More Religious Nuts

[Iffonly]

I just want you all to know that there is going to be BIG trouble if you don't believe in the same imaginary friend as I believe in because the the two faced lazy blood sucking power barons that say I belong to their imaginary friend have said that our imaginary friend is way way much better than any of your imaginary friends could ever be, and therefore you must yield to my two faced lazy blood sucking power barons and not yours.

so there....chk chk boom...end of argument

 

[weird]

Trainspotter, the question is , which relates completely to this thread, provide statistical unbiased evidence that religious people commit more crime, than non-religious people.

 

[2020hindsight]

Maybe we have to define the term "belief" ?
Does it imply "you can prove it"?
or just a hunch?
yet a hunch some are prepared to die for? -
strange indeed

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=232887

 

[trainspotter]

No offense Trainspotter, but in your post, it contains nothing which provides evidence that any mainstream religion encourages their members to do any 'nutty' things which involves criminal activity towards others.

People do crazy things, in the name of religion or even full moons. But 'they' ultimately are responsible for their action, whether it was a full moon or not.

Fair point weird. Muslims in the name of religion issue a fatwa against Salman Rushdie because he wrote a book called "The Satanic Verses. Apparently it upset Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The Muslims basically wanted to kill this guy because he wrote a book?

Osama Bin Laden issues a fatwa that ALL Muslims should target/kill Americans until they withdraw their support and funding for Israel. Fly a plane into a building killing how many innocents?

I must be missing the point here ??

 

[weird]

Fair point weird. Muslims in the name of religion issue a fatwa against Salman Rushdie because he wrote a book called "The Satanic Verses. Apparently it upset Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The Muslims basically wanted to kill this guy because he wrote a book?

Osama Bin Laden issues a fatwa that ALL Muslims should target/kill Americans until they withdraw their support and funding for Israel. Fly a plane into a building killing how many innocents?

I must be missing the point here ??

Unfortunately you are quoting individual incidences (and even if a country takes a stance how can you include the mainstream religion as to blame if it has no such instructions), I could do the same, quoting unabomber, Oklahoma City bombing, triad kidnappings, etc.

Bring some unbiased research and statistics (I thought this is what atheists based their beliefs on ?) to the table, as mentioned before, crime committed by religious people vs non religious. Otherwise , no offense, shut up, and stop adding to the attempt of the noisiest person wins the argument.

 

[trainspotter]

Trainspotter, the question is , which relates completely to this thread, provide statistical unbiased evidence that religious people commit more crime, than non-religious people.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ?? What kind of crime do you require to be perpetuated? Crimes against humanity or the general shoplifting ones?? I was of the understanding this THREAD was to do with religious NUT JOBS killing/maiming/exorcisms/brutality/kicking the **** out of in the name of their beliefs??

I don't remember it becoming a Mexican standoff with atheists/non believers committing more crimes against humanity than the ones that take Sabbath or prey to mecca or wear a tea towel on their head?

Atheists do not believe in a diety. Full stop. No stats or pie graphs or charts.

Ok if this is the way it needs to be. Twin towers September 11. Does this compare to the Roman Catholic Inquisition (incorporating the Medieval, Spanish, Portugese and Roman from 1184 - 1860) where if you DID NOT BELIEVE in God you were a heretic and basically killed for non belief?

I was of the understanding we were discussing the here and now. Stuff we can control by controlling our predjudices and not some navel gazing exercise of the last 2000 years !!!

 

[weird]

Yup, you can post individual incidents, but can't back up any comparision. Very unatheist to not have science or research backing up your claims or comments - why are you wasting time or space (other peoples time) in posting, you should be researching ?

Bring some unbiased research and statistics (I thought this is what atheists based their beliefs on ?) to the table, as mentioned before, crime committed by religious people vs non religious.

 

[trainspotter]

P.S. weird look at the title of the thread "More Religious Nuts" ... NOT "Atheists trying to perpetuate more crimes than Religious people"

As for being the noisiest person to win an argument I will quite happily lurk in the bakground and observe the future posts in this thread.

 

[Cartman]

I'm simply challenging some of the beliefs and the more controversial issues in Christianity.

and there are a few -- no doubt about that !

I'm still waiting for you to answer my earlier post in which I asked how you know God exists, and if he does exist, who or what created him?

ever considered that he may have "evolved" out of the random nothingness before man did ---- is that possible?

 

[pilots]

P.S. weird look at the title of the thread "More Religious Nuts" ... NOT "Atheists trying to perpetuate more crimes than Religious people"

As for being the noisiest person to win an argument I will quite happily lurk in the bakground and observe the future posts in this thread.

Trainspotter, I would be very careful of what you post here, you could find a bolt of lightening come down and wipe all the numbers of every train in Australia. lol.

 

[trainspotter]

Yup, you can post individual incidents, but can't back up any comparision. Very unatheist to not have science or research backing up your claims or comments - why are you wasting time or space (other peoples time) in posting, you should be researching ?

Bring some unbiased research and statistics (I thought this is what atheists based their beliefs on ?) to the table, as mentioned before, crime committed by religious people vs non religious.

ONE LAST GASP AT THIS :- an ATHEIST does not belive in a diety. Nothing to do with stats or basing beliefs or WHO killed WHO? This is your opinion.

If you want to have this kind of information handed to you on a platter I am sure a quick Google rummage will satisfy your lusty needs.

Would this help you? "NEWSFLASH .... 37, 123,324 people have been killed in the name of religion compared to 37, 123, 324 people NOt killed in the name of religion."

