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SirRumpole said:
A man of great wisdom. It's no good imo to provide conditions where cultures collide, to each their own in their own space.
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I'm not a zealot about it Horace.

I think some sort of immigration with cultural diversity on a small scale is a positive, just not on the scale of recent years.

I think ethnonationalism is toxic, but a strong supporter of civic nationalism. Immigration is fine so long as it allows for assimilation... At the same time embracing positive aspects of the new cultures.

(Who doesn't love a curry or Chinese New year celebrations?)

But that's not ever lose the basics of our own culture, they are an amazing thing.
 
wayneL said:
I think ethnonationalism is toxic, but a strong supporter of civic nationalism. Immigration is fine so long as it allows for assimilation... At the same time embracing positive aspects of the new cultures.
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Assimilation is where incoming cultures adopt the culture of their adopted country. That will never happen with some cultures.
 
wayneL said:
But that's not ever lose the basics of our own culture, they are an amazing thing.
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most of these people are coming here, to flee persicution, or to make a better life for themselves.
Why are we hell bent in making ourselves, like the countries they are fleeing.

Why are we so demeaning and down on ourselves and so prepared to lower our expectations, in the name of inclusiveness and acceptance? Why can't we have an expectation of mutual respect.

We are just proving our lack of national pride and a national identity, we had no problem with this 30 years ago.

Now no one has any idea what being Australian is, well I certainly hope they sort it out, before the young are called upon to defend it.
 
IFocus said:
Exactly, which Aboriginal dialect do you speak cuda?
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Pidgeon english, which works with most communities I've dealt with.
Which dialect were you given written training in?
I do have a sister in law that has two kids with a Ugle, from the Noongar mob, if you want to meet up, even they have several dialects.
Another mate is from the Nyungar, so which would suit.
 
This may seem obtuse, but given the current politics Komrade @IFocus is espousing, it is surprisingly relevant:
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IFocus said:
Exactly, which Aboriginal dialect do you speak cuda?
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What you need to do IMO, is realise it isn't a badge of honour to patranise aboriginal people, but to realise they are just the same as you and me and given the opportunities can and do achieve the same as you and I.

I have a daughter who is deaf and has physical disabilities, but she has always worked and has had two kids through IVF, she doesn't expect everyone else in Australia to learn Auslan to facilitate her, so I'm struggling to reconcile your point.

But I'm also struggling to controlling my anger, at your ffkng smugness.
But smugness is a trait of the rusted on.
Maybe when you walk up from the surf, to your balcony overlooking the Indian ocean, we could invite some of our aboriginal friends to come and meet and talk with you, I chat to heaps of them on the foreshore in the mornings on my walks.
Just PM me your address, i'll give them a lift, it is only 15 km.
$hit they probably know you. Lol
Ffck i'll even supply the drinks and nibbles.

Actually you are obviously so distressed about their plight, I can organise a busload of worthy indigenous, some are camped just around the corner from my place in Sholl St, so how about you do the right thing and have an open house at your place.
I'm sure I can rent a bus and fill it and I do have a HC license.
Maybe run it past your missus first, she might want to be on board.
But it will be a great opportunity to brush up on your dialect.
 
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Actually @IFocus if you really want to impress your mates, I may be able to get you an audience with Dean Rioli, my son played footy with him and his cousin, they all hung round together.
Dean recently came down from the NT to work for Essendon football club, but if he comes over, all I can do is ask.
But I do know him on a first name basis, so if you want a pissing competition, where do we start. Lol

Or do we move on from your union training,
 

Famous Stoic quotes​

(hat tip; Marcus Aurelius)

“The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts.”

“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.”

“You have power over your mind—not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”

“It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live.”

“Think of yourself as dead. You have lived your life. Now take what’s left and live it properly.”

“To live a good life; we all have the potential for it, if we learn to be indifferent to what makes no difference.”

“Death smiles at us all, but all a man can do is smile back.”

“Accept whatever comes to you woven in the pattern of your destiny, for what could more aptly fit your needs?”

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”

“The best revenge is not to be like your enemy.”

“Very little is needed to make a happy life; it is all within yourself, in your way of thinking.”

“Loss is nothing else but change, and change is nature’s delight.”

“It is not because things are difficult that we don’t dare; it is because we do not dare that things are difficult.”

“A gem cannot be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials.”

“The bravest sight in the world is to see a man struggling against adversity.”

“Throw me to the wolves and I will return leading the pack.”

“Life is never incomplete if it is an honorable one. At whatever point you leave life, if you leave it in the right way, it is whole.”

