Religion, Science, Scepticism, Philosophy and things metaphysical

[Value Collector]

I think you mean kernal and its firmware. Software runs outside the firmware/hardware environment.

Software / firmware what ever you would like to call it, do you have an example of any thing like this that operates in biology, and that can be transferred to another entity without making a copy of its self.

Or that operates not as an emergent property of a physical brain, but can continue operating even after its host brain has decayed?

 

[bellenuit]

But Allah and God is the same "Being" - just different name due to different languages.

Yea... God wouldn't like me either.

I don't think the ruling party in Malaysia would agree with you there. They have legislated that Christians cannot call the Christian God "Allah".

In any case, although all the Abrahamic religions share the same God of the Old Testament from a historical perspective, few would today regard the others' God as the same as their own God. Christians and Muslims in particular would regard the others' interpretation of who God is to be so vastly different from their own interpretation that they are really two different "Beings".

Christians see their God as being revealed through the teachings of Jesus, Muslims through the teachings of Mohammed. The Gods each reveals are as different as the two prophets themselves.

 

[luutzu]

Software / firmware what ever you would like to call it, do you have an example of any thing like this that operates in biology, and that can be transferred to another entity without making a copy of its self.

Or that operates not as an emergent property of a physical brain, but can continue operating even after its host brain has decayed?

Maybe religion view transfer of the soul as Ultron did in the Avengers.

 

[luutzu]

I don't think the ruling party in Malaysia would agree with you there. They have legislated that Christians cannot call the Christian God "Allah".

In any case, although all the Abrahamic religions share the same God of the Old Testament from a historical perspective, few would today regard the others' God as the same as their own God. Christians and Muslims in particular would regard the others' interpretation of who God is to be so vastly different from their own interpretation that they are really two different "Beings".

Christians see their God as being revealed through the teachings of Jesus, Muslims through the teachings of Mohammed. The Gods each reveals are as different as the two prophets themselves.

Did they? Nuts.

But then Jesus, an Arab Jew, looks way too white and a bit too blond.

 

[luutzu]

George Carlin on Religion.

Lots of swearing and foul language. Great humour.

 

[Value Collector]

Maybe religion view transfer of the soul as Ultron did in the Avengers.

Lol, yeah. But I guess even Ultron's mind is an emergent property of the equipment he runs on, without the physical hardware, I don't think he could exist.

 

[Tisme]

Software / firmware what ever you would like to call it, do you have an example of any thing like this that operates in biology, and that can be transferred to another entity without making a copy of its self.

Or that operates not as an emergent property of a physical brain, but can continue operating even after its host brain has decayed?

yeah firmware in e squared rom/ram in the animal world is probably out of my realm, but I do know there is a lot of seed banks in the world that have a lot of seed kernals ready to assume life with some moisture and oxygen added. I'm guessing there is probably some animal types out there like that too ...seamonkeys?

 

[Value Collector]

yeah firmware in e squared rom/ram in the animal world is probably out of my realm, but I do know there is a lot of seed banks in the world that have a lot of seed kernals ready to assume life with some moisture and oxygen added. I'm guessing there is probably some animal types out there like that too ...seamonkeys?

That's not really anything to do with reincarnation or life after death.

Just really a dormant set of dna ready to start reproducing itself (Making Copies) when it is activated.

 

[bellenuit]

Three Things You (probably) Don't Know about Islam

 

[luutzu]

Three Things You (probably) Don't Know about Islam

Serious?

There was a time when Islam rule the entire Middle East, Spain, North Africa, modern day Turkey and other remnants of the Roman empire right?

Within these territories there were Christians, Jews and other infidels... and they seem to not die due to Islamic purges and force conversion. I mean, when Israel was established (800 years? after Islam) there were many Arab Jews around the Middle Eastern/Islamic states still surviving and still Jewish that they migrate to the new Jewish homeland.

When Islam have total control, they still let infidels live among them, there are still trade between Islamic states and Christian states... So there might be some room for tolerating infidels within Islam, right? If not Islam, then at least within the Muslim communities - they too are human right?

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It's great that we're proud of our own race and religion, that we think it's just the noblest and most righteous... Just be careful when we're also led to believe that another race or religion are just evil and scheming (and have a lot of oil, though that got nothing to do with it)... Once we believe that, the next steps are pretty obvious, and very terrifying - both to our own conscience and to the things that's being done in our name and with our placid consent (if not strong support).

 

[Tisme]

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It's great that we're proud of our own race and religion, that we think it's just the noblest and most righteous... .

It'd be interesting to get an honest assessment of religions (and political leanings for that matter) based on parental influence. For instance I'd wager that even theists have a pecking order of organised religions, with mum's at the top of the cascading list.

Through post apostolic history the Catholics have been the main perps of religiously driven abominations in the European theatre it seems. The crusades, the inquisition, the English micks trying to bomb English parliament, the Irish micks trying to bomb anything in between pub hours, even one of my ancestors was one of those fenians.

I often wonder if religion is just a convenient skin for the evil men do.

 

[luutzu]

It'd be interesting to get an honest assessment of religions (and political leanings for that matter) based on parental influence. For instance I'd wager that even theists have a pecking order of organised religions, with mum's at the top of the cascading list.

Through post apostolic history the Catholics have been the main perps of religiously driven abominations in the European theatre it seems. The crusades, the inquisition, the English micks trying to bomb English parliament, the Irish micks trying to bomb anything in between pub hours, even one of my ancestors was one of those fenians.

