wayneL
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Why then do the chief alarmists race Around the World in private jets?
And tick again and again and again...
Why then do the chief alarmists race Around the World in private jets?
Why then do the chief alarmists race Around the World in private jets?
"...data mining to find the most pessimistic view of the future,"
It would be great if we weren't seeing repeated record temperatures set around the world. I'm sure Miami and Florida would like to ignore the rising sea levels that will wash away the city in the near future. (In fact they are trying to do that at the moment. It's not rising sea levels it's "nuisance flooding.")
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So why did you pick Miami bas?
Why is sea level rising there? Could it be there are other factors at play? I know you know there are.
This is actually worse than data mining, it's freakin misrepresentation, or worse. So you are either in denial or are a liar.
Which is it?
So why did you pick Miami bas?
Why is sea level rising there? Could it be there are other factors at play? I know you know there are.
This is actually worse than data mining, it's freakin misrepresentation, or worse. So you are either in denial or are a liar.
Which is it?
I could have picked a score of other places Wayne where it's clear rising sea levels are creating serious problems.
Miami is just big expensive and American. How about Alaska or Shanghai ?
But in the end the city I use for an example is irrelevant. The issue is the record temperatures in the Arctic that is rapidly melting ice caps in Greenland and will result in metres of seas level rise in the foreseeable future.
.....Or not if you just don't believe (or want to believe..) anything untoward is happening.
So what can we say about sea level trends along Alaska's coast? It's the geology, stupid.
"The land surface in Southern Alaska is moving faster than global sea level is presently changing," says Jeff Freymueller, a scientist with the Geophysical Institute and Department of Geology and Geophysics at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.
Absolute sea level in the Gulf of Alaska has been falling, contradicting a global trend, according to a new study that focused mainly on the "good news-bad news" situation in Chesapeake Bay on the United States' East Coast. But Alaska scientists have found a more complicated picture.
This study attributed the flooding frequency increase to a decadal-scale accelerating rates of SLR. However, some of the increased flooding frequency might have caused due to local land subsidence, because some of the low elevation sections of the city were built on reclaimed swamps.
Shanghai’s skyline glitters with sleek financial skyscrapers and glossy residential towers, but below the city’s lustrous facade lies an enduring problem. Thanks to mass urban migration, soft soil and global warming, Shanghai is sinking, and has been for decades. Since 1921, China’s most populous city has descended more than 6 ft. Across China, land subsidence affects more than 50 cities, where 49,000 sq. mi. of land have dropped at least 8 in.
Shanghai has inherently soft soil because of its geographical position at the mouth of the Yangtze River basin and, yes, groundwater accounts for nearly 70% of land subsidence; however, experts say, the weight of skyscrapers and global warming also play hefty roles in aggravating what they call “the most important geological disaster in Shanghai.” Unfortunately, the implications will only grow graver with the pace of development and rising sea levels.
....Scientists expect the regulations to help curb the consumption of underground-water supplies, but there are a few things the government has less control over, like global warming. As land degradation and excessive guzzling of groundwater continue, environmentalists predict waters surrounding Shanghai will rise 9 to 27 in. by 2050 as a result of melting ice caps.
... Even then, global warming remains an obstacle. As skyscrapers in Shanghai go up and the glaciers in the North and South poles melt down, cities like Shanghai grow more and more vulnerable every day.
Shanghai anyone ..anyone ? TS
All excerpts from the article you quoted TS.
http://science.time.com/2012/05/21/soaring-to-sinking-how-building-up-is-bringing-shanghai-down/
Shanghai has inherently soft soil because of its geographical position at the mouth of the Yangtze River basin and, yes, groundwater accounts for nearly 70% of land subsidence
Not denying it basilio ... it is not all about the oceans rising and the glaciers melting. Land is subsiding as well.
Bueller, Bueller, Bueller ... anyone ... anyone?
Trick question: Which is faster - ice melting or land sinking?
Come on TS. With all the piers and floating slab engineers put into buildings, cities don't just sink and have water lapping at its doors.
And if we allow for that kind of sinking, it won't be level... Leaning Tower of Pisa and stuff.
Heard that a few years ago, NASA's rocket propulsion lab figured some ice sheet in Iceland (Greenland?) was melting at a rate of some 50,000 tone/L of water a day. So unless there's an equivalent freezing somewhere in the world, that rate of new water might raise sea level faster than any soil subsidence.
Since 1921, China’s most populous city has descended more than 6 ft.
As land degradation and excessive guzzling of groundwater continue, environmentalists predict waters surrounding Shanghai will rise 9 to 27 in. by 2050 as a result of melting ice caps.
"Coronal holes are the source of a high-speed wind of solar particles that streams off the sun some three times faster than the slower wind elsewhere," NASA says. They can appear anywhere from weeks to months at a time, and can take up as much as a quarter of the sun’s surface.
Even though a coronal hole on the sun doesn’t signal the end of the world, it can lead to a few pesky problems back on Earth.
"Solar winds released from the corona can form solar storms, which can disrupt satellite and radio communication systems," the Huffington Post reports.
I'm beginning to wonder if you have any comprehension abilities whatsoever. Either that or you just love fallacious and intellectually unscrupulous straw man arguments.I could have picked a score of other places Wayne where it's clear rising sea levels are creating serious problems.
Miami is just big expensive and American. How about Alaska or Shanghai ?
But in the end the city I use for an example is irrelevant. The issue is the record temperatures in the Arctic that is rapidly melting ice caps in Greenland and will result in metres of seas level rise in the foreseeable future.
.....Or not if you just don't believe (or want to believe..) anything untoward is happening. ;)
By the way Wayne did you have any comments on Smurfs last contribution to the discussion ?
Venice anyone? Grasshopper?
Venice was built on an actual swamp Sifu, and it's still at similar flooding level as parts of Miami. One was built way back in the Middle Ages, the other only got started some 150 years ago when Jackson free it from the Spaniards.
That and I saw other documents where Florida are mainly made up of ancient coral reefs and limestones. So it's soft, but not muddy... more prone to sink holes in places.
But let say soil subsidence and sinking is the main cause for water issues... wouldn't that also mean we ought to be more "hysterical" in our attempt to not risk sea level rises? That if there's a minute chance that our idiotic eggheads might be right about what's going to cause the ice to melt (warming planet), we might want to listen and maybe do things to prevent it. Just in case? No?
I put out an ice cube and it melt to water... but the icecaps and glaciers melting because the Earth is heating up? Get out of town.
Come on Sifu, you know we're right.
I'm beginning to wonder if you have any comprehension abilities whatsoever. Either that or you just love fallacious and intellectually unscrupulous straw man arguments.
How many times on this thread have I listed my concerns for the environment on number of fronts? Would you care to go back and count?
Ah but as usual you have to be a lying #### to try to further a largely political agenda of the left.
Yes sea level is rising, has been since the end of the little ice age, along with temperatures. You alarmists try to make an anthropogenic case for acceleration of this trend along with a purported causation. But you can only do so with examples like Shanghai, Maimi, those freakin Islands I can't remember the name of... all places where there are land mass shifts (and yes largely human induced) exacerbates this trend.
Then comes the weasely worded predictions. My disdain for the likes of you grows exponentially with each pathetic corruption of the data to present a worst case scenario. You are sick basilio, see a psych.
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