“Man is affected not by events, but by the view he takes of them.”

“Sometimes even to live is an act of courage.”

“If you really want to escape the things that harass you, what you’re needing is not to be in a different place but to be a different person.”

“He suffers more than necessary, who suffers before it is necessary.”

“It is not the man who has too little, but the man who craves more, that is poor.”

“If a man knows not to which port he sails, no wind is favorable.”

“If you want to improve, be content to be foolish and stupid.”

“The world turns aside to let any man pass who knows where he is going.”

“Seek not the good in eternal things, seek it in yourselves.."

“It is the nature of the wise to resist pleasures, but the foolish to be a slave to them.”

“No man is free who is not a master of himself.”

“It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.”

“Never depend on the admiration of others. There is no strength in it. Personal merit cannot be derived from an external source."
 
Dona Ferentes said:

Famous Stoic quotes​

(hat tip; Marcus Aurelius)

“The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts.”

“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.”

“You have power over your mind—not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”

“It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live.”

“Think of yourself as dead. You have lived your life. Now take what’s left and live it properly.”

“To live a good life; we all have the potential for it, if we learn to be indifferent to what makes no difference.”

“Death smiles at us all, but all a man can do is smile back.”

“Accept whatever comes to you woven in the pattern of your destiny, for what could more aptly fit your needs?”

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”

“The best revenge is not to be like your enemy.”

“Very little is needed to make a happy life; it is all within yourself, in your way of thinking.”

“Loss is nothing else but change, and change is nature’s delight.”

“It is not because things are difficult that we don’t dare; it is because we do not dare that things are difficult.”

“A gem cannot be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials.”

“The bravest sight in the world is to see a man struggling against adversity.”

“Throw me to the wolves and I will return leading the pack.”

“Life is never incomplete if it is an honorable one. At whatever point you leave life, if you leave it in the right way, it is whole.”

“Man is affected not by events, but by the view he takes of them.”

“Sometimes even to live is an act of courage.”

“If you really want to escape the things that harass you, what you’re needing is not to be in a different place but to be a different person.”

“He suffers more than necessary, who suffers before it is necessary.”

“It is not the man who has too little, but the man who craves more, that is poor.”

“If a man knows not to which port he sails, no wind is favorable.”

“If you want to improve, be content to be foolish and stupid.”

“The world turns aside to let any man pass who knows where he is going.”

“Seek not the good in eternal things, seek it in yourselves.."

“It is the nature of the wise to resist pleasures, but the foolish to be a slave to them.”

“No man is free who is not a master of himself.”

“It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.”

“Never depend on the admiration of others. There is no strength in it. Personal merit cannot be derived from an external source."
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These are great, even if at heart I'm an Epicurean... and I do happen to be married to a Stoic.
 
sptrawler said:
Actually @IFocus if you really want to impress your mates, I may be able to get you an audience with Dean Rioli, my son played footy with him and his cousin, they all hung round together.
Dean recently came down from the NT to work for Essendon football club, but if he comes over, all I can do is ask.
But I do know him on a first name basis, so if you want a pissing competition, where do we start. Lol

Or do we move on from your union training,
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Why do you want a pi$$ing competition I don't get it?

You were talking about people not knowing what an Australian is, you don't think Aboriginals are included being the original ones?
 
IFocus said:
Why do you want a pi$$ing competition I don't get it?

You were talking about people not knowing what an Australian is, you don't think Aboriginals are included being the original ones?
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Hint: You implied non indigenous Australians aren't Australian ;)
 
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SirRumpole said:
Some are more Australian than others ;) (Glad there aren't many SJW's here).

Australia is a flag of convenience for some.
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Always, not just in Oz either.

Let's say we have a person who can trace both sides of the family to the first fleet, genetically white as and speaks some Noongar or whatever.

On the other hand, we have a person whose heritage is 15/16 recent 1st and 2nd gen immigrant, and 1/16 Aboriginal and speaks only English.

Who is more Australian according to the SJWs?
 
This story piqued my interest. The details of the miracles that happened as a consequence praying to Carlo Actis are worth checking out.

London-born boy who died aged 15 to become first millennial saint​

Second posthumous miracle attributed to leukaemia victim Carlo Acutis, qualifying him for canonisation

Nadeem Badshah
Fri 24 May 2024 07.45 AESTLast modified on Fri 24 May 2024 11.30 AEST


A London-born teenager who died of leukaemia aged 15 is to become the Catholic church’s first millennial saint.

Carlo Acutis was a computer prodigy who helped to spread Roman Catholic teaching online before his death in 2006. On Thursday, Pope Francis decreed that a second posthumous miracle has been attributed to Acutis, qualifying the teenager for canonisation.

