.

It is an issue, it does need to be addressed, it doesn't need hysteria, much the same as the power system on the East Coast.

All that the hysteria does is feed the politics, which make it a vote chasing issue, rather that a social issue that affects everyone.

Funnily enough, a lot of this politicising is proving to be counter productive for politicians IMO.
 
sptrawler said:
And Sydney has a desalination plant, because the dams would never be full again, yet the hysteria constantly say, it is a precise science.

Which history constantly proves, it isn't.

IMO there is no doubt the climate is changing and also IMO if we can reduce emissions due to technology we should do it, as it is common sense.

The Earth is surrounded by an oxygen envelope, we need that to be as clean as possible, to survive.

But to be crying wolf on any excuse, just to feel significant, undermines the integrity of the the issue IMO.

It is an issue, it does need to be addressed, it doesn't need hysteria, much the same as the power system on the East Coast.

All that the hysteria does is feed the politics, which make it a vote chasing issue, rather that a social issue that affects everyone.

Funnily enough, a lot of this politicising is proving to be counter productive for politicians IMO.
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Crying wolf is going to be part of the reason for a tide change in acceptance of billions of public money flooding into unreliable energy.
 
Sean K said:
Crying wolf is going to be part of the reason for a tide change in acceptance of billions of public money flooding into unreliable energy.
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On SP decel pant observation he forgot WA has two and building a 3rd without them we wouldn't have any water crying wolf try this

Streamflow for WA below but you already know this.

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IFocus said:
On SP decel pant observation he forgot WA has two and building a 3rd without them we wouldn't have any water crying wolf try this

Streamflow for WA below but you already know this.

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Yes W.A does need even more, I was pointing out that the desal plant in Sydney, was built on the fear that the dams THERE would not be able to be filled.
it would be nice if you played nice and didn't warp the narrative, in order to deride people, I have actually stated many years ago why in fact the the desal plants in perth were more viable than the Ord pipeline.
You do hang onto this trait of bending the truth to fit your narrative, otherwise it would be great to debate with you. 🤣
 
Sean K said:
No, didn't know this. Reference?
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On another interesting note (at least it was for me) the sea level at Perth has actually risen higher than other areas (albeit small) because we have pumped the groundwater supplies so hard as it hasn't replenished.
 
IFocus said:
On SP decel pant observation he forgot WA has two and building a 3rd without them we wouldn't have any water crying wolf try this

Streamflow for WA below but you already know this.

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There's a known drying trend in SW WA that's no secret and has been subject to considerable research.

There was never a scientifically based reason to claim the same was happening in Sydney however, that's the point there. Reasons based on politics and so on yes but not science.

That's the trouble with all this. There's real science and real reason to be concerned about some things but various others have jumped on the bandwagon for reasons of being a convenient means to achieve some other objective. :2twocents
 
sptrawler said:
Yes W.A does need even more, I was pointing out that the desal plant in Sydney, was built on the fear that the dams THERE would not be able to be filled.
it would be nice if you played nice and didn't warp the narrative, in order to deride people, I have actually stated many years ago why in fact the the desal plants in perth were more viable than the Ord pipeline.
You do hang onto this trait of bending the truth to fit your narrative, otherwise it would be great to debate with you. 🤣
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It was this that got my attention "precise science." climate science is anything but precise and given that it's extremely variable across the globe, the reasons for Sydney's dams being full or overflowing is actually in part due to climate change as you don't follow surfing forecasting I'll let you off for that one :)
 

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