Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

Basilio

The representations you have just made are utterly mendacious, as per detailed repeatedly already.

You should have a good think about that, and your intellectual integrity.

Lying is never a valid substitute for fair representation of thought and data. You should stop doing it.

 

[Calliope]

This thread is called Resisting Climate Hysteria. It's major purpose has been to denigrate the scientific community and the evidence its offers on this topic. Hence "the issue that isn't real".

Please don't desert the thread basilio. You are our chief anthropogenic climate change hysteric. Without you the thread would be redundant.

 

[basilio]

Basilio

The representations you have just made are utterly mendacious, as per detailed repeatedly already.

You should have a good think about that, and your intellectual integrity.

Lying is never a valid substitute for fair representation of thought and data. You should stop doing it.

Lets be clear Wayne. A discussion about the effects of CC policy, the effects of CC on the Australian landscape and the appropriate public policy actions are totally fair comment in a general politic thread.

I'm not the liar in this discourse.

 

[wayneL]

Lets be clear Wayne. A discussion about the effects of CC policy, the effects of CC on the Australian landscape and the appropriate public policy actions are totally fair comment in a general politic thread.

I'm not the liar in this discourse.

When misrepresentations are made, it does indeed.

 

[basilio]

When misrepresentations are made, it does indeed.

Not sure what you are saying here Wayne. ? I thought I accurately reflected my comments /observations about your request to cease discussion of anything to do with CC policy or government action in The Abbott Gov thread.

My view of the situation is that you and perhaps other members cannot accept even the possibility ie risk, that we are heading for much warmer times. In that sense you arn't prepared to even have CC comments made in that thread - or indeed anywhere else except clearly delineated places.

The fact is the consequences of CC are going to affect many, many aspects of our lives. It is only an academic discussion if nothing significant will ever happen. Is that what you and majority of members of this forum are saying? Nothing to worry about here ? All just an overblown fantasy ?

By teh way calling each other liars is not cool. I shouldn't have made the comments I did.

 

[wayneL]

Look, this is my last word on CC/policy interface:

Some of the longest and most contentious threads on ASF are Climate Change related. As it seems impossible to discuss CC policy without also including the emotive tag-words, such as denier etc, any discussion on the topic could go off policy and onto science/propaganda/etc very quickly, which for that thread is off topic.

The request from CanOz and subsequently myself to take it elsewhere was fair and politely asked. As mods we try to keep things relatively on track. You've had enough latitude to register your feelings, it is time to move on.

The topic of CC policy in the Abbott government deserves discussion and that is encouraged and probably deserves its own thread and I invite you to do just that. Or, this thread can suffice if opening a new thread is too philosophically repugnant for whatever reason.

 

[trainspotter]

Not sure what you are saying here Wayne. ? I thought I accurately reflected my comments /observations about your request to cease discussion of anything to do with CC policy or government action in The Abbott Gov thread.

My view of the situation is that you and perhaps other members cannot accept even the possibility ie risk, that we are heading for much warmer times.

By teh way calling each other liars is not cool. I shouldn't have made the comments I did.

1xa) Clear and concise communication.
2xa) Risk = Reward ... 50/50 on this one. YES, yes, yes ... records have been broken on temperature levels in CERTAIN parts of Australalia. Good to be concerned but stick to the facts.
3xa) Spelling error ... Erratum ... Dos not compute calling each other Liars?

:aus:

 

[Calliope]

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor's pre-election position remained unchanged.

“Labor believes climate change is real and demands strong and sensible action,” he said through a spokesman.

- See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...y-e6frg6xf-1226748889136#sthash.UNojzdWL.dpuf

And the spokesman should have added; "And our best course of strong and sensible action is to concede that there is nothing any political party, hysterical econuts, or even a 1000 peer-reviewed scientists can do to reverse it. So all we can do is to try to mitigate any effects".

It could have breathed a bit of life into a moribund party.

 

[basilio]

The short story on climate change.

After all the argy bargy about what is happening with CC it's a blessed relief to have a simple, succinct story that accurately sums up the current state of play with the topic.

And naturally of course its News Corp that is able to provide this information. Andrew Bolt is no doubt pleased that he isn't alone in his analysis of the situation.

Be

10 simple points about climate change
Newscomau iPad app

October 31, 2013


Many of us have been sucked into a divisive debate. Picture: The Day After Tomorrow: Source: NewsComAu

CLIMATE change is confusing. It's either the end of the world and we're all going to die. Or it's an overblown threat involving "warmists" and the "IPCC".

If you feel like you don't fully understand what's going on, you're not alone.

Plenty of people have an opinion on what is happening. But what are the facts and how does it affect you?

http://www.news.com.au/technology/e...t-climate-change/story-fnjwvztl-1226750488131

 

[wayneL]

The short story on climate change.