Acutis was born in London in 1991 before moving to Milan with his Italian parents, Andrea Acutis and Antonia Salzano, as a child.

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London-born boy who died aged 15 to become first millennial saint

Second posthumous miracle attributed to leukaemia victim Carlo Acutis, qualifying him for canonisation
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Carlo Acutis - Wikipedia

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This was one of Carlo Acutis achievements in a very short life.

Eucharistic miracles​

Keen to transmit the faith to a younger generation,[56] Acutis applied himself to creating a website dedicated to cataloguing each reported Eucharistic miracle in the world, and a list of the approved Marian apparitions of the Catholic Church. He appreciated Blessed Giacomo Alberione's initiatives to use the media to evangelize and proclaim the Gospel and aimed to do likewise with his own website.[citation needed] Acutis launched the website in 2004[60] and worked on it for two and a half years, involving his entire family in the project.[69] It was unveiled on 4 October 2006, the Feast of St. Francis, only days before his death.[69]

 
Is this true and if so what does it mean ? This excerpt came from the article noted in my previous post from the Catholic Register

Pope Francis experienced his own eucharistic miracle in 1996 as Auxiliary Bishop Jorge Bergoglio in the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires. As Fr. Alejandro Pezet celebrated Sunday Mass a woman told him she had found a discarded host on a candleholder at the back of the church. Pezet placed it in a container of water and locked it in the tabernacle.

Eight days later, Pezet opened the tabernacle and saw that the host had turned into a bloody substance. He informed Bishop Bergoglio, who took a photograph of the host. For three years, the host remained in the tabernacle and the event was kept secret.

By 1999 the host still had not decomposed, so then Archbishop Bergoglio decided to have it examined. The scientific investigation revealed human DNA in the host that matched DNA found on the Shroud of Turin.

“The miracle thing is one angle, one little example of how God has chosen, and it’s totally God’s choice, to reveal Himself in this way to stir up in us this dimension of faith,” said Barber. “It’s kind of a bit of a ‘wow’ factor. It pokes us a bit and says, ‘oh my gosh, this really is Jesus.’ ”

 
I'm liking this guy:

Ancient Greek Philosopher Anaxagoras and the Universal Mind​


ByPhilip Chrysopoulos
27May 2024

Ancient Greek philosopher Anaxagoras was the one who introduced the concept of the universal mind (nous) as the motive cause of the cosmos. The pre-Socratic philosopher (c. 500-428 BC) was a brilliant scientist who understood the rainbow phenomenon and as an avid astronomer discovered the true cause of eclipses.

Anaxagoras was a materialist, believing that the natural world could be understood if one grasped the logical nature of substance, meaning ‘what is,’ and the mind. He was the first to claim that celestial bodies such as the sun, moon, and stars were not divine beings but fiery masses of red-hot metal.

His belief was that the universe was not the creation of divine beings but the result of a complex interaction of physical substances. This was considered impious by his contemporaries in Athens who eventually brought him to trial.

Anaxagoras Brings Scientific Philosophy to Athens​

Born in Clazomenae of Anatolia (then occupied by the Persians) in c. 500 BC, Anaxagoras came from a wealthy family. It is said that he neglected affluence to devote his life to science.

He relocated to Athens in 480 BC. At the time, the Athenians were basking in the city’s Golden Age (c. 480-408 BC), also known as the Age of Pericles. Athens was the center of culture, a fertile ground for the philosopher from Ionia to practice his art in the spirit of scientific inquiry.
Anaxagoras is known for introducing philosophy based on scientific research to the Athenians, who were, nevertheless, not by any means ready to accept such a scientific approach to philosophy. He befriended the ruler of Athens, Pericles, the founder of democracy, who was also an inquiring mind. However, the philosopher’s friendship with Pericles had its drawbacks as the statesman’s enemies turned against the philosopher.

The Ancient Greek Philosopher’s One Book​

There is little known about the life of Anaxagoras. He wrote only a single book in prose titled On Nature, setting out his theories concerning astronomical, meteorological, and biological phenomena. Unfortunately, like the works of the other pre-Socratics, only fragments survive, mainly as quotations in the writings of later philosophers such as Simplicius, Plutarch, and Sextus Empiricus.

