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Resisting Climate Hysteria

Imagine the engineering requirements to sort of do that...
Perhaps not the most doable idea ? Most times we just get the hell out of the way of cyclones !!


I reckon we can do it. And it would be like a brake sapping energy from a flywheel or transferring energy from one lightweight flywheel to another more compact high inertia unit
 
When did we start disputing the effect of burning fossil fuels ? The science on what happens when we release millions more tons of CO2 into the atmosphere was understood and accepted many years ago. At that stage it was a largely theoretical situation because the world hadn't yet jumped an extra degree. That was to come.

But have a read of this story to get a picture of what we knew and still know to be true - even if inconvenient.
Donald Trump's anti-climate plans won't fool nature
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Back in 1983, well before the fossil fuel industry realised it had a climate problem, the physics and chemical impacts of burning coal, oil and gas were uncontroversial.

As US President Donald Trump unveils his plans to roll back his predecessor Barack Obama's climate change policies and end his "war on coal", it's worth a reminder the basic science has been settled for decades no matter what politicians do.

The Earth had an "effective temperature" that was a balance of solar radiation it received and what it radiated back to space, I learnt as a Harvard freshman in my Science A-30 atmosphere course.

Our atmosphere was "an insulating blanket" keeping the planet's surface at about 298 degrees Kelvin (25 degrees) compared with space's 3 degrees K, according to class notes I found while sorting some old boxes.

Alter the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere - back then it was rising at 1.2 parts per million a year or less than half the present rate - and you would warm it up.

Other consequences included melting tundra that would release the more potent greenhouse gas, methane, while oceans would become more acidic as they absorbed more carbon from the air.

'Exceedingly bad'
Among my notes was a 1983 paper by the US National Research Council that argued global warming impacts from burning fossil fuels on poorer nations "could be exceedingly bad news".

The paper warned of "claims for compensation as a matter of right may emerge" from affected populations, requiring "welfare aid".

Those lecture notes were unremarkable - if alarming - decades ago.

Since then, politicians in nations such as the US and Australia - often at the bidding of fossil industry donors and certain media outlets - have seeded sufficient voter doubt to stymie the introduction of consistent policies needed to curb carbon emissions.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/env...e-plans-wont-fool-nature-20170328-gv8lur.html
 

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"Even the rain that falls won't fill the dams.." -Tim Flannery.

April 2017 - WaterNSW dam levels:
All Dams - 96.3%
Warragamba Dam (largest) - 95.8%

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When did we start disputing the effect of burning fossil fuels ? The science on what happens when we release millions more tons of CO2 into the atmosphere was understood and accepted many years ago. At that stage it was a largely theoretical situation because the world hadn't yet jumped an extra degree. That was to come.

But have a read of this story to get a picture of what we knew and still know to be true - even if inconvenient.
Donald Trump's anti-climate plans won't fool nature
1406511163825.jpg

Back in 1983, well before the fossil fuel industry realised it had a climate problem, the physics and chemical impacts of burning coal, oil and gas were uncontroversial.

As US President Donald Trump unveils his plans to roll back his predecessor Barack Obama's climate change policies and end his "war on coal", it's worth a reminder the basic science has been settled for decades no matter what politicians do.

The Earth had an "effective temperature" that was a balance of solar radiation it received and what it radiated back to space, I learnt as a Harvard freshman in my Science A-30 atmosphere course.

Our atmosphere was "an insulating blanket" keeping the planet's surface at about 298 degrees Kelvin (25 degrees) compared with space's 3 degrees K, according to class notes I found while sorting some old boxes.

Alter the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere - back then it was rising at 1.2 parts per million a year or less than half the present rate - and you would warm it up.

Other consequences included melting tundra that would release the more potent greenhouse gas, methane, while oceans would become more acidic as they absorbed more carbon from the air.

'Exceedingly bad'
Among my notes was a 1983 paper by the US National Research Council that argued global warming impacts from burning fossil fuels on poorer nations "could be exceedingly bad news".