After all the argy bargy about what is happening with CC it's a blessed relief to have a simple, succinct story that accurately sums up the current state of play with the topic.

And naturally of course its News Corp that is able to provide this information. Andrew Bolt is no doubt pleased that he isn't alone in his analysis of the situation.

Be


http://www.news.com.au/technology/e...t-climate-change/story-fnjwvztl-1226750488131

Accurately?

... and right at the bottom is:

(Source: skepticalscience.com)

IOW worthless advocacy.... propaganda.

pfffft

 

[Whiskers]

I think I probably posted a bit of long range weather forecast for SE Aus some years ago about Inigo Jones and his forecast of the early 2000 drought to within a year or so, made about 40 odd years earlier.

My sources based on Inigo Jones methods and cycles influenced mainly from solar activity, said 2011 to 2013 was going to be on the poor end of rainfall... and seems to be the case.

As for the future... 2014 to 2016 should be good rainfall and maybe a bit lighter from 2017 through 2020.

The next bad drought looks like about 2025.

Inigo Jones and his successors have better than 70% accuracy in forecasting seasonal weather for growing regions.

When the Climate Change lobby can start to come close to that, that is when they actually give a seasonl rainfall forecast for a set time frame in advance as opposed to generalisations like the dry periods will be drier and the wet, wetter... then I'll start taking notice of them.

 

[basilio]

Accurately?

... and right at the bottom is:



IOW worthless advocacy.... propaganda.

pfffft

Yep it's a real shame when even News Corp starts using real scientists for their references instead of the ratbag rubbish endlessly recycled by Bolt and yourself.

You know Wayne I can't recall the last time you actually discussed any piece of research in this topic. Just for the sake of introducing some reality into this conversation what did you think of the recent research which identifies the Arctic as the warmest its been for 120,000 years ?

The last time the Arctic was this warm was 120,000 years ago

New research is the first to present physical evidence that indicates the warming in the eastern Canadian Arctic exceeds the peak warmth during the Holocene epoch

Average summer temperatures in the Eastern Canadian Arctic during the past 100 years are hotter than they have been in at least 44,000 years, and possibly as long as 120,000 years, according to a new study. The study of mosses emerging from beneath receding glaciers on Baffin Island ”” the world's fifth-largest island located west of Greenland ”” confirms that rapid Arctic warming has already put parts of the region in new climatic territory.

Arctic warming is transforming the Far North by melting sea and land ice, speeding spring snowmelt, and acidifying the Arctic Ocean. Arctic warming may even be redirecting the jet stream in the northern midlatitudes, making some types of extreme weather events more likely in the U.S. and Europe.

On Baffin Island, glaciers have been receding approximately 6.5 to 10 feet per year, and they are likely to be gone entirely within the next few centuries if current trends continue, said lead author Gifford Miller of the University of Colorado at Boulder.

The new research, published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, is the first to present physical evidence that indicates the warming in the Eastern Canadian Arctic exceeds the peak warmth during the Holocene epoch, which began after the last Ice Age ended about 11,700 years ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/31/last-time-arctic-warm-120000-years-ago

 

[trainspotter]

Yep it's a real shame when even News Corp starts using real scientists for their references instead of the ratbag rubbish endlessly recycled by Bolt and yourself.

You know Wayne I can't recall the last time you actually discussed any piece of research in this topic. Just for the sake of introducing some reality into this conversation what did you think of the recent research which identifies the Arctic as the warmest its been for 120,000 years ?

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/31/last-time-arctic-warm-120000-years-ago

Just lol at this one .... "The new research, published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, is the first to present physical evidence that indicates the warming in the Eastern Canadian Arctic exceeds the peak warmth during the Holocene epoch, which began after the last Ice Age ended about 11,700 years ago."

Europe has its coldest ever event ?

Oct 9 (Reuters) - Northern and continental Europe are expected to see a possibly colder than normal December followed by a milder than normal set-up in the second half of the 2013/14 winter, German meteorologist Georg Mueller said in a monthly report.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/09/europe-weather-forecast-idUSL6N0HZ19Q20131009

11,700 years ago? Cant pick the weather within 48hours ... how they gonna predict 11,700 years in advance?

 

[wayneL]

Yep it's a real shame when even News Corp starts using real scientists for their references instead of the ratbag rubbish endlessly recycled by Bolt and yourself.

We have demonstrated that the "scientists" in question do not have integrity, therefore not to be relied on for information.

You know Wayne I can't recall the last time you actually discussed any piece of research in this topic.

This is because of your raging cognitive biases.

