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My trading strategy blows goats... should I change?

Hi Ivan,

That's a nasty draw down.

Do you use stops or just range trade and terminate when the loss gets too painful.

Also how did you setup two IG Markets accounts, don't you need ID for each new account. Do you hedge using both accounts.

When trading the Cash do you use graphs with TA support and resistance levels or do you just read the ticks.

I used to trade the SPI and cash. I spent hour upon hour studying it. Favourite part was the afternoon rally and I would pyramid. Problem was those afternoon rally's stopped but my trading psychology didn't change and I couldn't adapt quickly enough to what was happening in the US.

yea it is nasty on paper. i use an aggregate position, and i position size in a way that i add heavily at very serious support levels. at the end of that trade i sold of the position receiving an overall profit, which is in the above. i set up two accounts a long time ago when you were allowed to do it freely. it was done at a time so that i could survive shocks to my margin, and it saved me a few times. do you mean do i hedge against the two accounts, ie put in opposite entries? in that sense no, they both work together. i used to trade around my losses, ie "force entries" however ive stopped doing that. i have a range of things i follow in no order of importance:
1. chande's momentum
2. macd
3. rsi in a small way
4. a price oscilliator
5. then i look for confirmations in support and resistance. i dont trade it if i dont see all these coming together for a reversal.
6. i look for particular psychological movements in the price
7. moving averages, statistical changes, stocks above averages, etc.

thats basically it, i look at FTSE, DJIA, S&P 500, gold and oil and try to analyse them together based on a combination of the above. then something springs in my head telling me to buy or sell which usually overrides all of the above.. haha. like a puzzle that comes together. it seems so easy to explain how i trade, yet its so hard to put it on paper. amazing.

lastly, of course, i listen to CNBC's Cramer every night :p "I would have a million dollars by now if id have listened to CNBC, provided id have started with 100" - Jon stewart :p im sorry i had to put that in :D:D

on a more serious note, i spend more time looking at the US market then the Australian market. at the moment ive found that the volatility is greater in the overnight swings than the daily. there is a post somewhere where i outline my trading day. it has no structure lol.
 
When trading the Indicies in Sept/Oct last year. The volatility was so great it was impossible to trade. Especially if holding the Futures over night. Out of the blue the market would gap 50 points and your stop triiggered or some news would just break out in the US and UK and in 5 secs you go from being profitable to being in a losing position.

based on that edit too, as above, i was up all night throughout most of october and november. i essentially traded the US indices mentally more than the Australian ones despite trading solely SPIs physically. i think at this rate the news from US are much more price-sensitive then the aussie ones.
 
oh and by the way, i realised i didnt answer the question about stops, i dont use stops due to the nature of CFD providers creating spikes
 
due to the nature of CFD providers creating spikes

Yeah I agree with you about the spikes. I read on this forum that IG started as a bucket shop, nothing has changed. Market makers Know both sides of the buy and sell orders and they are out to make money.

i dont use stops

I suppose if you have a huge capital base you don't need stops provided the positions are not big, but tell this to the person going long on the ASX 200 at 5950 last May or long on the AUS/USD at 98c.

Range trading is always dangerous even in quiet times and after the US voted down the bailout the first time, the market fell 400-500 points in a 6 hour period. I didn't think my 450 point stop loss would get hit, but it did.
 
ivant out of all the "brokers" you have mentioned ONLY IB & MFGlobal will let you trade the SPI. They are the only brokers.

The rest are CFDs, Just hideously expensive!!

Mate puts some money away, drop your size, pay your tax and use this time to actually learn about the markets. You are in a unique position don't waste it.
 
ig markets doesnt charge at all for crude (as i think it is for all futures? would be great if someone confirmed), and for spi shorts they give you interest.

Ivant,

How have you found IG Markets? I am debating between that one and IB.

Btw, there is no monthly charge for Macquarie. If you want to trade shares, it's a great platform.
 
In relation to IG vs IB:
I don't understand how the two can be compared :confused:

For a start, the funds are held at ANZ with IG.

But, i'm interested in the spreads, availability of contracts / shares vs. CFDs (not too keen, but may use for Futures). I guess brokerage is lower with IB and perhaps interest rates higher with IB? (haven't researched yet).

