Resisting Climate Hysteria

[cynic]

I'm interested in your opinion. You allege that section was rubbish, what's your evidence ?

Are you saying that you can actually find insight into scientist thought processes in the section to which I refer?

 

[SirRumpole]

Are you saying that you can actually find insight into scientist thought processes in the section to which I refer?

I'm not saying anything, you made an allegation, you back it up.

 

[cynic]

I'm not saying anything, you made an allegation, you back it up.

I already have. Look at the section! It's clearly aimed at a target audience of children and invites them to "Think like a scientist" and yet it offers no insight into scientific thought processes. Instead it repetitiously asserts AGW throughout.


So when one cannot convince a thinking adult, the obvious solution is to indoctrinate impressionable children in the expectation that they will grow into compliant adults!

Very sinister, it makes me sick to the pit of my stomach to see science, education and the trust of children exploited in such a manner!

Even, if I believed the AGW ideology, I would like to think that I would still have sufficient presence of mind to distance myself from such a reprehensible approach to promoting such ideology.

 

[basilio]

All about Willie Soon.

Wayne has offered a story on how Willie Soon has been trashed for Conflicts of Interest by accepting and not declaring large grants from the fossil fuel industry when he was writing papers that attempted to explain climate change as a result of changes in solar radiation.

Firstly there is a case for saying that solar radiation has a (small) impact on the climate. I believe that is understood and accepted by almost all CC scientists. The point of difference is that Willie and CC deniers have attempted to explain any current CC in terms of changes in solar radiation and have denied the effect of greenhouse gases as the most substantial cause of current and immediate future changes. These papers have in fact been analysed and seriously debunked by other scientists who found numerous errors in Willies methodology. It is just BS.

But on top of this area Willie has resolutely denied that there is in fact an current CC. That has made him a special pin up boy of Waynes mob. But of course Willie was too practical to just create good stories for the deniers for free. Nope. He was paid good, GOOD money for his many and varied papers. - every single one , naturally, attempting to deny

1) That there has been any CC
2) But if there has ... CO2 has nothing to do with it

So how how much was Soon paid ? At last count $1.2million. And not only that he never actually told people that the funding for his research came from energy companies. That is a reall No no when you are publishing papers in Science Journals

Short story on that is as follows

As reported at Inside Climate News, emails and related documents regarding Willie Soon's funding were obtained by Greenpeace through a Freedom of Information Act Request. Communications show that Soon had called a number of his research papers “delieverables” and had received funding in return from fossil fuel companies. [42]

Inside Climate News details “11 times Willie Soon failed to Disclose Fossil Fuel Funding”, with the primary contributor being Southern Company, which generates power for nine states (largely from coal). The studies in question are summarized below, as reported on at Inside Climate News: [43]


Topic Journal Date Additional Funders

Response to a critique of a 2007 paper co-authored by soon on polar bears and climate change (1)
Ecological Complexity1 July, 2008 Southern Company

Modeling changes in rainfall patterns from monsoons(1)

Journal of Climate1 Sept. 2008 Southern Company


Review of government reports on polar bear populations(1)Interfaces1 Sept. - Oct. 2008
Southern Company

How changes in sun's intensity explain the Artic's changing climate (1) Physical Geography1 March, 2009 Southern Company

Cycles of 20 active stars (1) Astronomy & Astrophysics1 May, 2009 Southern Company

Validity of the United Nations' climate change studies International Journal of Forecasting (1) Oct.-Dec 2009
Southern Company

How policymakers should consider potential climate change regulations Ecological Law Currents2 2010 Southern Company

Surface air temperatures in China during the 20th century Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics2,3,4 Aug. 2011 Southern Company
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India's summer monsoons and solar activity Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics 2,3,4 Aug. 2011 Southern Company

Air temperatures and Solar Activity Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics4 Feb. 2013 Southern Company

How India's summer monsoons are affected by the sun New Astronomy4,5 Feb. 2015 Southern Company

(1) Deliverable Listed in Soon's Jan 2009 report for Southern Company
Deliverable Listed in Soon's May 2011 report for Southern Company
Deliverable Listed in Soon's Jan 2012 report for Donors Trust, Inc.
Deliverable Listed in Soon's Nov 2012 report for Southern Company
Soon's 2012 report to Southern Compnay said study had been submitted to Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics

The documents were made public by Greenpeace on February 21. Greenpeace suggests that Soon “may have violated several scientific journals’ ethical guidelines by failing to disclose these conflicts of interest.” [44]

As of April, 2015, after supplying Soon with nearly $470,000 for research, Southern Company decided it will no longer fund Soon's work. [45]

http://www.desmogblog.com/willie-soon

Actually these examples of Willie Soons capacity to generate scientific papers on payment are just a sample of his work. To appreciate the full breadth of his willingness to create a smog of uncertainty for money you have to digest his full CV.

