Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...o-examine-fiddled-global-warming-figures.html

Article on the discrepancies in temp records FYI

 

[explod]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...o-examine-fiddled-global-warming-figures.html

Article on the discrepancies in temp records FYI

Read through it and not convinced. It is just so complex (not the article but the whole picture), but what does come through is the efforts to tone down what is really happening and keep the people believing all is ok.

All is not ok., everyone is saying they have not felt it so cold, so early in the season. It did this in the northern hemesphere in their winter just gone. And the very pronounced unseasonal conditions of late around Sydney. It is obviously due to displacement in my view, the warmth eating into the two poles is pushing the cold outwards towards the equators.

And even if one doubts that, the risk that it may be correct is just too great to take. Fortunately larger numbers of people are taking personal action in seeking alternatives themselves to reduce the footprint. The last to follow of course are as we have come to expect, the business controlled governments

 

[wayneL]

We all have to guard against confirmation bias plod, becoming too invested in a particular view.

As I've consistently noted, while Nero fiddles Rome burns. That is to say that while the world is focused on the largely politicised issue of co2 emissions, all sorts of other issues are ignored.

A pox on the Goreists house for that (IMNTBCHO)

 

[explod]

We all have to guard against confirmation bias plod, becoming too invested in a particular view.

As I've consistently noted, while Nero fiddles Rome burns. That is to say that while the world is focused on the largely politicised issue of co2 emissions, all sorts of other issues are ignored.

A pox on the Goreists house for that (IMNTBCHO)

Agreed, population growth, business expansionism and reduction of rainforests. However the pollution of the air we breath leads the pack in my view. A reversal of Thatcherism would help but those things effecting the climate (and even possibility of CO2 reduction can be changed without too much economic pain, particularly with the same sort of subsidisation that has supported coal and oil production.

 

[trainspotter]

And the problem with this notion is exactly what again?

Dr Lomborg has been accused of cherrypicking data to understate the threat of climate change, and has questioned whether the benefits of efforts to curb climate change justify the costs. He believes funding would be better spent on adapting to changing conditions, investing in renewable technology and tackling poverty.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...consensus-centre/story-fn84fgcm-1227319401918

 

[basilio]

And the problem with this notion is exactly what again?

Dr Lomborg has been accused of cherrypicking data to understate the threat of climate change, and has questioned whether the benefits of efforts to curb climate change justify the costs. He believes funding would be better spent on adapting to changing conditions, investing in renewable technology and tackling poverty.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...-1227319401918

Because in the real world we deal with risk management not certainty. Dr Lomborg is taking the view that CC will only pose small to moderate problems. Currently almost everyone else in the field looks at the evidence and believe the risks of severe to catastrophic outcomes are very real.

When does it make sense to ignore the overwhelming views of experts in the field in such a critical issue in favour of one of very small group of outliers who hold a different opinion?

It doesn't help when the outliers chose to cheery pick their data and ignore the wider picture of what is happening.

 

[noco]

And the problem with this notion is exactly what again?


Because in the real world we deal with risk management not certainty. Dr Lomborg is taking the view that CC will only pose small to moderate problems. Currently almost everyone else in the field looks at the evidence and believe the risks of severe to catastrophic outcomes are very real.

When does it make sense to ignore the overwhelming views of experts in the field in such a critical issue in favour of one of very small group of outliers who hold a different opinion?

It doesn't help when the outliers chose to cheery pick their data and ignore the wider picture of what is happening.

Catastrophic outcomes?????

Experts like Tim Flannery who said there never be enough rains to fill the dams in Brisbane Sydney and Melbourne.

The Labor states took his "EXPERT" advice and spent billions of dollars on desalinization plants that are now in mothballs....He should have advised them to build more dams.

Flannery's advice certainly did not make any sense.

 

[explod]

Catastrophic outcomes?????

Experts like Tim Flannery who said there never be enough rains to fill the dams in Brisbane Sydney and Melbourne.

The Labor states took his "EXPERT" advice and spent billions of dollars on desalinization plants that are now in mothballs....He should have advised them to build more dams.

Flannery's advice certainly did not make any sense.

The same old same old noco, critise the past (like you do about Gvt. debt) and ignore the real issues for solutions for the future.

The scientists did not factor in the earths ability to take in heat causing the current displacement and therefore increased cloud, rain and more intense storms. As said in a post a couple of days back, the scale and complexity of climate change is a very difficult one even for the best of science. But we can from our own skins see and feel the changes now occurring. Days for denial are gone, we have to do something.

 

[noco]

The same old same old noco, critise the past (like you do about Gvt. debt) and ignore the real issues for solutions for the future.

The scientists did not factor in the earths ability to take in heat causing the current displacement and therefore increased cloud, rain and more intense storms. As said in a post a couple of days back, the scale and complexity of climate change is a very difficult one even for the best of science. But we can from our own skins see and feel the changes now occurring. Days for denial are gone, we have to do something.

