Resisting Climate Hysteria

[explod]

Very good post Smurf1976.

Close to what I feel and observe for my vibe but cannot express it as well as that.

The cause is not defined but when it is I argue it will be too late to save humans. We in fact should be throwing our car keys away, turning off the tellie and living in the dark now, anything else is gambling the future.

Some people are in fact living that way happily; as long as you can get a feed have shelter and enjoy the odd wellington boot.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Very good post Smurf1976.

Close to what I feel and observe for my vibe but cannot express it as well as that.

The cause is not defined but when it is I argue it will be too late to save humans. We in fact should be throwing our car keys away, turning off the tellie and living in the dark now, anything else is gambling the future.

Some people are in fact living that way happily; as long as you can get a feed have shelter and enjoy the odd wellington boot.

And stuffing investors in WHC around with solar powered notebooks and mobile phones using sophisticated forgery software.

Give us a break plod, yer dreamin.

gg

 

[explod]

referring to me as a denier, despite my oft stated position on the matter.

Stated or otherwise the venom you impart at times suggests that you have no truck with the take of those believing (as opposed to knowing) that fossil fuel burning is the cause. You do I know accept that we may have a warming problem, your issue is the source.

I do feel (another vibe) that your type of business or philosophy causes a scotoma effect on your intuitive values.

The overbearing tone in addition to your official role to vet on ASF is in my view a considerable conflict. As much as you want to be involved I would be standing aside.

This debate is a very important and no one should feel encumbered.

 

[wayneL]

Stated or otherwise the venom you impart at times suggests that you have no truck with the take of those believing (as opposed to knowing) that fossil fuel burning is the cause. You do I know accept that we may have a warming problem, your issue is the source.

I do feel (another vibe) that your type of business or philosophy causes a scotoma effect on your intuitive values.

The overbearing tone in addition to your official role to vet on ASF is in my view a considerable conflict. As much as you want to be involved I would be standing aside.

This debate is a very important and no one should feel encumbered.

I have not used or implied any moderation on this thread Plod, nor will I when I am involved in a conversation. Nor will I accept that because of my role, that I should stand aside from any conversation I am interested in.

As basilio's and your continued bile filled attacks and misrepresentations show, there is no feeling of restraint on your part either.

I believe your attempted slur here is disgraceful.

 

[explod]

I believe your attempted slur here is disgraceful.

Have another read, not a slur at all, you do a very good and probably thankless job.

But I would be surprised if others do not agree that you can be condescending. Yes a bit sharp on it myself but not with any billigerant tone, in my vw; I try, but often fail, to explain it.

off topic now, happy to continue elsewhere

 

[Smurf1976]

Very good post Smurf1976.

Close to what I feel and observe for my vibe but cannot express it as well as that.

The cause is not defined but when it is I argue it will be too late to save humans. We in fact should be throwing our car keys away, turning off the tellie and living in the dark now, anything else is gambling the future.

Personally, I gave up all hope of cutting emissions once I realised two things:

1. How fiat money works and that it requires constant growth, noting the huge forces any change is up against.

2. That those opposing globalisation have essentially lost that battle and that the likes of China, India etc are indeed industrialising.

The sheer scale of it all is the problem. A generation ago there was some concern about the amount of fuel, particularly oil and gas, being used (particularly in "non-critical" things like power generation). Now look at the massive ramp up of LNG going on right now - it makes the amount of gas we burn at Torrens Island (the largest gas-fired power station in Australia, located in Adelaide) seem absolutely trivial by comparison. And yet 30 years ago there was real concern by the SA government about the amount of gas being used there.

Same goes for coal. The increase in coal mining and use makes all "old" uses seem trivial. What's the point worrying about Hazelwood power station (which generates about 20% of Victoria's electricity) being 10% less efficient than a more modern plant when China is building a new plant that size every week or two anyway?

It's pointless to pretend that we can actually do something about this one. At best, it's like using a water pistol against a raging bushfire. A slight slowing of the disaster (at best) but everything still ends up being burnt, even if it is all of 3 seconds later than it otherwise would have happened.

If CO2 causes warming then we're going to have warming. The best we can do now is plan to cope with that as best we can.

