Resisting Climate Hysteria

[noco]

You may care to read NASA's view, not some climate sceptic's appraisal of the study.

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

I did read that article from start to finish an it made for interesting reading but I don't understand the point you are trying to make.....What has happened is quite normal and there will be increases and decreases over time.

My youngest son spent 6 months in Antarctica 5 years ago....He went to Davis on the Aura Australis in October when normally this vessel can dock at that time of the year but due to the late summer ice melt the ship could not get in to port due to some 6 feet of sheet ice, so he and his team had to walk 4 nautical miles to Davis...The Aura Australis finally docked some 2 weeks later.

My point is the sheet ice can vary from year to year......It is really no big deal.

 

[SirRumpole]

My point is the sheet ice can vary from year to year......It is really no big deal.

Not if you take it by itself, which is why single factors are not the only things to look at , you also have to look at global land and sea temperatures, sea level rise etc etc.

 

[wayneL]

You may care to read NASA's view, not some climate sceptic's appraisal of the study.

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

Appeal to authority fallacy there Horace.

Have you been learning these from bas?

And ferchrissake, can you quit the kindergarten stuff... I presume we are all adults here?

 

[SirRumpole]

And ferchrissake, can you quit the kindergarten stuff... I presume we are all adults here?

Sometimes I wonder.

 

[wayneL]

Sometimes I wonder.

Well, you can help by raising your level of debate tobadult level

 

[SirRumpole]

Well, you can help by raising your level of debate tobadult level

You mean by quoting scientific publications not personal bias ?

Do you think CO2 is a harmless gas Wayne ?

 

[wayneL]

You mean by quoting scientific publications not personal bias ?

Do you think CO2 is a harmless gas Wayne ?

Quote as many cites as you like, but thats not what Im referring to and you damn well know it.

Co2 is an important gas with a multifaceted implications. Couching of the question in such simplified terms is fallacious a puerile.

 

[Joules MM1]

My point is the sheet ice can vary from year to year......It is really no big deal.

i think a lot of farmers would agree - when people point to lack of rain or extreme temperatures
(of course, no one quotes them cos theyre just folkies who live on the land and don't wear lab coats)
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[Joules MM1]

interesting stuff (as many whingers know, i dont usually post to this thread, but, hey...fun fun fun)

2013

New Records for Lack of Tornadoes

New data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show the past 12 months set a record for the fewest tornadoes in recorded history. Not only did Mother Nature just set a record for lack of tornado activity, she absolutely shattered the previous record for fewest tornadoes in a 12-month period. During the past 12 months, merely 197 tornadoes struck the United States. Prior to this past year, the fewest tornadoes striking the United States during a 12-month period occurred from June 1991 through July 1992, when 247 tornadoes occurred.

The new tornado record is particularly noteworthy because of recent advances in tornado detection technology. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is able to detect more tornadoes in recent years than in prior decades due to technological advances. Even with such enhanced tornado detection capability, the past 12 months shattered all prior records for recorded tornadoes.

NOAA posted a list of the five “lowest non-overlapping 12 month counts on record from 1954-present.” Notably, each of these low-tornado periods occur since 1986, precisely during the time period global warming alarmists claim global warming is causing more extreme weather events such as tornadoes. According to NOAA, the lowest non-overlapping 12 month counts on record from 1954-present, with the starting month, are:

197 tornadoes – starting in May 2012

247 tornadoes – starting in June 1991

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...vents-are-becoming-less-extreme/#382a7c754d14

 

[SirRumpole]

Co2 is an important gas with a multifaceted implications. Couching of the question in such simplified terms is fallacious a puerile.

I'm glad you agree.

So would you criticise this statement posted by noco ?

The Correct Answer: CO2 is a harmless, trace gas. It is as necessary for life - just as oxygen and nitrogen are. It is a natural gas that is clear, tasteless and odourless. It is in no way a pollutant.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes, in the context of atmospherics, I do not consider co2 a pollutant. Without co2, life doesn't work. However, elevated levels may have consequences, some of which may be contextually negative, some of which may be contextually positive.

Right, but I had to counter the reductio ad absurdum posted by noco with reference to a similar argument for nitrogen which also satisfies your statement above as he didn't appear to understand the scientific principles involved.

 

[wayneL]

I would largely agree with that statement. Co2 is an essential compound in the physiology of life on earth.

The absolute level may have consequences, both positive and negative depending on the context of each organism. As far as humans are concerned, we see both, notwithstanding other anthropogenic and natural factors.

It's complicated dude.

 

[wayneL]

Ps sorry about the delete and repost. Smart phone issues ???

 

[SirRumpole]

Ps sorry about the delete and repost. Smart phone issues ???

No problem.

I think we can agree that the proportion of co2 is important in the environment for all living things, and you are right, it's complicated but a basic understanding of the science would help some people.

 

[Knobby22]

Interesting Artic watch chart.

The previous record for minimum ice was 2012, then the following years went closer to normal.
This year though the melt is very high however there are still four months to go and possibly the melt won't proceed as quickly. I am going to keep my eye on it.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

 

[Tisme]

No problem.

I think we can agree that the proportion of co2 is important in the environment for all living things, and you are right, it's complicated but a basic understanding of the science would help some people.

It's a fricken asphyxiant and highly toxic in higher than "normal" will lead to muscle twitch, headache, pallid skin colour, high blood pressure elevating to vomiting, hallucinations, poor judgement (e.g. politicians), panic attacks, heart beat irregularity, flaking out when it exceeds 10% of our air intake and a possible visit from Mr Death.

Welcome to the dawn of the genuine sicky

 

[SirRumpole]

It's a fricken asphyxiant and highly toxic in higher than "normal" will lead to muscle twitch, headache, pallid skin colour, high blood pressure elevating to vomiting, hallucinations, poor judgement (e.g. politicians), panic attacks, heart beat irregularity, flaking out when it exceeds 10% of our air intake and a possible visit from Mr Death.

Welcome to the dawn of the genuine sicky

Ssshhh, we don't want to alarm people do we ?

 

[cynic]

The evidence of global temperature maps and the record hot years in the last 20 years have been presented numerous times in this thread. If you don't wish to consider that evidence then that is up to you, but I consider that they are important indicators of trend that can't be ignored.

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The fact is that deforestation is occurring at great pace on the planet, and therefore the ability of flora to absorb co2 is being reduced.

Human activity due to land clearing and emissions of co2 is upsetting the plant/animal balance, the climate is reacting and this needs to be redressed.

Yes there is some deforestation occurring and yes flora do naturally perform a co2 recycling function, but how on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that this purported temperature uptrend (20 years is a very short period of time in the lifespan of this planet) is solely attributable to CO2?

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes there is some deforestation occurring and yes flora do naturally perform a co2 recycling function, but how on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that this purported temperature uptrend (20 years is a very short period of time in the lifespan of this planet) is solely attributable to CO2?

Did I ever say it was solely attributable to co2 ?, but co2 is a greenhouse gas along with methane that causes global warming.

Maybe there is a contribution by cows and humans farting, but that still comes down to human activity. More farting animals to feed more people, more land clearing to graze cattle etc.

 

[cynic]

Did I ever say it was solely attributable to co2 ?, but co2 is a greenhouse gas along with methane that causes global warming.

Maybe there is a contribution by cows and humans farting, but that still comes down to human activity. More farting animals to feed more people, more land clearing to graze cattle etc.

My apologies, how did you conclude that this purported warming is solely attributable to greenhouse gases?