I often wonder if religion is just a convenient skin for the evil men do.

I think so too.

People do things they believe serves their interests. Often serving their interests mean harming others interests and so they pull whatever is at hand to disguise the true intention. Religion seems the most effective because a lot of religious people aren't the thinking type, haha...

 

[Value Collector]

I often wonder if religion is just a convenient skin for the evil men do.

If not for the belief that they were carrying out the will of a god, and would be rewarded in the after life, What would be the point of a suicide mission flying planes into the world trade centres?

I think religion is to blame for two things.

1, it is the direct cause of many acts of violence and conflicts.

2, even in conflicts where it is not the direct cause, it can lead to the "otherisation" of other groups, which can mean conflicts are dragged out long after a normal settlement should have been reached, and populations never intermingle, and it can lead to people declaring wars on those other worthless groups more easily.

 

[SirRumpole]

If not for the belief that they were carrying out the will of a god, and would be rewarded in the after life, What would be the point of a suicide mission flying planes into the world trade centres?

I think religion is to blame for two things.

1, it is the direct cause of many acts of violence and conflicts.

2, even in conflicts where it is not the direct cause, it can lead to the "otherisation" of other groups, which can mean conflicts are dragged out long after a normal settlement should have been reached, and populations never intermingle, and it can lead to people declaring wars on those other worthless groups more easily.

Religion certainly plays a part in violence. The Crusades was a Holy War, without religion it probably would not have taken place.

The Irish 'troubles' are/were probably more about Republicanism than religion, and religion was an excuse not reason, and any references to religion by Hitler was a device to get people stirred up rather than a true belief.

However, do I get the feeling that we have been through all this before ?

 

[Value Collector]

The Irish 'troubles' are/were probably more about Republicanism than religion, and religion was an excuse not reason,

it's easier to blow up other people, Have you noticed how much more Australians care about an act of terrorism in a foreign land when they find out some "Aussies" were killed.

The Catholics went to catholic schools, lived in the Catholic side of town, and married and socialised with Catholics, the Protestants were just "Other" people, different from them, not to be care about as much, this makes it easier to attack them, and makes you care less when you hear about it on the radio.

The religious divide dragged the conflict on, when without the religious element, the cultures would have merged long ago.

and any references to religion by Hitler was a device to get people stirred up rather than a true belief.

How do you know? Are you saying Hitlers hatred of the Jews wasn't real?

Are you saying that the anti Jewish preachings from the catholic church to the mostly catholic German population didn't lay a foundation for the Nazis to take it a step further?

Again, its a case where religions have created artificial divides in populations, and made it easy for mob mentality to turn against the "other" group.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Three Things You (probably) Don't Know about Islam

Thankfully, Adolf Hitler did not pen his ideologies.
People choose (out of fear?) greater control rather than greater freedom and civility.
Thankfully, punishment for intentionally harming other peoples lives or property is incarceration organised by sane judgement.
In Australia we are freer willed and regularly vote acceptance of the liberal society.
By no means are Australians perfect free world role models and there is work for everyone to root out racism and bullying.

 

[Value Collector]

Thankfully, Adolf Hitler did not pen his ideologies.
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He did, he wrote "Mein Kampf" (in which I might point out he states he wishes to do gods work)

And the Catholic church which was the biggest book banning organisation in history, did not ban Mein Kamfp, and no doubt was glad to have Hitlers support, and agreed with his hatred of the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

 

[Wysiwyg]

He did, he wrote "Mein Kampf" (in which I might point out he states he wishes to do gods work)

I assumed that was an autobiography. This will be released from copyright next year but modern world will not see it propagate into another destructive collection of words.

As per German copyright law, the entire text is scheduled to enter the public domain on 1 January 2016, 70 years after the author's death

 

[Value Collector]

I assumed that was an autobiography. This will be released from copyright next year but modern world will not see it propagate into another destructive collection of words.

It is kind of a story of his early life, and the struggles Germany has faced, but it is far from a biography, it is a manefesto, it's a very political work.

Saying it was a biography is a bit like saying the bible is a simple biography of Jesus or Moses.

 

[luutzu]

He did, he wrote "Mein Kampf" (in which I might point out he states he wishes to do gods work)

And the Catholic church which was the biggest book banning organisation in history, did not ban Mein Kamfp, and no doubt was glad to have Hitlers support, and agreed with his hatred of the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

Though Hitler certainly hates the Jews, Rumpole might be right that the Nazi's Holocaust against them were motivated by more than just religion though. Probably more political and economic, racial purity stuff than religious. But then most of the books are from Christian states so who knows.

Heard somewhere that the senior Nazi simply wanted Jewish property, wealth and as a convenient scapegoat. Once the Jewish minority got thoroughly scared want to get the heck out - it serves the Nazi's main objectives with no costs. Problem came up when other countries do not accept too many refugees - it being the Great Depression and not a lot of Western countries like Jews anyway... So came the Holocaust.

That's not to say the West is to blame or the Nazi won't build the camps - they just want to "cleanse" their state for the 1000 year Reich and Jews, the disabled, the sick, homosexuals and communists are just the one and the same impurity to the crazy idiots.

Anyway, religion is probably the most common and effective tool of state power; other cult and fanaticism have been use if it serves the same end - the Killing Fields, Communism, Capitalism...