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What is "the light" luutzu?
What is "the light" luutzu?
It is the light at the end of the tunnel when the alarmist fall off the cliff with all their propaganda about Global Warming...oops...sorry.... it is now climate change....I forgot there has been no Global Warming for 18 years.
Pretty sure global warming doesn't mean just hot weather. But California is pretty hot and dry right now. So is Brazil.
Heard the last time Cali was this dry, it was 1,200 years ago.
Saw a doco a while back and it said that by 2050 or so, the entire middle of continental USA will be out of water. Reason is not global warming but that the entire plain cannot support agriculture - there is no water source except for those deep underground. Those reservoir has been built up over millions of years and modern technology some 50 years ago suck it up and turn it plush for farming.
Heard the same sort of water is being used in most of California...
Now, if Cali dries up because there is not enough snow on whatever mountains that supplies most of its water; if in 2050 the entire middle of US is dry...
add to that possible rise in sea level, extreme weather patterns killing off crops and livestocks...
add to that changes in sea temperature, killing certain species and coral somewhere down the food chain...
Basically, less fish from the seas, less crops from the USA, less crops in most places due to rising sea level salting arable land...
add to that the pollution, the smog that causes cancer and premature deaths....
In short, global warming isn't just about the weather getting a bit hotter. It's extremes... extremely wet, extremely dry, extremely hot, extremely cold.
Think the effect that will have on livestocks and crops; on infrastructure and re-engineering to withstand extremes.
The best case scenario is food and tax will be much much higher. The other is there will be wars and revolutions all over the place.
Global Warming is one of those cases where you don't need data and scientific precision to know that maybe we ought to be cleaner... just in case the way we're doing things will end up killing most of our species. But there are plenty of data and science aren't there?
Here's another fact. In most of China the bees are dying off. Too much air pollution and pesticide etc., so crops and plants can't pollinate. They then resort to getting people climbing trees and whatnot to pollinate the flowers.
I hope that doco didn't come from our very own Tim Flannery
Don't know who Tim Flannery is.
That doco wasn't about climate change, just some stuff I click on to know about things.
Have you seen Promised Land? Starring Matt Damon... anyway, there's this greenie, tree hugger type guy who turns up wanting to help organise the town against big oil wanting to frack etc. He made all cases against fracking, how it kills the animals and pollute the water etc. Then it turns out the guy is a fraud.... then later it turns out that he was sent from "the corporation" to do what he does as an example of the frauds those greenies are - so the town won't believe any lefty commies "scientists" anymore... and it worked.
But it's only the movies right? In real life they won't do that.
Here's a short doco on our planet at 2 degree warmer [doomsday at 6 degrees]:
Here a link which will blow your mind apart...I do hope you read it all the way through.
]t is generally accepted that the Earth has been much warmer than today, for example, in the time of the dinosaurs (the mid-cretaceous period) when the CO2 was 2 to 4 times greater than today (NOAA). More recently, in the prior period between ice ages, just 125,000 years ago, the Earth also was much warmer than today and the sea level much higher - by about 13 to 20 feet (4 to 6 meters) (IPCC).
I thought you were not going to be swayed by true or false, but then you throw up generalisations as proof of your intransigence.
I fail to see the correlation between 125k years ago and now? Are you saying that we should be a meagre berry eating population of lower intelligence instead of the triple latte society we are today? Hmmm.... hard choice ASF discussion board or dead by 23 from starvation, disease and lion feeding.
Man made CO2 only represents 3% of CO2 in the atmosphere
Don't know who Tim Flannery is.
If you don't know who Tim Flannert is, you must live outside of Australia.
So you accept your viewas are an article of faith luutzu?
Everybody in Australia knows that crack pot alarmist Flannery who said in 2007 there would be insufficient rains to fill the dams in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne and that they would all run out of water........Those dams are now full to overflowing.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...tim_flannery_is_having_fun_its_raining_money/
California.
Just heard it hasn't been this dry since 1200 years ago.
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Brazil epic drought. Still going right now.
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Queensland drought - that's a lot of red.
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The lukewarmers don’t deny climate change. But they say the outlook’s fine
There are climate change sceptics, mainstream scientists – and a significant group in the middle. Whose voice is being heeded
Unless you’re knee deep in the mud of the climate debate, as I am, you might not know that so-called “climate denial” is actually not that common in the UK. Not that I call people deniers anyway: it antagonises, partly because it is thrown around indiscriminately. There are still people who are unconvinced that carbon dioxide has any greenhouse warming effect, particularly in the US and Australia. But by far the most common kind of non-mainstream, contrarian view I see in the UK – particularly in politicians, journalists and bloggers – is the self-described “lukewarmer”.
.....But whether we are in denial, lukewarm or concerned about global warming, the question really boils down to how we view uncertainty. If you agree with mainstream scientists, what would you be willing to do to reduce the predicted risks of substantial warming? And if you’re a lukewarmer, confident the Earth is not very sensitive, what would be at risk if you were wrong?
Another perspectives from The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/03/climate-change-scepticism-denial-lukewarmers
Next headline in the Guardian.
ALL DENIERS ARE TO BE ROUNDED UP AND SHOT.
LOL.
Climate change is an obvious myth – how much more evidence do you need?
Many people just refuse to accept the facts that surround them, even if we saw 100 more years of it plain and apparent
Dean Burnett
Climate change is a myth. We all know this, deep down. Some of you reading this may have been taken in by the fear-mongering governments or corrupt scientists so have been brainwashed into thinking climate change is a real thing that “threatens all of humanity” or some other nonsense, but it’s just that: nonsense. When you look closely at it, the so-called evidence for climate change, or “global warming” or “warmageddon” or “planetary death spiral” or whatever they’re calling it these days, it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
Take changes in sea level. They keep banging on about how the warming of the atmosphere causes rising sea levels, but if that was happening we’d have seen it by now! It’s been countless decades since they first started predicting this, but here we still are! But they persist in trying to convince us it’s a real threat, citing places that were supposedly “lost to the waves” and we’re supposed to believe that places like Atlantis, Miami or Skegness actually existed? You believe that rubbish and you probably believe we landed on Ganymede! And you’re an idiot, so there’s no hope for you.
So what is the problem?...it has all happened before.
Matee, I worked in the south west of Queensland for some years as a plumber....I worked on many sheep stations when wool was a pound sterling for a pound weight.
The smart cockies went through these droughts on many occasions but they were prepared for such events well in advance....They were never short of fodder for their stock as they would, in good times, grow silage on 400 to 500 acres, harvest it and bury it in under ground silos...So long as it had 2 feet of earth over the top, the silage was good for 11 years......In conditions like they are currently experiencing, the silage would dug and fed to their stock....Unfortunately, the modern farmer today is too lazy, relies upon the heavens and is quite happy to put his hand out for government assistance....there were no handouts in the 1950's.
There was always plenty of water from underground bores.
So my point is, don't blame Global warming, climate change or man made CO2...It has all happened before and not so far back.
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