You can check those at the URl above or look at the following source

http://polluterwatch.org/willie-soon

 

[basilio]

PS on Willie Soon

One of Willies early seminal papers was written in 2003 and attempted to say that there wasn't any increase in temperatures in the 20th Century. That in fact everything was pretty much ok.

The response from the scientific community ?

January 31, 2003

Soon co-published a controversial review article titled “Proxy climatic and environmental changes of the past 1000 years” (Climate Research, 2003) with Sallie Baliunas. The article claims that the twentieth century was not the warmest century in the past 1,000 years and that the climate has not changed significantly during this time. Senator James Inhofe used this article as proof that climate change is caused by natural variability, not human activity.

After the article was published, three of the editors of Climate Research resigned in protest, including incoming editor-in-chief Hans von Storch. Storch declared the article was seriously flawed because “the conclusions [were] not supported by the evidence presented in the paper.” In addition to the resignations, thirteen of the scientists cited in the paper published rebuttals stating that Soon and Baliunas had misinterpreted their work.

According to the Union of Concerned Scientists' 2007 report, “Smoke, Mirrors, and Hot Air,” the National Research Council recently published research concluding that the “global mean surface temperature was higher during the last few decades of the 20th century than during any comparable period in the preceding four centuries.”

http://www.desmogblog.com/willie-soon

It's not a good look to quote the work of 13 scientists in your paper and then have them trash you for misinterpreting/misrepresenting their work. You look like a very dishonest scientist.

 

[basilio]

For anyone still looking for evidence that the world is hotter (by a BIG margin ) than it's been for whenever check out what has happened around the globe in April.

Another shattering of global record temperatures. Lots of details about record sea temperatures on our Great Barrier Reef, mass heat deaths in India and so on.

April joins parade of record global temperatures, making it 12 months in a row

Date
May 3, 2016

Peter Hannam

India swelters in deadly heat wave

India is in the grip of a heat wave that has killed more than 100 people.

Scary blue line that shocked scientists
Emerging new threat in world's oceans

It's the sort of anniversary you don't want to celebrate.

Early reports indicate that April was another record hot month - by some margin - making it 12 months in a row that have set new high marks for heat.

Eric Holthaus, a US-based meteorologist took to Twitter with an estimate that sea and land-surface temperatures would again top 1 degree compared with the average for 1951-80 period used by NASA.

The previous biggest anomaly for April was recorded in 2010 at 0.83 degrees, implying that last month was easily the warmest ever registered for the month.

If confirmed by major meteorological agencies within coming weeks, the April figures would continue the remarkably warm start to 2016, with each month among a handful over the most abnormally hot months in more than 130 years of global figures.

Australia is also exceptionally warm. During the first four months of 2016, average mean temperatures were 1.28 degrees above the 1961-90 period used by the Bureau of Meteorology for its benchmark.

The previous record to this point of the year was 1.16 degrees in 2005, Blair Trewin, senior bureau climatologist, told Fairfax Media.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...ng-it-12-months-in-a-row-20160502-gokkg2.html

 

[noco]

As long as it helped you noco, it was worth it.

I am so utterly bored with the same old GREEN broken record......It is the same old tripe you were sprouting 4 years ago...
SO BORING.

 

[cynic]

It's not a good look to quote the work of 13 scientists in your paper and then have them trash you for misinterpreting/misrepresenting their work. You look like a very dishonest scientist.

I think the number of scientists dishonestly represented may have been somewhat higher than 13, only it wasn't in relation to Dr Soon's work, it was in relation to the generation of fraudulent claims to the purported scientific consensus!

 

[wayneL]

I think the number of scientists dishonestly represented may have been somewhat higher than 13, only it wasn't in relation to Dr Soon's work, it was in relation to the generation of fraudulent claims to the purported scientific consensus!

Exactly, basilio's post really just reinforces my earlier point.

 

[wayneL]

DeSmog team

James Hoggan Jim Hoggan
Jim Hoggan is one of Canada’s most respected public-relations professionals and the president and owner of the Vancouver PR firm Hoggan & Associates.

A law school graduate with a longstanding passion for social justice, Jim also serves as chair of the David Suzuki Foundation””the nation’s most influential environmental organization””and as a Trustee of the Dalai Lama Center for Peace and Education.
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Brendan DeMelle
Brendan DeMelle
Brendan is Executive Director and Managing Editor of DeSmogBlog. He is also a freelance writer and researcher specializing in new media, politics, climate change and clean energy. He has served as research associate for Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., researcher for Ring of Fire Radio, researcher for Laurie David, and others. His work has appeared in Vanity Fair, The Huffington Post, Grist, The Washington Times and other outlets.

