Resisting Climate Hysteria

basilio · 1 May 2015

Noco, Wayne and any others interested in this topic. There is a very promising online course you enjoy

It is called "Making sense of Climate Change denial" and is run by Queensland University. So far 12,000 plus people have joined including a significant number of climate skeptics. There is room for people who have the willingness and capacity to engage in debate on the topic.

Check it out. Only an hour a week and perhaps the opportunity to test your mettle against some of the most prominent climate scientists around.

Making Sense of Climate Science Denial

Climate change is real, so why the controversy and debate? Learn to make sense of the science and to respond to climate change denial.
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Starts April 28th, 2015

Level: Introductory
Length: 7 weeks
Effort: 1-2 hours per week
Subject: Communication
Institution: UQx
Languages: English
Video Transcripts: English
Price: Free
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Basic high school science recommended.
About this course

In public discussions, climate change is a highly controversial topic. However, in the scientific community, there is little controversy with 97% of climate scientists concluding humans are causing global warming.

Why the gap between the public and scientists?
What are the psychological and social drivers of the rejection of the scientific consensus?
How has climate denial influenced public perceptions and attitudes towards climate change?

This course examines the science of climate science denial.

We will look at the most common climate myths from “global warming stopped in 1998” to “global warming is caused by the sun” to “climate impacts are nothing to worry about.”

We’ll find out what lessons are to be learnt from past climate change as well as better understand how climate models predict future climate impacts. You’ll learn both the science of climate change and the techniques used to distort the science.

With every myth we debunk, you’ll learn the critical thinking needed to identify the fallacies associated with the myth. Finally, armed with all this knowledge, you’ll learn the psychology of misinformation. This will equip you to effectively respond to climate misinformation and debunk myths.

This isn’t just a climate MOOC; it’s a MOOC about how people think about climate change.

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What you'll learn

How to recognise the social and psychological drivers of climate science denial
How to better understand climate change: the evidence that it is happening, that humans are causing it and the potential impacts
How to identify the techniques and fallacies that climate myths employ to distort climate science
How to effectively debunk climate misinformation

https://www.edx.org/course/making-sense-climate-science-denial-uqx-denial101x#!

basilio · 1 May 2015

Bit more about the Climate Change denial course

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...g-climate-change-deniers-20150430-1mwt52.html

noco · 1 May 2015

These climate change alarmist just cannot make up their minds whether Global Warming sorry, Climate Change, causes drought or heavy rains.

Flannery says the dams will never be full again and then we have this latest statement that Climate Change has caused the excessive amount of rain in Queensland and NSW filling the dams to overflowing..

I mean, they cannot have it both ways or do they want to have their cake and eat too?

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...s/full_dams_but_still_no_sorry_from_flannery/

Those storms are not what warmists told the credulous Sydney Morning Herald to expect after a huge downpour last year:

Still getting over this week’s monster storm that struck Sydney? If so, you may be comforted to know that climate scientists predict a lot fewer such events for eastern Australia as the century unfolds.

As a result of changes to atmospheric conditions, though, the frequency of such lows may drop by 40 per cent by 2100 if carbon dioxide levels continue to rise on their current high trajectory, according to Andrew Dowdy, a research scientist at the bureau.

Mind you, when Sydney does indeed get more storms, the warmist Sydney Morning Herald turns on a dime. On Wednesday it predicted global warming will actually give us more of these storms, not fewer:

explod · 1 May 2015

noco said:
These climate change alarmist just cannot make up their minds whether Global Warming sorry, Climate Change, causes drought... [/B]

97% of climate scientist's say co2 induced global warming is real and we have a problem.

You know better noco?

basilio · 1 May 2015

Well Noco if you insist on using Andrew Bolt as your source of information you will also spout BS. The guy has no integrity and just picks and distorts information to suit his case. That little piece of dribble Andrew ran by people is an excellent example.

CC isn't simple. The models predict that for Australia we will have less lows coming across the country that will reduce the overall rainfall. At the same time it will considerably warmer so the earth will dry up quicker, evaporation will increase and run off for dams will decrease.

At the same time however the extra extra heat in the atmosphere will result in more moisture being retained and therefore in storm conditions we will see heavier rains than normal.

In a nutshell. Less overall rain but some very heavy floods when it does rain. Good fun

PS Check out the Climate deniers course if you would like more detailed information thsi topic. Very enlightening

noco · 1 May 2015

basilio said:
Well Noco if you insist on using Andrew Bolt as your source of information you will also spout BS. The guy has no integrity and just picks and distorts information to suit his case. That little piece of dribble Andrew ran by people is an excellent example.

CC isn't simple. The models predict that for Australia we will have less lows coming across the country that will reduce the overall rainfall. At the same time it will considerably warmer so the earth will dry up quicker, evaporation will increase and run off for dams will decrease.

At the same time however the extra extra heat in the atmosphere will result in more moisture being retained and therefore in storm conditions we will see heavier rains than normal.

In a nutshell. Less overall rain but some very heavy floods when it does rain. Good fun

PS Check out the Climate deniers course if you would like more detailed information thsi topic. Very enlightening

It is pretty obvious that you and explod just can't accept that perhaps you and your 97% could all be wrong.