If you care to elaborate, i would be happy to listen!
 
In relation to IG vs IB:

For a start, the funds are held at ANZ with IG.

But, i'm interested in the spreads, availability of contracts / shares vs. CFDs (not too keen, but may use for Futures). I guess brokerage is lower with IB and perhaps interest rates higher with IB? (haven't researched yet).

If you care to elaborate, i would be happy to listen!

CFDs are the most expensive way to trade. CFD spreads are bigger, you have to buy/sell at market, you have to pay interest and on and on.

IB have far more protection of client funds than IG or any other MM.
 
Ivant,

How have you found IG Markets? I am debating between that one and IB.

Btw, there is no monthly charge for Macquarie. If you want to trade shares, it's a great platform.

IG markets is ok, but its a market maker. i like their platform and the charts are ok, but obviously its a CFD provider thus its a little dodgy. thanks for the tip on the macquarie platform:)

Still havn't seen evidence of an account increasing $1500 to $550,000

should i just call you a moron now? what would you like me to do, cut my guts out? i really dont have time to prove what i have or havent done.

I don't understand how the two can be compared :confused:


Yes ya right. the cut and paste trades could of been just as likely from their demo platform?? But anyway I will move on.

haha they have a time limit on the platform if im not mistaken. that was 90 days, so i dont think that id have the patience to sit there for 90 days.

In relation to IG vs IB:

For a start, the funds are held at ANZ with IG.

But, i'm interested in the spreads, availability of contracts / shares vs. CFDs (not too keen, but may use for Futures). I guess brokerage is lower with IB and perhaps interest rates higher with IB? (haven't researched yet).

If you care to elaborate, i would be happy to listen!

they used to westpac when i started trading :) the spreads are horribly, there are a lot of different instruments (a little lacking on the commodities though), however a lot of different stock exchanges. commissions are good for stocks, alas i dont trade them. When you say IB though, I don't recall them having CFD's?

CFDs are the most expensive way to trade. CFD spreads are bigger, you have to buy/sell at market, you have to pay interest and on and on.

IB have far more protection of client funds than IG or any other MM.
in terms of expense its definitely a factor. the spreads are so high. the more contracts you trade the higher the difference. TH do you trade through IB?
 
i guess you recommend it then :) i was leaning towards them. i didnt like the feel of sonray and gomarkets, and mf seemed to be a little exp on the commission side. i think i have decided on who ill go with :)

I am just gobsmacked at people always comparing a futures broker, IB & MF, to the likes of the rubbish you have listed above.
 
I am just gobsmacked at people always comparing a futures broker, IB & MF, to the likes of the rubbish you have listed above.

I don't think most of them understand the difference TH, even though it has been pointed out numerous times.
 
haha it doesnt hurt to look at the options, especially when there are so few in Australia :) i do agree though. they seem to be rather weak in comparison.
 
i didnt average it down, i said most of my positions entered around there..

oh and for this here we go.... straight from the history thing in IG markets for last 90days:

EAL Closing trades 08/04/09 CJRHVTAH US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 5236 $ -2 4899 $3,370.00
DEAL Closing trades 08/04/09 CJW7HHAG US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 5193 $ -1 4899 $1,470.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 CAF5ULAC Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3184.5 A$ +1 3699.5 A$2,575.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 CAKX5HAE Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3171.5 A$ +2 3699.5 A$5,280.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 B6UXM6AK Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3395.5 A$ +3 3699.5 A$4,560.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 CAF4ZGAK Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3184.5 A$ +1 3699.5 A$2,575.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 BX24ZVAE Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3495 A$ +3 3699.5 A$3,067.50
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 B9Q3G7AD Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3290 A$ +1 3699.5 A$2,047.50
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 B9Q3HSAD Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3285 A$ +1 3699.5 A$2,072.50
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 BWZ5TPAA Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3549 A$ +5 3699.5 A$3,762.50
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 CHMCQ6AJ US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 5033 $ +1 5012 $-105.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 CHM9L6AB US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 5030 $ +1 5007 $-115.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 CHQJ4CAJ US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 4845 $ +2 5002 $1,570.00
DEAL Closing trades 30/03/09 CFVMTGAB US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 5350 $ -1 5049 $1,505.00
DEAL Closing trades 30/03/09 CEHMJJAC US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 4945 $ -1 5049 $-520.00
DEAL Closing trades 30/03/09 CEC34EAK US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 4920 $ -1 5049 $-645.00
DEAL Closing trades 28/03/09 CFVPJLAH US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 5350 $ -1 5195 $775.00
DEAL Closing trades 13/03/09 CC66LKAE US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) APR-09 4271 $ +1 4628 $1,785.00
DEAL Closing trades 03/03/09 B9EU6NAJ US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) APR-09 4373 $ -1 4171 $1,010.00
DEAL Closing trades 26/02/09 B6MTECAC US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) APR-09 4100 $ +1 4210 $550.00
DEAL Closing trades 26/02/09 B6RQWQAC US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) APR-09 4000 $ +1 4210 $1,050.00
DEAL Closing trades 26/02/09 B6RAXGAC US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) APR-09 4050 $ +1 4210 $800.00
DEAL Closing trades 28/01/09 BYE2YFAG Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3410.5 A$ +2 3497 A$865.00
DEAL Closing trades 28/01/09 BYEYSBAC Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3410.5 A$ +5 3498 A$2,187.50
DEAL Closing trades 20/01/09 BX35SWAE Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3451 A$ +5 3523.5 A$1,812.50

