Resisting Climate Hysteria

[basilio]

Didn't see the program so it would be worthwhile checking it out.

Once-upon-a-time volcanoes were a major part of changing the atmosphere on the earth. However the current volcanic activity is only a tiny proportion of what people current emit through cars, power stations agriculture ect. See reference below.

As far a global warming causing greater volcanic activity. The argument goes that as the ice melted from teh last Ice Age the release of weight on the earth allowed movement in tectonic plates which then caused earthquakes and volcanoes. In theory further loss of ice will cause similar events.

http://news.sciencemag.org/earth/2011/06/scienceshot-volcano-co2-emissions-no-match-human-activity

http://www.geotimes.org/nov07/article.html?id=nn_oxygen.html

 

[trainspotter]

Eyjafjallajökull, the volcano that erupted in 2010 causing airports across Europe to close as an ash cloud drifted towards the continent allegedly spewed between 150,000 and 300,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide (CO2) per day. With European carbon market prices around the €14 per tonne mark at the time of eruption, this would mean that Eyjafjallajokull would theoretically be liable to a maximum daily bill of €4.2 million.

On the plus side of things it closed down a lot of European airports so theoretically the amount it spewed out was offset by the fact that no planes were flying thusly unable to dump their nasty CO2 into the atmosphere. Kind of like a carbon offset account but only bigger.

What about the recent changes in the price of carbon?

The EU carbon price has dropped to around AUD$4/tonne, largely because Europe’s economy is in recession. The EU has a target to reduce emissions by 20 per cent by 2020. Because of lower economic activity, the EU is expected to easily meet this target. The lower carbon price reflects this.

http://www.acfonline.org.au/news-me...opean-carbon-prices-–-your-questions-answered

It is a tradeable commodity ... yeppers does a lot of good for the economy

 

[wayneL]

I would like
if it is allowed?
to join Basilio there.
Wayne,
Learning you are a moderator in this forum is a shock as in my opinion it is incompatible with your extreme position on climate change.
Whether you understand science or not,and have a view or not on this subject should not influence your acts within that role.
Personally, you can think what you want, some people still are creationists and other are fanatic muslims hammering their foreheads everyday, so whatever
but the moderator role should be seen as the impartial judge.
my 20c

So much to say here and so little time to say it. What little time I have to play at the moment, is spent in the option threads, so will come back to this later.

One point however, A moderator is not a judge. A moderator is a voluntary position to help the forum administrators, to vicariously maintain how they want it run.

If being a moderator mean that one cannot contribute to the discussion or have an opinion, I don't think there would ever be moderators, not voluntary ones anyway. So you are incorrect on that point.

 

[sails]

So much to say here and so little time to say it. What little time I have to play at the moment, is spent in the option threads, so will come back to this later.

One point however, A moderator is not a judge. A moderator is a voluntary position to help the forum administrators, to vicariously maintain how they want it run.

If being a moderator mean that one cannot contribute to the discussion or have an opinion, I don't think there would ever be moderators, not voluntary ones anyway. So you are incorrect on that point.

+20

It seems the way the left work. Attack a person with whom they do not agree rather than discuss the subject.

 

[spooly74]

Global warming could lead to snakes as long as BUSES and horses shrinking to the size of CATS, scientists warn

Hmmm, No mention of pigs with wings?

 

[trainspotter]

http://youtu.be/00Y9EZDdpUw

Hmmmmmm ... are they mad? Do they not know the sky is falling? No wait ... the earth is getting hotter? No wait ... the ice caps are melting? No wait ... islands will be flooded as the sea levels are rising? No wait ... maybe we were wrong?

The science is nowhere near understood, let alone settled.

On whether global warming has stopped, Hans von Storch says: “No. We don’t expect that. But it is indeed true that we have seen a considerably reduced warming trend compared to what our climate model scenarios showed over the last 15 years. We definitely have seen less warming than we expected.”

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/09...initely-have-seen-less-warming-than-expected/

Who is Hans von Storch? Why none other than the man who said this:

On 20 June 2013 Storch stated "So far, no one has been able to provide a compelling answer to why climate change seems to be taking a break. We're facing a puzzle. Recent CO2 emissions have actually risen even more steeply than we feared. As a result, according to most climate models, we should have seen temperatures rise by around 0.25 degrees Celsius (0.45 degrees Fahrenheit) over the past 10 years. That hasn't happened. In fact, the increase over the last 15 years was just 0.06 degrees Celsius (0.11 degrees Fahrenheit) -- a value very close to zero. This is a serious scientific problem that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will have to confront when it presents its next Assessment Report late next year."

Also has a few credentials as a German climate scientist. He is a Professor at the Meteorological Institute of the University of Hamburg, and (since 2001) Director of the Institute for Coastal Research at the Helmholtz Research Centre (previously: GKSS Research Center) in Geesthacht, Germany. He is a member of the advisory boards of the journals Journal of Climate and Annals of Geophysics.

