Resisting Climate Hysteria

[gav]

Today on Environment Victoria's twitter page:
"Hazelwood's contribution to global emissions will cause flooding affecting 10,000 people"

I find it quite ironic that such statements can be made, but if a business raises their prices due to the Carbon Tax, you better be able to prove that to the ACCC...

 

[bellenuit]

Farted as we took off to help lift.

Tut, tut. That provides no lift if your are inside a plane. You need to be outside, strapped to the undercarriage.

 

[Logique]

Just to let everyone know that global warming will accelerate this summer in eastern Australia. Every year the bushfire authorities say this will be the worst season ever, well they'll be closer to the truth in 2013-2014. Farmers know because they follow the SOI.

The emails will be running hot between the CSIRO and Prof Flannery as they monitor these developments.

Ahead of summer, now is the time to get those air conditioners serviced. And clean out the gutters.

 

[orr]

We all know conservapedia is as egregiously biased as the left wing versions thereof.

Best to just ignore them.

Just to prove it that arch Trotskyist Arctic ice sheet is up there again proving it's hair shirt rabid green agenda by continuing its trend toward disappearance, just out of sheer spite. And hand in glove with those commie science egg head predictions of thirty'n forty years ago. tell ya guy's there's sleepers amungst us.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

In spite of all the evidence put forward as to how much better off it should be under the lousy 3% man made increase of only 280ppm( stasis of the pre industrial era) to soon to be 400ppm( if that maths doesn't stand up I don't know what would)
I've had it with all this book learn'n bunkum, from now on i'm check'n the temp the way nature intended , yep , dropping the the back flap on the dungeries & lett'n the wind blow free. it was good enough for old grand pappy and its good enough for me.

 

[white_goodman]

In spite of all the evidence put forward as to how much better off it should be under the lousy 3% man made increase of only 280ppm( stasis of the pre industrial era) to soon to be 400ppm( if that maths doesn't stand up I don't know what would)

we do not live in a linear world, its very obvious to me you shouldnt be talking about maths when making points, take note for future

 

[basilio]

Whats happening in the Arctic.

The staggering decline of sea ice at the frontline of climate change

Scientists on board Greenpeace's vessel exploring the minimum extent of the ice cap are shocked at the speed of the melt

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/sep/14/decline-sea-ice-arctic

 

[wayneL]

From 1923 - One of hundreds of examples from the past.

Keep that Champagne on ice basilio.

 

[basilio]

Well Wayne I'm glad that on the strength of a 1923 story in the Perth Daily News we don't have anything to be concerned with regarding rapid melting of the Artic ice cap.

Have you considered forwarding this to the Climate scientists at Real Climate ect ? Perhaps Watts up can constuct a scientific paper around the story to provide balance to what is currently happening. I'm sure Andrew Bolt and Plimer etc will welcome the opportunity for another approach.

And it certainly is an interesting story - particularly when you read it in its entirity . I'm going to check it out a bit further.

Seriously...

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/74081229

 

[basilio]

There actually is quite a good paper that investigates the causes for the sharp increase in Artic temperatures at some points around 1923.

Also some interesting info on Watts Up regarding Artic sea ice.

http://www.arctic-warming.com/_FIN_Feb2010_WEB_CC_Arctic1919.pdf
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/02/cache-of-historical-arctic-sea-ice-maps-discovered/

 

[wayneL]

Well Wayne I'm glad that on the strength of a 1923 story in the Perth Daily News we don't have anything to be concerned with regarding rapid melting of the Artic ice cap.

Have you considered forwarding this to the Climate scientists at Real Climate ect ? Perhaps Watts up can constuct a scientific paper around the story to provide balance to what is currently happening. I'm sure Andrew Bolt and Plimer etc will welcome the opportunity for another approach.

And it certainly is an interesting story - particularly when you read it in its entirity . I'm going to check it out a bit further.

Seriously...

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/74081229

Arctic sea ice is one factor, to be studied and taken in conjunction with data from the entire planet.

For instance, recently sea ice at the Antarctic was apparently at historical highs for the date.

 

[cynic]

I must confess that I am just a little envious of people whom enjoy a life so bereft of problems that they feel the need to travel all the way to the Arctic to find one!

The more I hear from these characters, the more convinced I become that such self appointed "environmental crusaders" cling to their fallacious dogma in order to avoid a humbling confrontation with their own personal inadequacies. In effect, they have to find a problem somehow (or somewhere) in order to justify the continuance of their personal facade as "saviours" of the planet! The failure of many to amend their living habits in compliance with their professed beliefs testifies to their self deception.
It seems that many find it so terribly easy to "talk the talk", but when it comes to "walking the walk" creative excuses/justifications for personal non-compliance abound.

 

[sptrawler]

Hey Basilio, can you give me the name of a company(in Aust) that has started up since the clean energy future was announced?
I mean a company that actually produces something e.g solar panels, wind generators, tidal power, molten salt storage,geothermal generation anything remotely connected to sustainable energy.
I think not, but you will find the government has backflipped on shutting down brown coal fired power stations, the worste poluters.
What's your take on that?