The basic features, however, are clear. While his predecessors had attempted to explain the physical universe by an assumption of a fundamental element or a number of elements, Anaxagoras posited an infinite number. Unlike his predecessors, who had chosen such elements as heat or water as the basic substances, the Greek philosopher included those found in living bodies—flesh, bone, bark, and leaf.
He asked how flesh could come from something that is itself not flesh. He also accounted for biological changes in which substances appear under new manifestations. As men eat and drink, for instance, flesh, bone, and hair grow, he said. In order to explain the great amount and diversity of change, he posited that “there is a portion of every thing, i.e., of every elemental stuff, in every thing.”

Cosmogony, Seeds, and Nous​

For Anaxagoras, in the beginning of the cosmos, there was not one but two principles all infinite and everlasting in nature: Mind (Nous) and the Primeval Mixture (Migma). In the beginning ‘everything was in everything.’ The revolutionary formation of the cosmos started when the infinite ‘seeds’ (spermata) within the primeval mixture separated by the motive power of Mind.

Mind initiated the rotation of the ‘seeds,’ resulting in the predominantly heavy parts coming to the center of the vortex and the subtler parts in outer areas. The ingredients of the primeval mixture were an infinite number of ‘seeds’ containing opposites, such as the binary opposites of wet and dry, hot and cold, bright and dark.
The ‘seeds’ are not generated nor destroyed. They are combined in various ways but are ultimately indivisible, imperishable elements that are infinite in number and vary in shape, color, and taste. Each material contains a piece of every other substance.

Mind (nous) is the motive force that initiated the primeval matter. Mind is completely separate from matter and is the only exception to the universal criterion ‘everything in everything.’ Matter under the control of Mind expands continually and indefinitely outwards from the single place of origin—a mere dot—which contained everything in the whole universe, the Greek philosopher said.

Nous is described as unlimited, self-controlling, unmixed, and of a singular nature by itself, but it is also the finest and purest, possessing complete knowledge, supreme power, and the ability to control everything alive, according to Anaxagoras.

Anaxagoras the Astronomer​

Through persistent observation, Anaxagoras came to believe that the moon was a rock, not totally unlike the Earth, and he even described mountains on the lunar surface. The sun, he thought, was a burning rock. In Fragment 18, Anaxagoras wrote, “It is the sun that puts brightness into the moon.”
He was not the first to realize that moonlight is reflected light from the sun, but he was able to explain additional phenomena, such as eclipses and lunar phases. The moon’s phases, the Greek philosopher realized, were the result of different portions of the celestial object being illuminated by the sun from Earth’s perspective.
The philosopher also realized that the occasional darkening of the moon must result from the moon, sun, and Earth lining up in such a way that the moon passes into the Earth’s shadow—a lunar eclipse.

When the moon passes directly before the sun, the skies darken during the day, Anaxagoras also explained. He wrestled with the origins and formation of the moon, a mystery that continues to challenge scientists to this day. The philosopher posited that the moon was a large rock that the early Earth had flung into space.
By describing the moon as a rock of terrestrial origin and the sun as a burning rock, Anaxagoras moved beyond earlier thinkers and those who realized the moon was a kind of reflector.

Brought to Trial for Impiety​

Anaxagoras’ radical thinking denied any divinity to the cosmos and maintained that the celestial bodies such as the sun, moon, and stars were not divine beings but fiery masses of red-hot metal.
This theory was probably based on a meteorite that fell to earth at Aegospotami in 467 BC. Anaxagoras also put forward the theory that the rainbow is a reflection of the sun in the clouds and maintained that the moon has dwelling places, hills, and ravines. Owing to his materialism, Anaxagoras was brought to trial for impiety and sentenced to death.
He is usually considered to be the first philosopher prior to Socrates to be charged with impiety. Probably because Pericles intervened, his death sentence was converted to exile. The great philosopher spent the rest of his life in the Ionian town of Lampsacus.

It is said that, in appreciation of his work, the citizens of Lampsacus erected an altar to Mind and Truth in his memory. They also observed the anniversary of his death for many years after.

Over his grave the following inscription was placed:
Here Anaxagoras, who in his quest
of truth scaled heaven itself,
is laid to rest.
 
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Well hmmmm yes. Anyway, my new Interplanetary belief system is 'The New Way'. Flexible in that you can be a member of anything anywhere and even switch around with beliefs - twice a day if you like - and one remains a member. We are supposed to be trying to be good but if not you're still a member anyway. If you want to pray that's fine and if you don't want to that's fine as well. If you are an Atheist that's OK, if not that's OK, in between that's OK - Switching about that's OK. So everyone can join just by deciding to join there is no hierarchy - in fact, there is not anyone at all. It's a very friendly membership and even if you are not friendly that's fine as well.
Even your dog and cat or Parrot can be a member just by telling them so flexible - good luck.
 
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