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Resisting Climate Hysteria

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Jorgensen said:
Are you going to try to make intelligent comments.Why do you always denigrate others?
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It's because Noco is completely incapable of constructing an intelligent rebuttal of the evidence around human produced climate change.

End of story. Full stop.
 
wayneL said:
Are you referring to the rapidity of retrospective adjustments?
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Is this your new word for climate change denial Wayne ? That somehow the last three years of climate shattering records never actually happened ?

Of course ! My apologies for not including your good self with Drumph and Noco as blind eyed deniers. My error.
 
basilio said:
It's because Noco is completely incapable of constructing an intelligent rebuttal of the evidence around human produced climate change.

End of story. Full stop.
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...and how's your scoresheet Mr AdHom?
 
Thanks, I was feeling left out there Mr C Little. Of course if you'd like to elevate yourself from kindergarten level insult... we could go Aussie bogan colloquial... or even Shakespearean if you like?
 
wayneL said:
Thanks, I was feeling left out there Mr C Little. Of course if you'd like to elevate yourself from kindergarten level insult... we could go Aussie bogan colloquial... or even Shakespearean if you like?
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How could we leave you out Wayne ? You go to the absolute top of the charts in CC denial. It's totally obvious that when the core of your (current) rebuttal of CC is saying that all the world scientists have systematically rigged the temperature charts in the last 3- to whatever years to create "global warming" - Well that's indisputably the most heroic defence of the indefensible yet seen in the conversation.

But I'm sure you won't rest on your laurels.
 
What are the real scientists and meteorologists saying about the relentless record breaking temperatures around the world ?

Record-breaking climate change pushes world into ‘uncharted territory’
Earth is a planet in upheaval, say scientists, as the World Meteorological Organisation publishes analysis of recent heat highs and ice lows



A boat lies in the dry Cedro reservoir in Quixadá, Brazil. Climate change increases the risk of extreme weather events like drought. Photograph: Evaristo Sa/AFP/Getty Images


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Damian Carrington
Tuesday 21 March 2017 11.39 AEDT Last modified on Tuesday 21 March 2017 22.40 AEDT

The record-breaking heat that made 2016 the hottest year ever recorded has continued into 2017, pushing the world into “truly uncharted territory”, according to the World Meteorological Organisation.

The WMO’s assessment of the climate in 2016, published on Tuesday, reports unprecedented heat across the globe, exceptionally low ice at both poles and surging sea-level rise.

Global warming is largely being driven by emissions from human activities, but a strong El Niño – a natural climate cycle – added to the heat in 2016. The El Niño is now waning, but the extremes continue to be seen, with temperature records tumbling in the US in February and polar heatwaves pushing ice cover to new lows.

“Even without a strong El Niño in 2017, we are seeing other remarkable changes across the planet that are challenging the limits of our understanding of the climate system. We are now in truly uncharted territory,” said David Carlson, director of the WMO’s world climate research programme.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...king-climate-change-world-uncharted-territory
 

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Al Gore and his Hollywood friends! With his investment in green technologies pushing this Chinese hoax to make America less competitive with all the environmental regulation while they destroy their water ways, air, forests and fisheries to beat the US.

Anything but human activities.

the world burn about 100M barrels a day. Compare that some 5M barrel pd Saddam set aflame in Kuwait. That 5M cause enormous damage yet somehow the 100M bpd doesn't do anything because... because VW and GM engine burn more efficiently.

Imagine living in Colombia and in one night, the equivalent of 1/3 of the season's rainfall is dump on your city. Genghis Khan used to dam up a river to then flood cities to wipe out its inhabitants. The kind of damage that's being done make that act of war look like a fun day at Wet'n'Wild.

I better get out of fossil fuel man.
 

You see we heroes rely on the truth, with our superpowers, able see past Propaganda and soldier on in the face of the most appalling straw man argument known to mankind.

I knew there was a reason I ate all the bread crusts when I were a lad.
 
wayneL said:
You see we heroes rely on the truth, with our superpowers, able see past Propaganda and soldier on in the face of the most appalling straw man argument known to mankind.

I knew there was a reason I ate all the bread crusts when I were a lad.
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That is so special Wayne.. !! I think I heard something similar many years ago when I visiting a friend in Larundel. Still in the same head place i believe and still quite sure he has it all figured out.
 

All the world scientists...You mean the 75 UN a$$ lickers......Man oh man you really are getting carried away with yourself.

Are you trying to tell the ASF viewers there are only 75 Climate Change scientist in the world?
 
basilio said:
That is so special Wayne.. !! I think I heard something similar many years ago when I visiting a friend in Larundel. Still in the same head place i believe and still quite sure he has it all figured out.
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Ad Hom.

That's all you got Komrade. And you ain't even good at it.

Oh yeah, and a story that makes kiddies want to top themselves.

Feel good about yourself?
 
I have engaged in this discussion on this forum for nine years. I have been through the theoretical science, the practical observations, the long term history of climate change (millions of years ). I have explored conversations on the environmental and biological changes that demonstrate our climate is changing rapidly and the impact this is having around the world.

On various occasions I produced and developed arguments that showed purely on risk assessment analysis we need to address the risks associated with continuing our present directions. ( fossil fuel focused - high waste society).

When Wayne was incessantly banging on about improperly sited weather stations I proved how specious this argument actually was. Finally one CC sceptic decided to "do all the temperature figures again". Check out just what was being alleged by the mainstream Climate Scientists and prove once and for all "the truth" If I remember correctly he was funded by the Koch brothers.

Yep it was Richard Muller. A CC sceptic who went out and did the research to finally address the issue. His findings ?