The paper warned of "claims for compensation as a matter of right may emerge" from affected populations, requiring "welfare aid".

Those lecture notes were unremarkable - if alarming - decades ago.

Since then, politicians in nations such as the US and Australia - often at the bidding of fossil industry donors and certain media outlets - have seeded sufficient voter doubt to stymie the introduction of consistent policies needed to curb carbon emissions.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/env...e-plans-wont-fool-nature-20170328-gv8lur.html

Well, it not take a lot research to find out Peter Hannam is the great pretender with false information.......He is most likely a good little Greenie who knows how to deceive the naïve.

http://notrickszone.com/2015/02/23/...assively-doctored-photo/#sthash.r8oOSbj0.dpbs
 

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Well, it not take a lot research to find out Peter Hannam is the great pretender with false information.......He is most likely a good little Greenie who knows how to deceive the naïve.

http://notrickszone.com/2015/02/23/...assively-doctored-photo/#sthash.r8oOSbj0.dpbs
Yes, part of the dumb left. Stuff like that which is really propaganda feeds into the propaganda of the opposing forces. I would think Hannan never even thought this photo would be attached to his article and it was some work experience student that was asked by a sub editor to produce this rubbish.

His article is fair though, the physics of burning fossil fuels is uncontroversial. The Radio National science show reported on greenhouse warming back in the 1960s in their first program (heard it on their 50th anniversary last year). When you listen to the studious tones of the physicists back then you wonder why everyone sounds so shrill now. They just expected to be believed. In this age a scientist can be expected to be disbelieved.
 
The moral poseurs will doubtless devise a new 'Sun Tax' Noco. They want to tax the air we breathe, so why not the sunlight!

Warming, cooling - tax collection and wealth re-distribution seem to be the constants.
 
One Tim Flannery doth not a climate change argument maketh.
I'm all for hyperbole to win a an argument, but that chestnut is a pretty much over hyped and denial arguments deliberately pernicious. It also lacks a time stamp from both camps IMO.

he actually said:

SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer?

PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.

The question really is have any deniers actually conferred with the farmers to find out if he's on track and what a reasonable time frame is when the framer's dams don't fill and their river streams don't fill as a normal event either?

Dams are not just state owned mega structures, most are on farming properties for irrigation, cattle, sheep, etc.
 
Nice work Tisme. I'm sure the actual words and context of Tim Flannerys original comment have been highlighted a number of times. But of course it is overlooked and completely ignored. Still doesn't stop the shrillness of deniers twisting a fairly obvious observation on the effects of global warming into a caricature - and then repeating and distorting it ad infinitum.
 
Nice work Tisme. I'm sure the actual words and context of Tim Flannerys original comment have been highlighted a number of times. But of course it is overlooked and completely ignored. Still doesn't stop the shrillness of deniers twisting a fairly obvious observation on the effects of global warming into a caricature - and then repeating and distorting it ad infinitum.

Who in their right mind would believe anything Flannery says with his history of dud predictions.......I ma surprised he still shows his face.
 
Who in their right mind would believe anything Flannery says with his history of dud predictions.......I ma surprised he still shows his face.
Who in their right mind would listen to anything Noco says when he repeatedly misrepresents what anynme else actually says?

If after reading the transcript of the original comment you can't see that Tim Flannery has been misrepresented there is no point listening to ya.
 
Who in their right mind would listen to anything Noco says when he repeatedly misrepresents what anynme else actually says?

If after reading the transcript of the original comment you can't see that Tim Flannery has been misrepresented there is no point listening to ya.

You are obviously blind in one eye and cannot see out the other......You are at it again with your character assassination so you only have one resort left in your rhetoric.....Play ball and not the man basilio....Your modus operandi stands out like country thunder box in the back yard.
 
The curious thing is the copious posting of politically charged Guardian articles, somehow argues against the politicization of climate science.