I read some time ago that the 97% was rigged...Like there were some 30,000 scientist around the world giving certain peered reviewed essays.....Someone in their wisdom decided to select a certain percentage of say that 30,000, deleting most of the deniers and making the figures look good of 97% alarmist and 3% deniers...That figure is way out.

Don't ask me to back it up at this stage but I will endeavor to track it down.

There was a crackpot many moons ago who said the Earth was flat and everyone believed him.

There are lots of people believe there is a GOD because Jesus said there is a God and many still believe it.

luutzu · 1 May 2015

noco said:
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There was a crackpot many moons ago who said the Earth was flat and everyone believed him.

There are lots of people believe there is a GOD because Jesus said there is a God and many still believe it.

And then there are those who believe farmland and cow manure and the occasional volcanic eruption also emit CO2, so what's another 1 billion cars and 2300 coal fired power plant anyway.

explod · 1 May 2015

noco said:
It is pretty obvious that you and explod just can't accept that perhaps you and your 97% could all be wrong.

And noco you cannot accept that you might be wrong either. Don't you think we should err on the side of caution and cut our co2 emmissions.

Strong indications that the innovative ideas being put into action in many places could be re-stimulating business and technology too.

And on your round flat world, those who stated it was round were ridiculed, you analogies can be read both ways, just how one wants to twist things. The real facts came out on top in the end. The warmth getting under the two ploles at the current rate is unprecedented in total history (mentioned to you a few years back to read "the Sixth Extinction") and the cold being displaced by that warmth is becoming very evident on the weather everywhere.

As in the northern hemesphere our winter in Australia is looking that it may be very cold and wild. We had snow in Victoria just last week, normally not till July, June at the earliest. Just had wettest period ever recorded in the Sydney area. It is displacement noco, and was not anticipated by the scientists. We just have to accept the reality of events opening up now.

luutzu · 1 May 2015

explod said:
And noco you cannot accept that you might be wrong either. Don't you think we should err on the side of caution and cut our co2 emmissions.

Strong indications that the innovative ideas being put into action in many places could be re-stimulating business and technology too.

And on your round flat world, those who stated it was round were ridiculed, you analogies can be read both ways, just how one wants to twist things. The real facts came out on top in the end. The warmth getting under the two ploles at the current rate is unprecedented in total history (mentioned to you a few years back to read "the Sixth Extinction") and the cold being displaced by that warmth is becoming very evident on the weather everywhere.

As in the northern hemesphere our winter in Australia is looking that it may be very cold and wild. We had snow in Victoria just last week, normally not till July, June at the earliest. Just had wettest period ever recorded in the Sydney area. It is displacement noco, and was not anticipated by the scientists. We just have to accept the reality of events opening up now.

True.

Any way you look at it, it just make a lot of sense to cut back our reliance on fossil fuel and seriously explore and innovate for alternative, cleaner and safer sources.

Heard that if the climate change enough, the gulfstream will shift and most of Europe will be living in the new ice age. Cool.

Rising sea water will also flood most deltas, salting a swath of agricultural land... and if the temperature are not right, those tiny planktons might not grow and we can kiss the oceanic food chain goodbye.

noco · 1 May 2015

explod said:
And noco you cannot accept that you might be wrong either. Don't you think we should err on the side of caution and cut our co2 emmissions.

Strong indications that the innovative ideas being put into action in many places could be re-stimulating business and technology too.

And on your round flat world, those who stated it was round were ridiculed, you analogies can be read both ways, just how one wants to twist things. The real facts came out on top in the end. The warmth getting under the two ploles at the current rate is unprecedented in total history (mentioned to you a few years back to read "the Sixth Extinction") and the cold being displaced by that warmth is becoming very evident on the weather everywhere.

As in the northern hemesphere our winter in Australia is looking that it may be very cold and wild. We had snow in Victoria just last week, normally not till July, June at the earliest. Just had wettest period ever recorded in the Sydney area. It is displacement noco, and was not anticipated by the scientists. We just have to accept the reality of events opening up now.

I think the reality is we will have to agree to disagree...You have no hope of converting me based on the true or false information.....It is all a gigantic scam as far as I am concerned.

It is a known fact Al Gore has set up some 40 companies around the world to trade ETS credits all in an endeavor to make money and don't forget he is a great mate of Tim Flannery so no doubt Flannery is in on the deal as well.

explod · 1 May 2015

noco said:
I think the reality is we will have to agree to disagree...You have no hope of converting me based on the true or false information.....It is all a gigantic scam as far as I am concerned.

It is a known fact Al Gore has set up some 40 companies around the world to trade ETS credits all in an endeavor to make money and don't forget he is a great mate of Tim Flannery so no doubt Flannery is in on the deal as well.

Did you read the Sixth Extinction as I suggested to you in the past. This book sets out what actually happened in the past and gives a solid understanding of the stark problems arising this time. A proper study of the a subject provides yardstick to understand and decide from your own posisition. The reason why a complete education, free of religion, should be a right of all young people so they may make thier own informed decisions and not what some politician tells them.