"In an op-ed published in the New York Times on 28 July 2012, Muller announced further findings from the project. He said their analysis showed that average global land temperatures had increased by 2.5 °F (1.4 °C) in 250 years, with the increase in the last 50 years being 1.5 °F (0.8 °C), and it seemed likely that this increase was entirely due to human caused greenhouse gas emissions. His opening paragraph stated:

"Call me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I'm now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause." [13]

He said that their findings were stronger than those shown in the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report. Their analysis, set out in five scientific papers now being subjected to scrutiny by others, had used statistical methods which Robert Rohde had developed and had paid particular attention to overcoming issues that skeptics had questioned, including the urban heat island effect, poor station quality, data selection and data adjustment."

Since 2012 the rate of world wide temperature increase as a result of global warming has skyrocketed. In 2014,15 and 16 average world temperatures increased by .35C. To put that in perspective this is the steepest rate of increase ever recorded.

And yet.. Wayne dismisses these world wide metrological records as specious adjustments. Apparently all the meteorological societies in US, Europe, UK, Japan, Australia, Timbuktu are part of a world wide conspiracy to create a false picture of our climate. Yeah that makes sense doesn't it ?

He steadfastly refuses to acknowledge that we might even have a small problem let along an unfolding calamity. Noco just trots out irrelevant rubbish about socialists and Fabians under the bed. Not to forgot of course distorted comments about one statement made by Tim Flannery in 2006.

I stand by my disgust with your non arguments.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/ Global Temperature changes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth Summary of Berkley earths findings on CC
 
Basilio

For the millionth time.... actually no, just go back yourself and read my clearly stated position. You might enjoy the politicization of available data, I prefer to just look at the data via reasonable "honest broker" scientists such as Pielke and Curry.

If you wanna keep playing childish dumbsh!t with the ad hom and denier tag, I will just have to maintain my opinion of you, which in no universe could ever be considered favourable.

Interestingly, M. Mann used the same petulant, petty nonsense in his latest Senate hearing (or whatever it was) as you, so I suppose you are just emulating your role models. It is your stock in trade: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...se-testimony-climate-change-embarrassing-rude

Another example http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...lobal-warming-advocates?target=topic&tid=1916
 
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basilio said:
It's because Noco is completely incapable of constructing an intelligent rebuttal of the evidence around human produced climate change.

End of story. Full stop.
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I quoted you what happened in 1940 in the Arctic with a link whereby the a ship named the St.Roche sailed through the Arctic and return......It has also happened back in 1840...... You find it hard to believe and accept in factual information because it counters your claims where you Greenies are trying to make out that the current melt is caused by MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING from coal fired power stations.

The current event of ice melt in the Arctic has been going on for 4 years....You could not say that is rapid......your argument does not hold water......

When you find you have been beaten, you them resort to the nasty character assassination...A well known trait by the Socialist left.......Silence you opponents by nasty innuendos....You and plod are both tarred with the one brush by making stupid statements that I do not conduct a sensible argument....I have have quoted you lots of true facts that have happened in the past all of which you turn a blind eye to.

Start showing decency in you if you have any left.
 
Imagine if we could install wind and water flow generators with storage to harness cyclone power.
 
Your clearly stated position Wayne is that whatever gentle wafts of CC are happening aren't that serious...and anyway the only people you take seriously happen to contradict the entire meteorological community.

As for actually looking at the effects of this global warming - record temperatures in the Arctic, rapid melting of ice shelfs, ice caps, widespread bleaching of coral reefs as oceans temperatures rise, collapse of ecosystems ?

Nah too hard isn't it ? Might scare the kiddies ? Far easier to put more lipstick on the pigs and pretend it's just "politicization of data"
 
Tisme said:
Imagine if we could install wind and water flow generators with storage to harness cyclone power.
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Imagine the engineering requirements to sort of do that...
Perhaps not the most doable idea ? Most times we just get the hell out of the way of cyclones !!
 
basilio said:
...and anyway the only people you take seriously happen to contradict the entire meteorological community.

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And this illustrates just how mendacious and/or out of touch with reality you have become bas.

This is what happens when you refuse to venture from your echo chamber and vested mercantile interests, into the real world.
 
wayneL said:
And this illustrates just how mendacious and/or out of touch with reality you have become bas.

This is what happens when you refuse to venture from your echo chamber and vested mercantile interests, into the real world.
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Look in the mirror my delusional one. When you decide that NASA, Hadley, Anglia and all the other major weather measuring entities are corrupted and can't be trusted to record accurate information - your in fairy land. But clearly you have plenty of fellow inmates so your not lonely are you ?

I keep wondering though why you are so persistent about decrying the paper figures of CC but decide that the physical evidence of this increasing temperature are beyond your remit.
 
What do we need to prepare for in a much warmer world ? Sherri Goodman is a former US deputy undersecretary of defence, and founder of the CNA Military Advisory Board. She is in Canberra this week to talk to policymakers and the public about how climate change threatens national security, and will speak at a screening of The Age of Consequences documentary at the Australian National University on Wednesday. This is her take on the situation.

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When President Donald Trump became the commander-in-chief of the US Armed Forces, he accepted the responsibility to protect my country against enemies, foreign and domestic. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull shares the same responsibility to protect Australians.

Do these leaders understand that a key component of national security and global stability is climate change and the instability it is already causing around the world? The intersection of these two issues is already striking the world in unexpected ways, as climate change interacts with other pre-existing problems to become an accelerant to instability. The consequences include overwhelming humanitarian crises, forced migrations like those we are witnessing around the Mediterranean, and a breakdown in the human systems that make our societies work.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/com...urity-in-unexpected-ways-20170404-gvdaqx.html
 
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