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Resisting Climate Hysteria

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Very good post Smurf1976.

Close to what I feel and observe for my vibe but cannot express it as well as that.

The cause is not defined but when it is I argue it will be too late to save humans. We in fact should be throwing our car keys away, turning off the tellie and living in the dark now, anything else is gambling the future.

Some people are in fact living that way happily; as long as you can get a feed have shelter and enjoy the odd wellington boot.
 

And stuffing investors in WHC around with solar powered notebooks and mobile phones using sophisticated forgery software.

Give us a break plod, yer dreamin.

gg
 
wayneL said:
referring to me as a denier, despite my oft stated position on the matter.
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Stated or otherwise the venom you impart at times suggests that you have no truck with the take of those believing (as opposed to knowing) that fossil fuel burning is the cause. You do I know accept that we may have a warming problem, your issue is the source.

I do feel (another vibe) that your type of business or philosophy causes a scotoma effect on your intuitive values.

The overbearing tone in addition to your official role to vet on ASF is in my view a considerable conflict. As much as you want to be involved I would be standing aside.

This debate is a very important and no one should feel encumbered.
 

I have not used or implied any moderation on this thread Plod, nor will I when I am involved in a conversation. Nor will I accept that because of my role, that I should stand aside from any conversation I am interested in.

As basilio's and your continued bile filled attacks and misrepresentations show, there is no feeling of restraint on your part either.

I believe your attempted slur here is disgraceful.
 
wayneL said:
I believe your attempted slur here is disgraceful.
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Have another read, not a slur at all, you do a very good and probably thankless job.

But I would be surprised if others do not agree that you can be condescending. Yes a bit sharp on it myself but not with any billigerant tone, in my vw; I try, but often fail, to explain it.

off topic now, happy to continue elsewhere
 
Personally, I gave up all hope of cutting emissions once I realised two things:

1. How fiat money works and that it requires constant growth, noting the huge forces any change is up against.

2. That those opposing globalisation have essentially lost that battle and that the likes of China, India etc are indeed industrialising.

The sheer scale of it all is the problem. A generation ago there was some concern about the amount of fuel, particularly oil and gas, being used (particularly in "non-critical" things like power generation). Now look at the massive ramp up of LNG going on right now - it makes the amount of gas we burn at Torrens Island (the largest gas-fired power station in Australia, located in Adelaide) seem absolutely trivial by comparison. And yet 30 years ago there was real concern by the SA government about the amount of gas being used there.

Same goes for coal. The increase in coal mining and use makes all "old" uses seem trivial. What's the point worrying about Hazelwood power station (which generates about 20% of Victoria's electricity) being 10% less efficient than a more modern plant when China is building a new plant that size every week or two anyway?

It's pointless to pretend that we can actually do something about this one. At best, it's like using a water pistol against a raging bushfire. A slight slowing of the disaster (at best) but everything still ends up being burnt, even if it is all of 3 seconds later than it otherwise would have happened.

If CO2 causes warming then we're going to have warming. The best we can do now is plan to cope with that as best we can.
 
From Der Spiegal: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/...-fuer-pause-der-klimaerwaermung-a-877941.html


IOW

 
wayneL said:
From Der Spiegal: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/...-fuer-pause-der-klimaerwaermung-a-877941.html
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English translation of link.


That was a good read, thanks!
 
We in N.Queensland, are waiting to get pissed upon by the monsoon.

It's a little late.

Then it is some years.

I think the global warming crew have overstretched themselves.

gg
 
Smurf1976 said:
Personally, I gave up all hope of cutting emissions once I realised two things: ...

... If CO2 causes warming then we're going to have warming. The best we can do now is plan to cope with that as best we can.
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Onya Smurf, best post I've seen on the topic!
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
A very uninteresting site.

I respect bom.gov.au even though only warmists get promoted therein.

The scientists make sense there, the ones who do science, not promotion.

Give it a go.
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Weatherzone has a very large forum community of active weather enthusiasts, including people such as Anthony Cornelius and Jeffrey Higgins. Some of the individuals certainly seem qualified and worth reading. Even the CMC found them interesting.

How interesting that you would find such a site about weather with informed people uninteresting.
 

I'll look at the site more fully when I'm not cleaning me gutters and preparing for ****loads of rain.

On the link you sent me to, the page to which I went, it looked like a winkey wankey bird convention.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I'll look at the site more fully when I'm not cleaning me gutters and preparing for ****loads of rain.

On the link you sent me to, the page to which I went, it looked like a winkey wankey bird convention.
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Sorry if I got the page wrong, the link is meant to send you to the specific thread for the major rain event you are experiencing. There are a lot of people posting their realtime observations, updated graphs, etc.

Good luck and I hope any damage is minimal.
 

Thanks mate.

I'll look at the site down the track and get back.

gg
 
Excellent new book that introduces the science behind Climate Change as part of introductory science courses.


http://www.springer.com/environment/book/978-94-007-5756-1
 
basilio said:
Excellent new book that introduces the science behind Climate Change as part of introductory science courses.
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Obviously just more indoctrination.

 
Hoped you would spot that Calliope. Always makes sense to identify exactly what lies are being told by the various range of skeptics and outright deniers. I believe they take great pains to examine as many pseudo science "facts" as possible to enable students to understand scientific practice versus hokum.

And on the topic of changing reality check out how Spencer, Watts and Co dealt with the fact that Amercia had its warmest year on record in 2012.


 
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