Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

Not sure about everything Wayne but if God is going to judge us I reckon he will take a very dim view of the people who wilfully disregarded all the evidence that we were trashing the planet in favour of business as usual.

Lets get real. It really doesn't matter what sort of lifestyle a researcher leads if the results of their work are sound.
Your lot has spent 25 years trashing the reputations of almost all the scientific community to defend an indefensible position.

In 2016 with world temperatures soaring at unprecedented rates the rubbish that was peddled about "temperatures plateauing" "new ice ages" "dodgy figures" stinks to high heaven.

And it will be smelt.

Just to be clear, and to exhibit your strawmanology, who do you think is "my lot"?

Additionally, if there is a God, what you are saying is that He would more favourably on fornicators who preach abstinence, than those who simply practice abstinence.

WTF?

I think you might have that ar5e about luvvy.

 

[basilio]

Your lot Wayne ? Clearly I don't know all the facts. But for the record lining up behind the climate change denier industry on almost every occasion stands out pretty clearly.

And I will never ever forgive or forget your repeated slandering of James Hanson on this thread as a psychopath. A very special touch I thought.

Your religious example is unique. If I was looking for a more apposite point I'd consider the culpability (before the Lord ) of those who drove the Titanic at high speed through iceberg infested waters because

1) They wanted to break the speed record for the fastest crossing
2) They sincerely believed the Titantic was unsinkable so really why worry ?

Risk Management Wayne. Not certainty, not blind dumb denial. Just recognising there are significant risks in a course of action and asking yourself whether you can handle the consequences of being wrong.

 

[wayneL]

Hanson's record is clear - psycho.

And your pandering to his psychopathology is an alarming pathological marker, inter alia, for your own mental mental state. This is not a matter of science basilio. The man needs help, perhaps an intervention.

 

[wayneL]

In fact, I feel sorry fir him. I believe he may bw suffering from some preventable contagious viral encephalitis, unwittingly passed on to Mann, Romm, Cook, Nuttercelli, Moonbat, Schmidt et al... Although Gavin seems to be showing signs of recovery.

Let us pray for him.

 

[wayneL]

....again, apologies for small screen, fat finger typos

 

[Ijustnewit]

I know , none of my business but keep it nice guys . It's a great subject to debate and one of the few forums on Climate Change / Hysteria that hasn't been shut down by the mods due to similar degradation.
I'll but out now

 

[wayneL]

These are just words Ijust.

The real worry is action http://dailysignal.com/2016/03/14/t...wellian-policies-to-go-after-climate-deniers/

 

[explod]

In my view we are at a point where climate change is accellerating to the point where by there is little point in this thread anymore. We have passed the two degrees up that we should not have passed and really noone givs a rats. As an old sociologist friend told me in 1995, 'just party, you cannot change human nature, they will only see what the can understand and want to.

Wayne ole Pal, as the eldest of eight grew up in very tough circumstances, Dad a returned w2 victim/serviceman, we lived outback, no phone electricity, miles from medical services. Dad drunk most of the time so i tried to hold it together for Mother. Left school barely literate to fend for them. At 17 when younger siblings could handle it went shearing and learnt about unionism and looking out for your fellows. Joined police force to give my wife a better life. Did well because i understood and related to people. Became a councillor and Mayor in one town I served. On promotion took charge of large police stations with problems and fixed them. At research and development was part of the team that developed neighbourhood watch and safety house, later adopted world wide. I alone developed the procedures protecting women with safe houses. Went to university where i excelked and could go on. And for the record, greens are not commo or left wing we just seek a fair go for everyone.

What about you Wayne ole Pal

 

[explod]

what message would that be Mr Plod? If you check back... Years on this forum if you like, you will see I have always advocated living frugally.

Mate, my "carbon footprint' has always been small, almost always smaller then those farkin hypocrites who see fit to lecture me from their range rovers and their reverse cycle air conditioned two story, larger than necessary. MvMansions.

So get stuffed plod, you are blinded by political ideology, which prevents you from balanced opinion, and allows you to offend those who might be largely in agreement.

It is people like you who hold back conservation in this world.

Think about it before the next time you decide to be an a55hole. (to use your term you called me a couple of days ago -

Just checked back but cannot see the venom you have put forth that is anywhere near some present.???

 

[luutzu]

In my view we are at a point where climate change is accellerating to the point where by there is little point in this thread anymore. We have passed the two degrees up that we should not have passed and really noone givs a rats. As an old sociologist friend told me in 1995, 'just party, you cannot change human nature, they will only see what the can understand and want to.

Wayne ole Pal, as the eldest of eight grew up in very tough circumstances, Dad a returned w2 victim/serviceman, we lived outback, no phone electricity, miles from medical services. Dad drunk most of the time so i tried to hold it together for Mother. Left school barely literate to fend for them. At 17 when younger siblings could handle it went shearing and learnt about unionism and looking out for your fellows. Joined police force to give my wife a better life. Did well because i understood and related to people. Became a councillor and Mayor in one town I served. On promotion took charge of large police stations with problems and fixed them. At research and development was part of the team that developed neighbourhood watch and safety house, later adopted world wide. I alone developed the procedures protecting women with safe houses. Went to university where i excelked and could go on. And for the record, greens are not commo or left wing we just seek a fair go for everyone.

What about you Wayne ole Pal

That's quite a life there Explod.

 

[basilio]

Never apologise, never retreat Wayne.

Good motto isn't it ? Show your balls of steel. Demonstrate your capacity to hold an indefensible position until your last breath.