 

[sails]

Hey Basilio, can you give me the name of a company(in Aust) that has started up since the clean energy future was announced?...

And which can operate without government subsidies...

 

[basilio]

Its all interesting...

The report on the rapid collapse of the Arctic ice cap was highlighting just how quickly our climate is changing with the increase in temperatures, particularly in Arctic regions.

The other concern is that the loss of Arctic sea ice will be a tipping point to further escalation of temperature rises. Sea ice reflects the suns heat. Open water allows summer sun to warm the Arctic ocean and substantially add to the earths heat load. This will also hasten the melting of glaciers around Greenland etc as the warmer water undercuts glaciers.

It doesn't matter whether you think environmentalists arn't wearing enough hairshirts. The failure of governments to recognise the need to change how we generate power is a different problem. These are just distractions to the issue.

They don't change what is happening.

 

[cynic]

Its all interesting...

...It doesn't matter whether you think environmentalists arn't wearing enough hairshirts. The failure of governments to recognise the need to change how we generate power is a different problem. These are just distractions to the issue.

They don't change what is happening.

Yet another excuse for not "walking the walk". This is exactly what I was referring to in my earlier post. Climate protagonists are terribly adept at laying the blame at the feet of government (or society in general), but, when it comes to amending their personal lifestyles, seem unsurprisingly reluctant to do so!! Hypocrisy is the word that springs to mind!!

 

[basilio]

Yet another excuse for not "walking the walk". This is exactly what I was referring to in my earlier post. Climate protagonists are terribly adept at laying the blame at the feet of government (or society in general), but, when it comes to amending their personal lifestyles, seem unsurprisingly reluctant to do so!! Hypocrisy is the word that springs to mind!!

BS. No one is laying the blame at a particular group. The issue is whether the climate is rapidly warming (largely because of our human activities) and what are we going to do about it. Slagging off at the scientists and other observers won't change the facts.

 

[wayneL]

Its all interesting...

The report on the rapid collapse of the Arctic ice cap was highlighting just how quickly our climate is changing with the increase in temperatures, particularly in Arctic regions.

The other concern is that the loss of Arctic sea ice will be a tipping point to further escalation of temperature rises. Sea ice reflects the suns heat. Open water allows summer sun to warm the Arctic ocean and substantially add to the earths heat load. This will also hasten the melting of glaciers around Greenland etc as the warmer water undercuts glaciers.

It doesn't matter whether you think environmentalists arn't wearing enough hairshirts. The failure of governments to recognise the need to change how we generate power is a different problem. These are just distractions to the issue.

They don't change what is happening.

But what is happening? You speak in terms of the rapid collapse, yet clearly arctic sea ice cycles from low to high from a variation of factors... and other regions of the planet are only showing warming via arbitrary adjustments and/or improper citing of weather stations.

Cynic has nailed the hypocrisy issue succinctly also.

NONE of you neo-Armageddonists are doing a jot personally.

 

[basilio]

Remembering Frank Fisher

Remembering Frank Fisher

Frank Fisher (d. August 2012) was a long-time supporter and critic of Environment Victoria. His support was not limited to his generous financial contributions to our organisation over more than a decade. It included challenging our fundamental assumptions, critiquing our positions and questioning our motivations and approaches to achieving environmental change.

Frank influenced thousands of students, colleagues, peers and practitioners over his decades as an educator and academic at Monash and Swinburne Universities, including many in Environment Victoria’s extended family. Like history’s great teachers, there was no division between Frank’s teaching and his life. He lived what he taught. He donated large portions of his earnings to charities; he famously produced less than a one litre milk carton of ‘waste’ per week, and did not own a car. Far from being austere or spartan, Frank lived a rich and generous life. All elements of his thinking and living were open to his students for interrogation. One of the great satisfactions of studying with Frank was hearing him say incredulously “My god I have never thought of that. You’re right!”
He was inspired by Gary Ablett Senior’s footy for Geelong, and set essays applying systems theory to AFL football teams.

For Frank, trying to live sustainably asks us to change the way we think, not just the way we use resources.

http://environmentvictoria.org.au/blog/posts/remembering-frank-fisher

 

[basilio]

But what is happening? You speak in terms of the rapid collapse, yet clearly arctic sea ice cycles from low to high from a variation of factors... and other regions of the planet are only showing warming via arbitrary adjustments and/or improper citing of weather stations.

Wayne that is just provably wrong. If you can't accept or understand the evidence that shows we are warming rapidly you never will.

 

[wayneL]

Wayne that is just provably wrong. If you can't accept or understand the evidence that shows we are warming rapidly you never will.

1/ I draw your attention to my oft stated view which you consistently, illogically, unintelligently and mendaciously ignore and/or misrepresent

2/ If it is provable, why is there debate.

Basilio, provable for you is by disregarding any data competing with your penchant for The Apocalypse.