 

[macca]

I shouldn't laugh as the poor fellow is out of a job but Tim Flannery of all people to be saying "listen to the experts". Never has one person made so many incorrect forecasts and retained employment by the Labor Government

His response to John Howard's speech is here

'Particularly prime ministers should be reading the science and should be familiarising themselves with what the experts are saying rather than what some commentator happens to be saying,'' Professor Flannery said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...catastrophe-20131106-2wzza.html#ixzz2jvovgHZA

As JH was saying that people will exaggerate to get more funding I don't think anyone could argue with that about any research project.

 

[trainspotter]

Now National Geographic is getting on the bandwagon !

http://www.news.com.au/technology/s...ional-geographic/story-fn5fsgyc-1226755030317

FIVE major cities would be wiped out and Australia will be inundated by an inland sea the size of Ireland, maps showing the devastating effect of global warming have revealed.
No longer a nation girt by sea, we could well be a nation consumed by sea.
The interactive maps - released by National Geographic - demonstrate the catastrophic effect Earth's ice could cause if it melted and flowed into the oceans and seas.

Might mention that all the ice caps would have to melt simultaneously to increase the sea level by 220 feet or so? Also it would take more than 5000 years to happen.

 

[burglar]

...

Aquaculture ...

I see water sports ... fishing, boating ...

Tourism too.

And Australia will be further away from New Zealand, so we could increase airfares.

It's not all bad!

 

[medicowallet]

And there I was last week wondering at how many revs and for how many kms I would have to drive the Prado so that Tassie would be inundated with the polar ice melt.

Looks like my fantasy will never come true.

Is life worth living?

MW

 

[drsmith]

Aquaculture ...

I see water sports ... fishing, boating ...

Tourism too.

Is that a distant stampede I hear to buy future marina lots on the edge of the Lake Eyre basin ?

At least we fare better than Florida,

 

[basilio]

These maps of what the world would look like if all the ice melted with increases in global temperature have been around for a few years now. I know that Al Gore used some of the material in his 2006 presentation.

We don't have to wait for 5000 years though to see drama. One to two metre rises in the next 100 plus years would cause serious problems for coastal cities.

There is a really cool interactive map that shows the effects of increases from 1-70 metres all around the world.

The issue with GW is not just the fact that sea levels would rise by say a metre in a century. If as is expected global temperatures do continue to increase we are certain to see a continuing increasingly rapid rise in ocean levels. So it wouldn't be a matter of just rebuilding on land 2 metres higher because that would become vulnerable within another 50 years or less. And there is also evidence that in the recent past there were examples of very rapid rises in sea levels as temperatures soared.

Coral Links Ice Sheet Collapse to Ancient 'Mega Flood'

Apr. 3, 2012 ”” Coral off Tahiti has linked the collapse of massive ice sheets 14,600 years ago to a dramatic and rapid rise in global sea-levels of around 14 metres.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120403135516.htm

http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Special:SeaLevel

 

[basilio]

Just spent a few more minutes looking over the information on the

http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Special:SeaLevel website.

Very impressive work and well worth checking out .

 

[wayneL]

Don't worry basilio, Nibiru will get us before climate change

 

[trainspotter]

Based upon these hard hitting facts I am off to Uluru to negotiate with the traditional owners to purchase that big hunk of red rock to build my next house on!

 

[wayneL]

TS, I think it could be prevented with an interplanetary proximity tax, or perhaps a planetary passage trading scheme.

Australia must show the way on this !

 

[Logique]

...FIVE major cities would be wiped out and Australia will be inundated by an inland sea the size of Ireland.....[/B

This poll on Tim Blair's blog is hilarious:
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/roast_that_city/
Which city deserves to be destroyed by global warming?

The punters have made good choices, although a bit harsh on Adelaide.

Welcome back btw.

 

[trainspotter]

TS, I think it could be prevented with an interplanetary proximity tax, or perhaps a planetary passage trading scheme.

Australia must show the way on this !

Time to assemble the old cast then? Bruce Willis, Ben Affleck, Billy Bob Thornton, Liv Tyler, Owen Wilson, Will Patton, Peter Stormare, William Fichtner, Michael Clarke Duncan, Keith David and Steve Buscemi. Armageddon

A massive meteor shower destroys the Space Shuttle Atlantis and bombards New York City, America's East Coast, and Finland. NASA discovers that a rogue comet the size of Texas passed through the asteroid belt and pushed forward a large amount of space debris. The Texas-sized asteroid itself will collide with Earth in eighteen days, creating another extinction event. NASA scientists, led by Dan Truman (Thornton), plan to bury a nuclear device deep inside the asteroid that, when detonated, will split the asteroid in two, driving the pieces apart so both will fly safely past the Earth.

Australia did not even get a mention in this flick? No wait ... out of the window of the space shuttle .. is that ... is that my house on top of Uluru? :

 

[trainspotter]

This poll on Tim Blair's blog is hilarious:
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/roast_that_city/
Which city deserves to be destroyed by global warming?

The punters have made good choices, although a bit harsh on Adelaide.

Welcome back btw.

Canberra eh? Good choice from the public me thinks !

Thanks Logique. My sabbatical O/S was marvelous for the soul and liver.

 

[wayneL]

So you are suggesting "direct action"?

Ooo all those pseudo-Keynesian economists won't like that at all!