 

[wayneL]

From Der Spiegal: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/...-fuer-pause-der-klimaerwaermung-a-877941.html

Klimawandel: Forscher rätseln über Stillstand bei Erderwärmung

Von Axel Bojanowski

Wie stark erwärmt sich unser Klima wirklich? Nasa-Forscher belegen, dass der Temperaturanstieg seit 15 Jahren eine Pause macht. Gleichzeitig gibt es Indizien dafür, dass sich das Problem verlagert: Die Umwelt könnte sich vorläufig an ganz anderer Stelle erhitzen.

IOW

Climate change: scientists puzzle over halt in global warming

By Axel Bojanowski

How much our climate is warming real? NASA researchers have shown that the temperature rise in 15 years takes a break. At the same time, there are indications that shifts the problem: The environment could be a completely different place preliminary heat.

 

[Some Dude]

From Der Spiegal: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/...-fuer-pause-der-klimaerwaermung-a-877941.html

English translation of link.

What is next?

Plausible explanations for why the heating is only temporarily slowed down, so there is plenty. The number of guesses but also shows how inaccurate the climate is understood. Warming could brake as La Niña not seem continue cooling? "Advise the jury still in this thing," NASA explains.

The bottom line, however, remain several questionable signs of warming: The sea level rise , the summer Meereeis in the Arctic has been halved , glacier melt . In some places, there is evidence that extreme weather events are increasing . "There are many signs of global warming," said Kevon Trenberth, "the surface air temperature is only one."

But again and again surprise new data: soon will see a study that shows that soot particles from unfiltered diesel exhaust and open fires contribute twice as much to heat as expected. Because of soot in developing countries has been increasing for a long time, would be the effect have already been felt. But there are positive surprises: Recently computer simulations showed that the warming tropical cyclones has been rare. The strongest hurricanes could nevertheless gaining momentum.

That was a good read, thanks!

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

We in N.Queensland, are waiting to get pissed upon by the monsoon.

It's a little late.

Then it is some years.

I think the global warming crew have overstretched themselves.

gg

 

[Some Dude]

We in N.Queensland, are waiting to get pissed upon by the monsoon.

It's a little late.

Then it is some years.

There is a very active discussion happening at Weather Zone for this event.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

There is a very active discussion happening at Weather Zone for this event.

A very uninteresting site.

I respect bom.gov.au even though only warmists get promoted therein.

The scientists make sense there, the ones who do science, not promotion.

Give it a go.

gg

 

[burglar]

Personally, I gave up all hope of cutting emissions once I realised two things: ...

... If CO2 causes warming then we're going to have warming. The best we can do now is plan to cope with that as best we can.

Onya Smurf, best post I've seen on the topic!

 

[Some Dude]

A very uninteresting site.

I respect bom.gov.au even though only warmists get promoted therein.

The scientists make sense there, the ones who do science, not promotion.

Give it a go.

Weatherzone has a very large forum community of active weather enthusiasts, including people such as Anthony Cornelius and Jeffrey Higgins. Some of the individuals certainly seem qualified and worth reading. Even the CMC found them interesting.

How interesting that you would find such a site about weather with informed people uninteresting.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Weatherzone has a very large forum community of active weather enthusiasts, including people such as Anthony Cornelius and Jeffrey Higgins. Some of the individuals certainly seem qualified and worth reading. Even the CMC found them interesting.

How interesting that you would find such a site about weather with informed people uninteresting.

I'll look at the site more fully when I'm not cleaning me gutters and preparing for ****loads of rain.

On the link you sent me to, the page to which I went, it looked like a winkey wankey bird convention.

gg

 

[Some Dude]

I'll look at the site more fully when I'm not cleaning me gutters and preparing for ****loads of rain.

On the link you sent me to, the page to which I went, it looked like a winkey wankey bird convention.

Sorry if I got the page wrong, the link is meant to send you to the specific thread for the major rain event you are experiencing. There are a lot of people posting their realtime observations, updated graphs, etc.

Good luck and I hope any damage is minimal.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Sorry if I got the page wrong, the link is meant to send you to the specific thread for the major rain event you are experiencing. There are a lot of people posting their realtime observations, updated graphs, etc.