There is no scam, I have no personal gain in any of this and wish the problem was not so.

Your refusal to accept any of the possibilites tells me you have something to gain by being a denier.

noco · 1 May 2015

explod said:
Did you read the Sixth Extinction as I suggested to you in the past. This book sets out what actually happened in the past and gives a solid understanding of the stark problems arising this time. A proper study of the a subject provides yardstick to understand and decide from your own posisition. The reason why a complete education, free of religion, should be a right of all young people so they may make thier own informed decisions and not what some politician tells them.

There is no scam, I have no personal gain in any of this and wish the problem was not so.

Your refusal to accept any of the possibilites tells me you have something to gain by being a denier.

Here a link which will blow your mind apart...I do hope you read it all the way through.

http://www.climatechangefacts.info/

t is generally accepted that the Earth has been much warmer than today, for example, in the time of the dinosaurs (the mid-cretaceous period) when the CO2 was 2 to 4 times greater than today (NOAA). More recently, in the prior period between ice ages, just 125,000 years ago, the Earth also was much warmer than today and the sea level much higher - by about 13 to 20 feet (4 to 6 meters) (IPCC). The primary driver of the past climate shifts is believed to be orbital mechanics and solar variability, with some contribution from Earth geophysical processes, such as volcanic eruptions. It is also known that mankind's contribution to CO2 is just a small percent (3%) of the total amount and that the total is very small - there is 23.6 times more argon (0.009) in the atmosphere than CO2 (0.00038). The Earth's ability to absorb CO2 has apparently been underestimated and the climate models need revision per the 31 December 2009 publication of work by Wolfgang Knorr that shows "No Rise of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Fraction in Past 160 Years" (a seminal study). Lastly, we know that the Earth's temperature and the level of CO2 rise and fall roughly together, but it is not clear (not proven) whether this is cause and effect by either variable. In a first attempt (Hadley-chart) to use a CO2 - based model to predict temperatures, the results are not impressive at all and are exactly opposite observations.

explod · 2 May 2015

Of course noco, it started as just a fireball 5 billion years ago. By normal evolutionary process it is suplosed to be continually cooling down. But it is not, if anything it is warming up, get it noco, it is going the wrong way.

You just do not want to get it, it must be bad for your business or your brand of politics.

noco · 2 May 2015

explod said:
Of course noco, it started as just a fireball 5 billion years ago. By normal evolutionary process it is suplosed to be continually cooling down. But it is not, if anything it is warming up, get it noco, it is going the wrong way.

You just do not want to get it, it must be bad for your business or your brand of politics.

Firstly, I am no longer in business and secondly it has nothing to do with my politics.

I would say I have lived a lot longer than you and most likely the oldest member of ASF,I have experienced many extreme weathers in my time so in my mind it is purely common sense.

I gave you a link on the variations of alarmist and skeptics...Did read it or did you decide that your strong head is so biased that you can't accept other opinions....I think it is more your politics that is influencing your brain.

noco · 2 May 2015

I could not believe what I just read about ALARMISTS wanting legislation to ban and fine skeptics.

My gawd they are becoming desperate...What about free speech?...Have they overlooked the right for other people to express an opinion....How dare they.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...academics_want_laws_to_fine_and_ban_sceptics/

I have just part-transcribed a Melbourne University seminar where Peter Christoff [from 20 mins in video above] calls for legal bans and punitive fines on broadcasters and individuals for ‘climate denial’. This would be “based on the fact that unchecked climate denialism over time would cause loss of freedom and rights, the death of thousands of humans, the loss of entire cultures, effectively genocide , extinctions…

Since that video, shot in 2012,
there have been three more years of no warming. That’s now 18 years of no warming so far, a fact for which I presume I’d face jail for pointing out.

Note that Christoff is followed as speaker by a long-time communist union official. It says so much.

wayneL · 2 May 2015

explod said:
97% of climate scientist's say co2 induced global warming is real and we have a problem.

You know better noco?

No they don't. That has been discredited and continually using that bogus stat ( plus usage of the offensive "denier" undermines sensible debate.

When I see these two things I know I am having to then argue on religio-political, rather than scientific/logical grounds.

In fact you lose the argument without contest.

wayneL · 2 May 2015

...and they are in deeper loss if they want to silence debate via statute.

Truly Orwellian.

noco · 2 May 2015

wayneL said:
...and they are in deeper loss if they want to silence debate via statute.

Truly Orwellian.

The alarmists can't win on fair terms so they have to resort to foul means.....This is a typical communist approach if ever there was......Control the media and you control the people....Shut down debate.

luutzu · 2 May 2015

noco said:
The alarmists can't win on fair terms so they have to resort to foul means.....This is a typical communist approach if ever there was......Control the media and you control the people....Shut down debate.

Though the chance is bleak, there is hope yet that noco will see the light

At least you don't believe in God noco... there's some politicians who literally believe the world cannot go extinct because God promised Noah he'll stop flooding it after that (second?) time. So all these scientific mumbo jumbo are useless when the Bible said God said no more flooding and extinction.

wayneL · 2 May 2015

What is "the light" luutzu?

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