Just for the sake of introducing some reality into this conversation what did you think of the recent research which identifies the Arctic as the warmest its been for 120,000 years ?




http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/31/last-time-arctic-warm-120000-years-ago

This piece of "research" has been roundly taken down by the like of Curry, Easterbrook, Bouldin ET AL

Basically, it should be chucked in the rubbish. Such crap is not useful at all in the study of climate change and your description of it as reality reveals above mentioned bias, AT BEST. That you endorse this in the face of the avalanche of take downs shows something about your lack of analytical ability on this topic.

FFS why can't we have some good research instead of politicized advocacy designed to get a headline?

 

[basilio]

That was a really special piece of work Wayne in response to my post.

So I'm waiting... I'm waiting for the stunned world wide response to the announcement of Curry and Co that the peer reviewed paper which shows how warm the Arctic is in comparison to 120,000 years ago is demonstrable garbage. (But that will never happen will it because the entire CC scientific community is in a conspiracy to prevent any challenge to their carefully constructed deceit aren't they ?

I'm waiting (with bated breath) for the day you ever give any Climate Scientist who suggest we have a problem any credence.

Overall of course what a remarkable way to deal with any and all research that suggests we have a CC problem

Step 1. Trash the scientists in general. We have "demonstrated" the scientists have no integrity.. Therefore they cannot be believed.

Step 2 Say that Curry and Co have "taken done" that research. It's rubbish. (Don't worry about references or any other support from wider scientific community. You don't need evidence you just need authoritative sounding BS when taking down years of painstaking research.)

Step3. Personal attack. If I actually believe/quote anything these CC scientists say I am a fool.

Welcome to bedlam. Absolutely no point in having a constructive discussion on this forum with you Wayne. You'll just go Step 1,2,3 in endless repetition.

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PS I hope you are proud of your work Wayne because I'm considering reposting your response on a few other blogs - just to let everyone know of the intellectual acuity of this forum.

It should also be useful for the other CC trolls who like to sound knowledgeable while they deny any science that suggests we have a problem. Might be a good way to pick up new members!!

 

[qldfrog]

I would like
if it is allowed?
to join Basilio there.
Wayne,
Learning you are a moderator in this forum is a shock as in my opinion it is incompatible with your extreme position on climate change.
Whether you understand science or not,and have a view or not on this subject should not influence your acts within that role.
Personally, you can think what you want, some people still are creationists and other are fanatic muslims hammering their foreheads everyday, so whatever
but the moderator role should be seen as the impartial judge.
my 20c

 

[orr]

Nailed it "frog"

Wayne,
Learning you are a moderator in this forum is....

On my reading of what goes on, increasingly, in this 'Forum', this is just a confirmation of my bias.
The ingulfing blackness of the decent into dust bin of irrelavnce....

 

[macca]

Did anyone else watch the show on SBS on Monday night on Volcanoes ?

Quite a good show, they explained how the earth was a frozen blob in space until volcanoes erupted and warmed the world up. They said that the release of CO2 created an atmosphere which in turn lead to the development of life as we know it.

It seems that there is one volcano in Africa that emits more CO2 than all of the European industries and people combined. They also said there is about 20 times more volcanic activity now than in the last Ice Age. They felt that perhaps Global Warming is causing the volcanoes to erupt more.

What I don't get is if volcanoes were the original cause for the world to warm up and we now have more volcanic activity than in the past, wouldn't it be logical that volcanoes are warming the world now ?

 

[MrBurns]

Did anyone else watch the show on SBS on Monday night on Volcanoes ?

Quite a good show, they explained how the earth was a frozen blob in space until volcanoes erupted and warmed the world up. They said that the release of CO2 created an atmosphere which in turn lead to the development of life as we know it.

It seems that there is one volcano in Africa that emits more CO2 than all of the European industries and people combined. They also said there is about 20 times more volcanic activity now than in the last Ice Age. They felt that perhaps Global Warming is causing the volcanoes to erupt more.

What I don't get is if volcanoes were the original cause for the world to warm up and we now have more volcanic activity than in the past, wouldn't it be logical that volcanoes are warming the world now ?

That makes sense.

 

[Ijustnewit]

Did anyone else watch the show on SBS on Monday night on Volcanoes ?

Quite a good show, they explained how the earth was a frozen blob in space until volcanoes erupted and warmed the world up. They said that the release of CO2 created an atmosphere which in turn lead to the development of life as we know it.

It seems that there is one volcano in Africa that emits more CO2 than all of the European industries and people combined. They also said there is about 20 times more volcanic activity now than in the last Ice Age. They felt that perhaps Global Warming is causing the volcanoes to erupt more.

What I don't get is if volcanoes were the original cause for the world to warm up and we now have more volcanic activity than in the past, wouldn't it be logical that volcanoes are warming the world now ?

I nearly fell off my chair when they said " That Global Warming was causing more eruptions".
I thought the rest of the program was really interesting , but Global Warming now causing volcanoes to erupt ...please explain.