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So I looked up DeSmog bas and I see that neither of these guys has a scientific qualification and are in fact, leftist activists.

The irony of the name "DeSmog" is intense as the blog has absolutely no intention to clarify the science surrounding climate change, rather, using subterfuge to promote their activism.

This is advocacy and politics, not science.

So I can safely lump them in with other lunatics, Armageddonists, vested interests and totalitarian brownshirts just like Straightjacket Hansen, Romm the wrong, Cook(ing the books), Nuttercelli, The Moonbat, Mann the butthurt and the rest of them.

Let's cut the advocacy shall we bas?

 

[SirRumpole]

I am so utterly bored with the same old GREEN broken record......It is the same old tripe you were sprouting 4 years ago...
SO BORING.

As is your constant spouting of denialist propaganda and one sided interpretation of scientific studies which you have no ability to understand so you just swallow the rubbish handed out that supports your own bigoted opinions.

Typical trollism.

 

[Tisme]

Brisbane broke some old records this month and it's still hot and sticky:

April brought perfect swimming weather for Queensland, with daily average maximums of 32.8C, 2.9C warmer than normal and 0.4C higher than the previous record set in 2005.

And the rest of the state:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-01/hottest-may-night-on-record-20-queensland-towns-cities/7373922

 

[Tisme]

As is your constant spouting of denialist propaganda and one sided interpretation of scientific studies which you have no ability to understand so you just swallow the rubbish handed out that supports your own bigoted opinions.

Typical trollism.

It's not like you to react negatively to deliberate baiting. Everyone knows, anecdotally at least, the weather is changing and I'm guessing we are acclimating to it somewhat ...... although I am wondering if the elevated heat is affecting some people's ability to think cogently.

 

[noco]

As is your constant spouting of denialist propaganda and one sided interpretation of scientific studies which you have no ability to understand so you just swallow the rubbish handed out that supports your own bigoted opinions.

Typical trollism.

There is a difference between propaganda, facts and common sense.

The Alarmist propaganda is always based on models, lies and supposition which has been been proven wrong time and time again.....

Tim Flannery...Yes??????No rains will ever fill the dams in Brisbane Sydney and Melbourne ever again.

Greenland ....Yes?????Warmer 1000 years ago than it is now......A mini ice age 500 years ago.

The Antarctic ice ...Yes???? More ice now than in previous years.

Wild fires around the world....Yes....all been occurring since records were kept back to 1925.

All a farce, a scam and manipulation of the truth year after year after year put forward by the these so called leftist activist and probably paid for by that crooked UN Climate Climate Change Committee to push their own agenda. .

On the other hand those who are in denial of man made Global Warming (oops sorry) I mean Climate Change have proven facts and use common sense.

We all believe in climate change as I have observed closing in on 90 years..I have been through severe droughts, floods, 4 cyclones, bush fires extremely hot summers and extremely cold winters.....Ah yes Climate Change is real.

Pollution in some major cities is real and certainly needs cleaning up.

So please don't come back at me with more of this nonsense. More and more people are awake to the greatest scam this world has ever seen.

It has all to do with the SUN my blessed son.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's not like you to react negatively to deliberate baiting. Everyone knows, anecdotally at least, the weather is changing and I'm guessing we are acclimating to it somewhat ...... although I am wondering if the elevated heat is affecting some people's ability to think cogently.

Sometimes, ya just gotta hit em where it hurts...

 

[orr]

This is advocacy and politics, not science.

Whereas the suppression of the scientific studies done by 'a major un-named Oil multi-national' lets call them Exxon, done decades ago into C02 and it's effects on the planetary climate, confirming concerns of those that you malign above, Led to the mantra within the company ...
'We need advocacy and politics, 'not science' .

The fact that you're now in furious agreement with a poster who but a few comments back admitted to primary school level science being a Galilean heresy ..... 'Waynes World' alright....

 

[Tisme]

Sometimes, ya just gotta hit em where it hurts...

The only thing that will change some people's minds about climate change is if their political masters have a change of attitude. It's just Collingwood V Carlton stuff for some.

 

[SirRumpole]

It has all to do with the SUN my blessed son.

Water off a duck, but some may find this useful.

http://www.livescience.com/1349-sun-blamed-warming-earth-worlds.html

 

[SirRumpole]

The only thing that will change some people's minds about climate change is if their political masters have a change of attitude. It's just Collingwood V Carlton stuff for some.

Abbott's government decided to lavish billions of our tax dollars on companies to reduce GHG emissions, Direct Action.

Why waste this money if Climate Change is crap ?

noco ?

 

[cynic]

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The fact that you're now in furious agreement with a poster who but a few comments back admitted to primary school level science being a Galilean heresy ..... 'Waynes World' alright....

To which posts and poster do you allude?