Oh dear, I have hit another nerve in the Fabian back bone.

Townsville has had the driest 4 month in 2015 ( less than 300 mm) since 1914 when records first started......Global Warming....sorry Climate Change or something like that...What do you think?????????????...Too much man made CO2...No it could not have been in 1914 we did not have as much CO2 polluting the air then.

On the 10th January 1998 we had 600 mm of rain in 12 hours.

More floods in Brisbane and Sydney...All the dams are full to overflowing.

 

[basilio]

NOCO you are cherry picking again and frankly not even understanding how dangerous even your cherry picked "facts" are.

No our dams havn't gone dry. Great. Perhaps you might care look further afield at California or Brazil. Does that information cause you to rethink ?

And yes we do have fantastic floods these days. In fact we have had some of the most damaging floods in Australia in recorded history. CC is about weather extremes as well as a general increase in temperature.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/23/brazil-worst-drought-history
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...on-increase-due-to-climate-change-study-finds

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...er-california-drought-aquifers-hidden-crisis/

 

[noco]

NOCO you are cherry picking again and frankly not even understanding how dangerous even your cherry picked "facts" are.

No our dams havn't gone dry. Great. Perhaps you might care look further afield at California or Brazil. Does that information cause you to rethink ?

And yes we do have fantastic floods these days. In fact we have had some of the most damaging floods in Australia in recorded history. CC is about weather extremes as well as a general increase in temperature.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/23/brazil-worst-drought-history
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...on-increase-due-to-climate-change-study-finds

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...er-california-drought-aquifers-hidden-crisis/

Oh my gawd you don't read that communist paper the Guardian do you....I would not take too much notice of the Guardian ole chap....They are anti Liberal and very much pro Fabian

Where do you get this cherry picking from?...What I have stated is factual and you Fabians just don't like being reminded about how stupid the three Green/Labor left wing states were in accepting Flannery's prediction without some further studies.

Yes and we had fantastic floods 25, 50 and 75 years ago and I remember most of them so well....I was marooned on a sheep station for 2 weeks south of Dalby in 1951 surrounded by water...The 1974 flood in Brisbane has never been matched since....Flood water was over the roofs of so many houses in Chelmar.

Townsville is having the worst drought in 101 years....It is called climate change...You know it happens every 100, 1000 or 10,000 years...Suck it up sunshine...we will always experience climate change.

 

[wayneL]

And the problem with this notion is exactly what again?


Because in the real world we deal with risk management not certainty. Dr Lomborg is taking the view that CC will only pose small to moderate problems. Currently almost everyone else in the field looks at the evidence and believe the risks of severe to catastrophic outcomes are very real.

When does it make sense to ignore the overwhelming views of experts in the field in such a critical issue in favour of one of very small group of outliers who hold a different opinion?

It doesn't help when the outliers chose to cheery pick their data and ignore the wider picture of what is happening.

I think you should re-examine your assumptions there bas. Commenters on Cook's sight maybe, but not in the general scientific community as was shown in the expose' of the Cook et al survey.

 

[noco]

NOCO you are cherry picking again and frankly not even understanding how dangerous even your cherry picked "facts" are.

No our dams havn't gone dry. Great. Perhaps you might care look further afield at California or Brazil. Does that information cause you to rethink ?

And yes we do have fantastic floods these days. In fact we have had some of the most damaging floods in Australia in recorded history. CC is about weather extremes as well as a general increase in temperature.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/23/brazil-worst-drought-history
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...on-increase-due-to-climate-change-study-finds

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...er-california-drought-aquifers-hidden-crisis/

Here with some interesting information from the University of Alabama Huntsville.....I would much prefer to accept their version than that reported by the Guardian Newspaper.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1430373167104

I just love this comment by one poster.

To sum things up..

It may rain or it may not.

It may be warmer or it may be colder.

It may be sunny or it may be cloudy.

It may be still or it may be windy.

But whatever happens it AGW!

Now get with the religion.
curious (Reply)
Thu 30 Apr 15 (02:32pm)

 

[orr]

Here with some interesting information.....very 'Interesting'


I just love this comment by one poster.

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Luv your posts to noco, you bring all the intellectual rigger of a Building site lunch room. What is it about your fixation with Flannery? There's a couple vastly more Highly educated influential people you could pit your 'wits' against... or is it there's just 'something about Tim' ...

How are you on the laws of Thermodynamics? I think there's one that describes heat and capacity for work. To understand this law may help you with ferocity/or lack of, regarding weather. Come back when you've done your homework.
Thermal expansion is another interesting scientific law, that it seems your yet to associate yourself with. Luckily though the good many of the, schooled in engineering, ruling class of the socialist(though fabian?) Chinese Government are fully aware of this concrete reality and the vulnerability of 100's of millions of the their citizenship and all of their low level infrastructure.
Feel free to send them your 'thoughts'

 

[explod]

Luv your posts to noco, you bring all the intellectual rigger of a Building site lunch room. What is it about your fixation with Flannery? There's a couple vastly more Highly educated influential people you could pit your 'wits' against... or is it there's just 'something about Tim' ...