Bas can call people name all he likes, but in the end there is the truth, and there it is.

By the way bas, can you please detail your main sources of income?
 
The curious thing is the copious posting of politically charged Guardian articles, somehow argues against the politicization of climate science.

Bas can call people name all he likes, but in the end there is the truth, and there it is.

By the way bas, can you please detail your main sources of income?

Wayne, the left are past masters at their ridiculous name calling in the hope they can drive the likes of you and I off the ASF so they dominate with their false and misleading posts.

I wonder when they will wake to the fact that it is not working.....Although I notice recently that some have and I admire them for it.
 
"And SuperWayne burst his chains with one mighty leap taking his pal Noco by his side"

You don't touch base with reality much these days do you boys ? You just serve up the same non sequiturs that disregard what is actually happening to the world we live in as a result of human created global warming.
Wayne catch cry is " the politicization of climate science." Somehow when all the meteorologists around the world record steeply increasing temperatures in the last 3 years on top of previous increases in the past 40 years that's "politicization of climate science".

When the inevitable social consequences of such changes in our climate are discussed by senior white house defence personnel that is just "the politicization of climate science."

When glaciologists document how rapidly ice shelfs, and glaciers are collapsing and the consequences of these events the same catchcry "the politicization of climate science."

When earth scientists note the rapid melting of frozen arctic areas in Siberia and Canada and the release of millions of tons of methane - again "the politicization of climate science."

Seems to just be a convoluted way of say "I don't believe any of that xhit is happening
 
The consequences of global warming.

The Antarctic ice shelves and glaciers are melting at accelerated rates. None of this was imaginable 20-30 years ago.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/antarctic-melting-161027111059714.html

The Antarctic melt revealed: Dramatic Nasa images claim to show staggering loss of ice at the south pole
  • For the past eight years, Nasa's Operation IceBridge has been recording how polar ice is changing
  • In 2014 IceBridge data revealed the ice loss at the south pole might have reached irreversible levels
  • This year's Antarctic Campaign, a series of 12-hour flights around the West Antarctic, began on 19 October
  • Now, just over two weeks into its eighth Antarctic Campaign, Nasa has released a series of draimages

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...gering-loss-ice-south-pole.html#ixzz4dMpsUvk9
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The consequences of Global Warming.

In the Northern Hemisphere the rapid increase in temperatures is causing millions of square klms of permafrost to melt. The amount of stored methane and CO2 in the permafrost is almost double the current CO2 in the atmosphere.

Release of Carbon from Melting Permafrost Could Trigger Rapid Warming
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A study published last week in Nature Geoscience provides the first measurements of greenhouse gases from permafrost under Arctic lakes in Alaska, Siberia, and Canada. Although the research reveals that only a small amount of old carbon has been released in the past 60 years, it also suggests that much more could be released as the Arctic warms up faster than any other place on Earth.

“It’s a lit fuse, but the length of that fuse is very long,” said lead author Katey Walter Anthony of the University of Alaska. “According to the model projections, we’re getting ready for the part where it starts to explode. But it hasn’t happened yet.”

The scientists determined that the permafrost-carbon feedback is thus far small by looking at aerial photographs and using radiocarbon dating to determine the age of methane emitted from the Arctic lakes that are expanding to consume and thaw terrestrial permafrost. As that permafrost melts and decomposes, it releases ancient carbon as carbon dioxide and methane. Analysis of 113 radiocarbon dating measurements and 289 soil organic carbon measurements showed that approximately 0.2 to 2.5 petagrams of permafrost carbon was released as methane and carbon dioxide in the past six decades.

The billions of tons of carbon stored in permafrost are approximately double the amount currently in the atmosphere. Many researchers are concerned that emission of that stored carbon will contribute to warming that then contributes to permafrost thawing in an accelerating feedback loop.

http://voices.nationalgeographic.co...lting-permafrost-could-trigger-rapid-warming/
 

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