then the next

DEAL Closing trades 16/04/09 CLNRWNAP US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 5183 $ -2 4904 $2,790.00
DEAL Closing trades 08/04/09 CKC434AE US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 5311 $ -1 4899 $2,060.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 CHTXQ5AF Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3556 A$ +3 3697.5 A$2,122.50
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 B9Q4DMAL Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3285 A$ +2 3697.5 A$4,125.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 BW8PQSAE Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3493.5 A$ +3 3698.5 A$3,075.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 BWWMQYAA Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3559.5 A$ +4 3698.5 A$2,780.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 B9Q4DMAL Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3285 A$ +3 3698.5 A$6,202.50
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 B6U3ABAE Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3397.5 A$ +4 3698.5 A$6,020.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 BVBUGCAF Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3680 A$ +2 3698.5 A$185.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 BVBTW2AC Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3685.5 A$ +6 3698.5 A$390.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 BVBXKAAM Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3681 A$ +2 3698.5 A$175.00
DEAL Closing trades 02/04/09 B6X5JDAA Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3388 A$ +1 3698.5 A$1,552.50
DEAL Closing trades 30/03/09 CFVHEUAB US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAY-09 5340 $ -1 5120 $1,100.00
DEAL Closing trades 27/01/09 GRK252 Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3310 A$ +1 3420 A$550.00
DEAL Closing trades 27/01/09 GRK27M Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3310 A$ +5 3420 A$2,750.00
DEAL Closing trades 08/01/09 BTSCGWAA Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3699.5 A$ -10 3685.5 A$700.00
DEAL Closing trades 08/01/09 BTYN76AM Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3764 A$ -7 3685.5 A$2,747.50
DEAL Closing trades 01/01/09 BS6YMSAD US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAR-09 3999 $ +2 4524 $5,250.00
DEAL Closing trades 01/01/09 BS6Z29AM US Light Crude ($5 Mini Contract) MAR-09 3972 $ +1 4522 $2,750.00
DEAL Closing trades 23/12/08 GQ54GD Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3791.5 A$ +5 3580 A$-5,287.50
DEAL Closing trades 23/12/08 BSWQ77AC Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3500 A$ +5 3791.5 A$7,287.50
DEAL Closing trades 22/12/08 BSHM3XAA Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3635.5 A$ -5 3554 A$2,037.50

is that enough for you children?

this isnt proof of anything actually but hey good luck to ya ..........hang on i,ll just post a result too


DEAL Closing trades 33/12/08 BSWQ78AC Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3500 A$ +5 3791.5 A$77777777777777,287.50


yes i done did real good there
 
this is my trade i did tommmorow



DEAL Closing trades 21/04/09 B6UXM6AB Australia 200 Cash (A$5 Mini Contract) - 3395.5 A$ +33 369999.5 A$600,000000000000000 and a bit


get my point?

could always do a screenshot i spose and shut that beemsta fella up once and for all


but hey if ya really did turn 1500 into 550k in 12 mnths , i tip my hat to ya and have a great day
 
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