Good luck and I hope any damage is minimal.

Thanks mate.

I'll look at the site down the track and get back.

gg

 

[Gringotts Bank]

http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/watch-62-years-of-global-warming-in-13-seconds-15469

Interesting video from NASA. I don't understand the cause of the warming planet (man made or natural cycle), but it looks bad doesn't it?

 

[basilio]

Excellent new book that introduces the science behind Climate Change as part of introductory science courses.

Climate Change Science: A Modern Synthesis

Volume One of a two-volume treatment of climate change science designed for an introductory science course
Describes the discipline of Climate Change Science, and individual climate change scientists whose expertise spans Earth history, geology, geography, biology, oceanography, astronomy, mathematics, physics, chemistry, engineering and more
Examines evidence of global warming that has entered mainstream discussions of climate change
Discusses the ideas and tactics of climate skeptics and deniers

Climate Change Science: A Modern Synthesis introduces the principles of climate change science, emphasizing the empirical evidence for climate change and a warming world. Divided into eleven sections, this comprehensive book opens with an introduction to basic scientific principles including the scientific method, the laws of thermodynamics, the gathering and interpretation of data, biographical notes on a few of the giants of science and their contributions, profiles of selected climate change scientists and their contributions, Newton’s laws of motion and more.

The remaining sections include an Overview of Climate Change Science; Earth’s Atmosphere; The World Ocean and Climate; Earth’s Cryosphere and Climate History; Land and Its Climates; Climate Models; Paleoclimatology; Future Climates and Mitigation; Skeptics and Deniers of Global Warming and Specific Declarations against Climate Science and Climate Scientists. The book offers extensive coverage of the major aspects of climate change and its effects and interactions with the atmosphere, the World Ocean, glaciers and land. Modeling the Climate receives its own chapter, and there are sections on past climates and a chapter outlining the ideas of climate change skeptics and deniers and the scientific evidence that either refutes or substantiates their claims.

Each chapter opens with a list of “Things to Know.” The book goes on to offer chapter-length discussion of the atmosphere, biosphere, geosphere, hydrosphere and anthroposphere and their inter-relationships and much more. Designed as an introductory text for use at the undergraduate level, Climate Change Science assumes no science background on the part of the reader.

http://www.springer.com/environment/book/978-94-007-5756-1

 

[Calliope]

Excellent new book that introduces the science behind Climate Change as part of introductory science courses.

Obviously just more indoctrination.

Volume One of a two-volume treatment of climate change science designed for an introductory science course
Describes the discipline of Climate Change Science, and individual climate change scientists whose expertise spans Earth history, geology, geography, biology, oceanography, astronomy, mathematics, physics, chemistry, engineering and more
Examines evidence of global warming that has entered mainstream discussions of climate change
Discusses the ideas and tactics of climate skeptics and deniers

 

[basilio]

Hoped you would spot that Calliope. Always makes sense to identify exactly what lies are being told by the various range of skeptics and outright deniers. I believe they take great pains to examine as many pseudo science "facts" as possible to enable students to understand scientific practice versus hokum.

And on the topic of changing reality check out how Spencer, Watts and Co dealt with the fact that Amercia had its warmest year on record in 2012.

2012 Shatters the US Temperature Record. Fox, Watts, and Spencer Respond by Denying Reality
Posted on 14 January 2013 by dana1981

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) recently announced that 2012 broke the record for the hottest average annual surface temperature for the contiguous United States by a wide margin – a full degree Fahrenheit (Figure 1). Given that this is a very inconvenient fact for certain groups, we should perhaps not be surprised that the NCDC has come under attack for reporting this year's record.

Most prominently, Fox News ran a story quoting Roy Spencer (a contrarian climate scientist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville [UAH]), Anthony Watts (a blogger and broadcast meteorologist), and Steven Goddard (a pseudonym for a climate blogger who goes to the extreme in denying human-caused global warming), all of whom directly or indirectly accused the NCDC of somehow fudging the data to introduce a false warming trend and make 2012 the record hottest year.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/2012-us-temp-record-fox-denial.html