GOSH .... that is really, really so much better now. Glad I got that off my chest. Whooooooooeeeeeeee I feel better now.

How can you possibly comapare the two? On what basis wouold you draw the information from? How accurate does it need to be and if a crime has happened but no one has been caught (Osama Bin Laden) did it really happen and does this count?

 

[weird]

Yup, you can post individual incidents, but can't back up any comparision. Very unatheist to not have science or research backing up your claims or comments - why are you wasting time or space (other peoples time) in posting, you should be researching ?

Bring some unbiased research and statistics (I thought this is what atheists based their beliefs on ?) to the table, as mentioned before, crime committed by religious people vs non religious.

Fine, and for any future atheist spruiking ...

Bring some unbiased research and statistics (I thought this is what atheists based their beliefs on ?) to the table, as mentioned before, crime committed by religious people vs non religious.

Otherwise it is just spruiking and making oneself comfortable in ones own belief ... it's a bit pathetic.

I have not enjoyed this thread, and wish I didn't have to participate in it. I have the highest respect for all that did, however I think it is unfair to post one-side incidences, which are generally posts from those that have a particular view, without having to justify or compare that view.

 

[trainspotter]

Trainspotter, I would be very careful of what you post here, you could find a bolt of lightening come down and wipe all the numbers of every train in Australia. lol.

PMSL pilots. Good on ya !! OOOOPS ! I promised to lurk didn't I, so I could give the Godbotherers a go at this. Sorry, Sorry, Sorry ...Hmmmmm I sound like Kevin Rudd a bit??

Why did you quote your own post weird? Now that is just WEIRD !!!

 

[Julia]

People who ask "how can God let x happen" need a serious smack in the head. They want free choice and expect "God" to remove it selectively for their personal benefit.

If you're talking about the believers, I'm not sure that they all do, Wayne.
You will, I'm sure, have come across many believers who - when e.g. a child dies - smile bravely, and say "it's God's Will".
Ditto when someone behaves really, really badly, they again don't blame God, but rather say loftily that "God gave us free will. Therefore he is not to blame for the bad stuff".

The same people say "God has a reason for everything that happens".

I guess the benefit in adopting such an attitude is that it would reduce anxiety and anger. If you believe that you have no control over anything that happens because God is sorting it all out, then wouldn't life have to be simpler?

How can religious people believe in an afterlife and sweat about their Earth experience so much?

The few religious people I know really don't do this. They are irritatingly all-accepting. I feel vaguely envious at times on the basis that such a view must remove a lot of the angst of decision making.

 

[weird]

Sorry Julia, I don't normally find fault in your posts, but not sure what you have attempted to say ... there doesn't appear to be a logical argument or any statistics/research ... I didn't think this was facebook or twitter where we posted how we feel.

Bring some unbiased research and statistics (I thought this is what atheists based their beliefs on ?) to the table, as mentioned before, crime committed by religious people vs non religious ... otherwise you're wasting other people's time reading posts that have very little too offer, except reading about how you feel ... which could be important I know, but not the focus of this thread.

 

[Julia]

Sorry Julia, I don't normally find fault in your posts, but not sure what you have attempted to say ... there doesn't appear to be a logical argument or any statistics/research ... I didn't think this was facebook or twitter where we posted how we feel.

It wasn't what I 'feel', but rather what I've observed amongst the few religious people I know.

Obviously such a small sample isn't statistically valid and proves absolutely nothing.

It wasn't designed to be anything more than a response to what Wayne suggested earlier.

I have absolutely no objection if you were to ask a moderator to remove my post. Sorry it offended you.

Bring some unbiased research and statistics (I thought this is what atheists based their beliefs on ?) to the table, as mentioned before, crime committed by religious people vs non religious ... otherwise you're wasting other people's time reading posts that have very little too offer, except reading about how you feel ... which could be important I know, but not the focus of this thread.

I don't think it's the sort of subject where it's possible to present research and statistics (other than the bland sort of numbers e.g. x% of people believe in a God in Australia etc.)

And if you'd actually read my previous posts (I don't at all mind if you don't) you would know that I have never declared myself an atheist.

I have absolutely no idea if there is a God or if there is not, so this makes me agnostic. In a situation where there is no way of proving either the existence of a God or the non-existence, I don't see any other rational stand.

And, Weird, there's no rule on ASF that says you have to read any posts that you consider a waste of your time. I'm quite happy for you to ignore mine.

 

[Buckeroo]

What amuses me is the exceptionally naive people who claim that the Bible is 'the word or God', and that they believe and follow what's written in the Bible.
But when you challenge those 'beliefs' by pointing out the inconsistencies, contradictions and the more unsavoury parts of the Bible, they duck and weave and accuse you of being inflammatory, delusional, and indulging in fantasy.

Second time today, but, fair enough. Some people I suppose are just very passionate in their beliefs like I'm passionate in the belief that one day I'll be a millionaire. There's a lot of inconsistencies in this I can assure you, like, I keep falling on my own sword!

Cheers

 

[weird]

Thanks Julia, btw enjoy reading your posts.

I will however continue to bump this,

Bring some unbiased research and statistics (I thought this is what atheists based their beliefs on ?) to the table, as mentioned before, crime committed by religious people vs non religious.

 

[Buckeroo]

So are Financial Planners religious nuts?

gg

Oh, very drool, but come to think of it double g, you may be right!

 

[Timmy]

The religious nuts just keep spreadin' the love:

Person to be caned for drinking beer in club