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Farted as we took off to help lift.
We all know conservapedia is as egregiously biased as the left wing versions thereof.
Best to just ignore them.
In spite of all the evidence put forward as to how much better off it should be under the lousy 3% man made increase of only 280ppm( stasis of the pre industrial era) to soon to be 400ppm( if that maths doesn't stand up I don't know what would)
The staggering decline of sea ice at the frontline of climate change
Scientists on board Greenpeace's vessel exploring the minimum extent of the ice cap are shocked at the speed of the melt
Well Wayne I'm glad that on the strength of a 1923 story in the Perth Daily News we don't have anything to be concerned with regarding rapid melting of the Artic ice cap.
Have you considered forwarding this to the Climate scientists at Real Climate ect ? Perhaps Watts up can constuct a scientific paper around the story to provide balance to what is currently happening.I'm sure Andrew Bolt and Plimer etc will welcome the opportunity for another approach.
And it certainly is an interesting story - particularly when you read it in its entirity . I'm going to check it out a bit further.
Seriously...
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/74081229
Hey Basilio, can you give me the name of a company(in Aust) that has started up since the clean energy future was announced?...
Its all interesting...
...It doesn't matter whether you think environmentalists arn't wearing enough hairshirts. The failure of governments to recognise the need to change how we generate power is a different problem. These are just distractions to the issue.
They don't change what is happening.
Yet another excuse for not "walking the walk". This is exactly what I was referring to in my earlier post. Climate protagonists are terribly adept at laying the blame at the feet of government (or society in general), but, when it comes to amending their personal lifestyles, seem unsurprisingly reluctant to do so!! Hypocrisy is the word that springs to mind!!
Its all interesting...
The report on the rapid collapse of the Arctic ice cap was highlighting just how quickly our climate is changing with the increase in temperatures, particularly in Arctic regions.
The other concern is that the loss of Arctic sea ice will be a tipping point to further escalation of temperature rises. Sea ice reflects the suns heat. Open water allows summer sun to warm the Arctic ocean and substantially add to the earths heat load. This will also hasten the melting of glaciers around Greenland etc as the warmer water undercuts glaciers.
It doesn't matter whether you think environmentalists arn't wearing enough hairshirts. The failure of governments to recognise the need to change how we generate power is a different problem. These are just distractions to the issue.
They don't change what is happening.
Remembering Frank Fisher
Frank Fisher (d. August 2012) was a long-time supporter and critic of Environment Victoria. His support was not limited to his generous financial contributions to our organisation over more than a decade. It included challenging our fundamental assumptions, critiquing our positions and questioning our motivations and approaches to achieving environmental change.
Frank influenced thousands of students, colleagues, peers and practitioners over his decades as an educator and academic at Monash and Swinburne Universities, including many in Environment Victoria’s extended family. Like history’s great teachers, there was no division between Frank’s teaching and his life. He lived what he taught. He donated large portions of his earnings to charities; he famously produced less than a one litre milk carton of ‘waste’ per week, and did not own a car. Far from being austere or spartan, Frank lived a rich and generous life. All elements of his thinking and living were open to his students for interrogation. One of the great satisfactions of studying with Frank was hearing him say incredulously “My god I have never thought of that. You’re right!”
He was inspired by Gary Ablett Senior’s footy for Geelong, and set essays applying systems theory to AFL football teams.
For Frank, trying to live sustainably asks us to change the way we think, not just the way we use resources.
But what is happening? You speak in terms of the rapid collapse, yet clearly arctic sea ice cycles from low to high from a variation of factors... and other regions of the planet are only showing warming via arbitrary adjustments and/or improper citing of weather stations.
Wayne that is just provably wrong. If you can't accept or understand the evidence that shows we are warming rapidly you never will.
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