How are you on the laws of Thermodynamics? I think there's one that describes heat and capacity for work. To understand this law may help you with ferocity/or lack of, regarding weather. Come back when you've done your homework.
Thermal expansion is another interesting scientific law, that it seems your yet to associate yourself with. Luckily though the good many of the, schooled in engineering, ruling class of the socialist(though fabian?) Chinese Government are fully aware of this concrete reality and the vulnerability of 100's of millions of the their citizenship and all of their low level infrastructure.
Feel free to send them your 'thoughts'

Timely.

 

[noco]

Luv your posts to noco, you bring all the intellectual rigger of a Building site lunch room. What is it about your fixation with Flannery? There's a couple vastly more Highly educated influential people you could pit your 'wits' against... or is it there's just 'something about Tim' ...

How are you on the laws of Thermodynamics? I think there's one that describes heat and capacity for work. To understand this law may help you with ferocity/or lack of, regarding weather. Come back when you've done your homework.
Thermal expansion is another interesting scientific law, that it seems your yet to associate yourself with. Luckily though the good many of the, schooled in engineering, ruling class of the socialist(though fabian?) Chinese Government are fully aware of this concrete reality and the vulnerability of 100's of millions of the their citizenship and all of their low level infrastructure.
Feel free to send them your 'thoughts'

It is a shame you lefties can't face reality to the fact that 3 stupid Labor states Qld, NSW and Victoria all took Flannery seriously.

It must really hit a NERVE every time I mention his name and how he cost the tax payers in those states billions of wasted money.

But enough said...we all know the Green/Labor left wing socialists just do not know how to handle the economy whether it is state or Federal.

 

[explod]

It is a shame you lefties can't face reality to the fact that 3 stupid Labor states Qld, NSW and Victoria all took Flannery seriously.

It must really hit a NERVE every time I mention his name and how he cost the tax payers in those states billions of wasted money.

But enough said...we all know the Green/Labor left wing socialists just do not know how to handle the economy whether it is state or Federal.

A stupid post which does nothing to address the situation now or contribute to the future.

Mistakes were sure made in the past but drowning and trying to hang your hat on it all is dumb.

Lefties, greenies, so what, we are all, left right and centre part of the overall democratic community. An open exchange between us all and some acceptance that all are only trying to make our world a better place is the path dear noco.

So stop living in the past and try to be constructive ole Pal.

 

[luutzu]

global warming, melting polar icecap, extreme whether due to it or not, a heck of a lot of people will definitely die from the current energy mix we're using.

Go to any major cities, LA or Beijing or Bangkok, in the developed or the poorer countries and you can't drive around with your windows down.

People commit suicide with one car running in their garage. While the world is a much bigger garage, it also have a lot more than one car, and a lot of factories and power stations to boot.

Pretty amazing how we know that a fume will kill us in closed quarters but somehow believe it have no effect whatsoever simply because it's dispersed further and wider

 

[noco]

A stupid post which does nothing to address the situation now or contribute to the future.

Mistakes were sure made in the past but drowning and trying to hang your hat on it all is dumb.

Lefties, greenies, so what, we are all, left right and centre part of the overall democratic community. An open exchange between us all and some acceptance that all are only trying to make our world a better place is the path dear noco.

So stop living in the past and try to be constructive ole Pal.

Perhaps you should read my post# 6193 again if you are looking for something constructive or perhaps you are so involved with your own rhetoric that you did not bother to read it.

Your organization has not made Australia a better place....It has created a hell of a lot of heartache for those who now have the problem of cleaning up the mess Labor left us with their hare brain schemes.

I make no apology if I am irritating you on the stupidity of the Green/Labor socialists decisions of which you cannot deny.....The problem is you just cannot accept it.

 

[Tisme]

Partisan politics aside (and dogged baited arguing for the sake of it), has anyone here had a passing thought that the weather and natural calamities of recent years might just be atmospheric change/dirt warming/water warming symptoms?

I have to admit I am guilty of having aberrant thoughts that the USA and UK might not be able to come up with a vaccine for the weather and air quality issues that seem to be besetting us.

Noco even your beloved Liberal politicians know there are circumstances where the human stain must be set aside in favour of human welfare - e.g. a premier like Richard Court who instigated Fabian style WA Fuelwatch and outlawed sulphur and benzene in petrol (his pedigree is big L and unquestionably one himself).

Of course I could just hold out that old age will take me before we have the inevitable wars/crime that will arise when the food and water run out from crop failures, disease, poisons etc. that are predicted to occur if we are on the path to self annihilation.