wayneL
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This thread is called Resisting Climate Hysteria. It's major purpose has been to denigrate the scientific community and the evidence its offers on this topic. Hence "the issue that isn't real".
Basilio
The representations you have just made are utterly mendacious, as per detailed repeatedly already.
You should have a good think about that, and your intellectual integrity.
Lying is never a valid substitute for fair representation of thought and data. You should stop doing it.
Lets be clear Wayne. A discussion about the effects of CC policy, the effects of CC on the Australian landscape and the appropriate public policy actions are totally fair comment in a general politic thread.
I'm not the liar in this discourse.
When misrepresentations are made, it does indeed.
Not sure what you are saying here Wayne. ? I thought I accurately reflected my comments /observations about your request to cease discussion of anything to do with CC policy or government action in The Abbott Gov thread.
My view of the situation is that you and perhaps other members cannot accept even the possibility ie risk, that we are heading for much warmer times.
By teh way calling each other liars is not cool. I shouldn't have made the comments I did.
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor's pre-election position remained unchanged.
“Labor believes climate change is real and demands strong and sensible action,” he said through a spokesman.
10 simple points about climate change
Newscomau iPad app
October 31, 2013
Many of us have been sucked into a divisive debate. Picture: The Day After Tomorrow: Source: NewsComAu
CLIMATE change is confusing. It's either the end of the world and we're all going to die. Or it's an overblown threat involving "warmists" and the "IPCC".
If you feel like you don't fully understand what's going on, you're not alone.
Plenty of people have an opinion on what is happening. But what are the facts and how does it affect you?
The short story on climate change.
After all the argy bargy about what is happening with CC it's a blessed relief to have a simple, succinct story that accurately sums up the current state of play with the topic.
And naturally of course its News Corp that is able to provide this information. Andrew Bolt is no doubt pleased that he isn't alone in his analysis of the situation.
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http://www.news.com.au/technology/e...t-climate-change/story-fnjwvztl-1226750488131
(Source: skepticalscience.com)
Accurately?
... and right at the bottom is:
IOW worthless advocacy.... propaganda.
pfffft
The last time the Arctic was this warm was 120,000 years ago
New research is the first to present physical evidence that indicates the warming in the eastern Canadian Arctic exceeds the peak warmth during the Holocene epoch
Average summer temperatures in the Eastern Canadian Arctic during the past 100 years are hotter than they have been in at least 44,000 years, and possibly as long as 120,000 years, according to a new study. The study of mosses emerging from beneath receding glaciers on Baffin Island ”” the world's fifth-largest island located west of Greenland ”” confirms that rapid Arctic warming has already put parts of the region in new climatic territory.
Arctic warming is transforming the Far North by melting sea and land ice, speeding spring snowmelt, and acidifying the Arctic Ocean. Arctic warming may even be redirecting the jet stream in the northern midlatitudes, making some types of extreme weather events more likely in the U.S. and Europe.
On Baffin Island, glaciers have been receding approximately 6.5 to 10 feet per year, and they are likely to be gone entirely within the next few centuries if current trends continue, said lead author Gifford Miller of the University of Colorado at Boulder.
The new research, published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, is the first to present physical evidence that indicates the warming in the Eastern Canadian Arctic exceeds the peak warmth during the Holocene epoch, which began after the last Ice Age ended about 11,700 years ago.
Yep it's a real shame when even News Corp starts using real scientists for their references instead of the ratbag rubbish endlessly recycled by Bolt and yourself.
You know Wayne I can't recall the last time you actually discussed any piece of research in this topic. Just for the sake of introducing some reality into this conversation what did you think of the recent research which identifies the Arctic as the warmest its been for 120,000 years ?
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/31/last-time-arctic-warm-120000-years-ago
Yep it's a real shame when even News Corp starts using real scientists for their references instead of the ratbag rubbish endlessly recycled by Bolt and yourself.
This is because of your raging cognitive biases.You know Wayne I can't recall the last time you actually discussed any piece of research in this topic.
Just for the sake of introducing some reality into this conversation what did you think of the recent research which identifies the Arctic as the warmest its been for 120,000 years ?
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/31/last-time-arctic-warm-120000-years-ago
Wayne,
Learning you are a moderator in this forum is....
Did anyone else watch the show on SBS on Monday night on Volcanoes ?
Quite a good show, they explained how the earth was a frozen blob in space until volcanoes erupted and warmed the world up. They said that the release of CO2 created an atmosphere which in turn lead to the development of life as we know it.
It seems that there is one volcano in Africa that emits more CO2 than all of the European industries and people combined. They also said there is about 20 times more volcanic activity now than in the last Ice Age. They felt that perhaps Global Warming is causing the volcanoes to erupt more.
What I don't get is if volcanoes were the original cause for the world to warm up and we now have more volcanic activity than in the past, wouldn't it be logical that volcanoes are warming the world now ?
Did anyone else watch the show on SBS on Monday night on Volcanoes ?
Quite a good show, they explained how the earth was a frozen blob in space until volcanoes erupted and warmed the world up. They said that the release of CO2 created an atmosphere which in turn lead to the development of life as we know it.
It seems that there is one volcano in Africa that emits more CO2 than all of the European industries and people combined. They also said there is about 20 times more volcanic activity now than in the last Ice Age. They felt that perhaps Global Warming is causing the volcanoes to erupt more.
What I don't get is if volcanoes were the original cause for the world to warm up and we now have more volcanic activity than in the past, wouldn't it be logical that volcanoes are warming the world now ?
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