There is clearly no point in having any type of rational discussion with you on this subject. Your beyond facts, beyond evidence. In our last interchanges you have never even touched the facts of the recent shattering temperature increases

You have your innate certainty that "everything is going to be alright" regardless of what anyone else says, or what happens outside, or what the temperature gauges say or anything that might challenge your determination to see a stable, benign future.

It certainly makes sense to me. You have plenty of company. Our society as a whole is not interested in acknowledging what appears to be happening. I posed some curly questions and asked where are they being examined? I suspect that are precious few places and in fact if they were placed on the public record we could expect panic.

So lets leave it at that. There will time enough for sorrow as our future unfolds.

Que Sera Sera

 

[wayneL]

Never apologise, never retreat Wayne.

Good motto isn't it ? Show your balls of steel. Demonstrate your capacity to hold an indefensible position until your last breath.

There is clearly no point in having any type of rational discussion with you on this subject. Your beyond facts, beyond evidence. In our last interchanges you have never even touched the facts of the recent shattering temperature increases

You have your innate certainty that "everything is going to be alright" regardless of what anyone else says, or what happens outside, or what the temperature gauges say or anything that might challenge your determination to see a stable, benign future.

It certainly makes sense to me. You have plenty of company. Our society as a whole is not interested in acknowledging what appears to be happening. I posed some curly questions and asked where are they being examined? I suspect that are precious few places and in fact if they were placed on the public record we could expect panic.

So lets leave it at that. There will time enough for sorrow as our future unfolds.

Que Sera Sera

It would be a good post bas, if it were not predicated on BS. Do I have to detail my official position YET AGAIN?

Time will out. Post El Nino will we interesting.

NASA's chief climate scientist Gavin Schmidt usually discounts the importance of individual record hot months, but said this month was different, calling it "obviously strange." This was due to the long-term warming from heat-trapping gases and the powerful El Nino, so these types of records will continue for a few more months, but probably will not be a permanent situation, Schmidt said in an email.

 

[wayneL]

Some light reading outside of the Grauniad and Cook's Contrivance:

https://judithcurry.com/2016/03/06/end-of-the-satellite-data-pause/#more-21237

 

[noco]

Frankly I just can't see how we avoid very extreme consequences of global warming. Droughts, extreme wildfires, loss of huge areas of productive land, sharp increases in storms and sea levels.

In that context I wonder what the priorities of governments around the world will be. For example when will areas be written off as uninhabitable When will cities be abandoned ? When will new safer areas be developed for populations?

Who is actually thinking about these questions ? Are they even on an agenda ?

What about the extreme cyclones we have not had this year?......Does that mean the Pacific Ocean is cooler than normal.
You see Bas, the ocean has to be extremely warm to form a cyclone.....One in Fiji but none in North Queensland....Maybe that Global Warming thing oh is really a farce like the majority now think.

 

[Tisme]

What about the extreme cyclones we have not had this year?......Does that mean the Pacific Ocean is cooler than normal.
You see Bas, the ocean has to be extremely warm to form a cyclone.....One in Fiji but none in North Queensland....Maybe that Global Warming thing oh is really a farce like the majority now think.

I think there's a soup req'd for the monsoons, like ice melt mixing with shallow saltwater, heat, pressure, etc. Not knowledgable at all about how shallow the water is currently, how less salty it is, how the pressures align, etc., but I don't feel too bad because apparently it takes super computers to predict.

 

[noco]

I think there's a soup req'd for the monsoons, like ice melt mixing with shallow saltwater, heat, pressure, etc. Not knowledgable at all about how shallow the water is currently, how less salty it is, how the pressures align, etc., but I don't feel too bad because apparently it takes super computers to predict.

And super $rse holes on the key board.

 

[basilio]

Good paper came out in Nature last December which detailed how much human activity was contributing to climate change. They figured about two thirds.

Assessing the observed impact of anthropogenic climate change

Gerrit Hansen & Dáithí Stone


Nature Climate Change
(2015)
doi:10.1038/nclimate2896


Published online
21 December 2015


Abstract

Abstract• References• Author information• Supplementary information

Impacts of recent regional changes in climate on natural and human systems are documented across the globe, yet studies explicitly linking these observations to anthropogenic forcing of the climate are scarce. Here we provide a systematic assessment of the role of anthropogenic climate change for the range of impacts of regional climate trends reported in the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report. We find that almost two-thirds of the impacts related to atmospheric and ocean temperature can be confidently attributed to anthropogenic forcing. In contrast, evidence connecting changes in precipitation and their respective impacts to human influence is still weak. Moreover, anthropogenic climate change has been a major influence for approximately three-quarters of the impacts observed on continental scales. Hence the effects of anthropogenic emissions can now be discerned not only globally, but also at more regional and local scales for a variety of natural and human systems.

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate2896.html

(NB I came across this article via a link from Judith Currys site. Many other useful papers cited.
https://judithcurry.com/2016/03/18/week-in-review-science-edition-35/#more-21316)

 

[Tisme]

And super $rse holes on the key board.

Yes self deprecating ones at that.

 

[Ves]

What about the extreme cyclones we have not had this year?......Does that mean the Pacific Ocean is cooler than normal.
You see Bas, the ocean has to be extremely warm to form a cyclone.....One in Fiji but none in North Queensland....Maybe that Global Warming thing oh is really a farce like the majority now think.

There generally is less tropical cyclones in the El Nino affected years, but more in the La Nina years (2016-17 summer).

Here's the 2015/16 tropical cyclone outlook published by the BOM before season started.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/tc.shtml

 

[wayneL]

Hanson further damages his credibility.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/20...yptic-sea-level-study-lands-to-mixed-reviews/

At each public utterance, I am more and more vindicated basilio.

<ETA> Curry's assessment https://judithcurry.com/2015/07/26/hansens-backfire/