Kevin Rudd

[nunthewiser]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Keating was the king of spin in his day, remember the line "then you switch to vaudeville" ?

Rudd however leaves him for dead.

Glad to see you have finally accepted Rudd as your leader and now beginning to see what an awe inspiring individual he truly is

onya m8

looking forward to more loving posts on the matter

 

[MrBurns]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Glad to see you have finally accepted Rudd as your leader and now beginning to see what an awe inspiring individual he truly is
onya m8
looking forward to more loving posts on the matter

Awe inspiring is right, any pigeon toed ear wax eating vicious little toe rag of a closet homo who can convince Australians he's a good bloke is awe inspiring or does it just mean the Labor party has finally done their job via the teachers union and dumbed Australia down that much that they cant see him for what he is.

 

[Julia]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Keating was the king of spin in his day, remember the line "then you switch to vaudeville" ?

Rudd however leaves him for dead.

Keating at least had a sharp wit in total contrast to the bland, boring, droning Rudd. Even all these years later, I'm always happy to listen to an interview with Paul Keating.

What has he done for Abiriginals except say "sorry"?

Exactly. He's big on empty rhetoric but fails to follow it up with genuine action. This is becoming more and more apparent.

There are more aboriginal kids being taken from their homes in the past two years than the number taken 100 years ago. As reported in recent press statements, Jenny Macklin has not provided one house for aboriginals in the NT. Spent a lot of money in administration.

Again, the window dressing without the substance.

He may have gone to the 2007 election promising to reduce CO2 emissions, however, the harsh ETS legislation he is trying to force on Australia now was not mentioned prior to the election. This ETS he is trying to push through is nothing more than a tax grab equivalant to a 2.5% INCREASE IN THE GST. Many people have no idea what the ETS even stands for except the spin Rudd and Wong are pushing that it will reduce CO2 emissions which is far from the truth.

Even if it were true that 'climate change' is being caused by anthropogenic CO2.

I hope the senate throws the whole thing out of the window irrespect of the ammendments Turnbull is trying to achieve.

Well, here I disagree. If the senate throws it out, Rudd has his perfect double dissolution trigger for an early election. He would unquestionably win this if such an election were to be held prior to the next Budget.
That's why Mr Turnbull is trying to quell the Nationals who want to vote it down. They are morally right, of course, but politically stupid.
It will get passed through the Senate in November almost certainly.

Then the Coalition will hopefully sort itself out well enough to be able to make hay from the next Budget, by which time equally hopefully the electorate will be starting to wake up to what the stimulus package is going to cost them in new taxes and charges, plus the costs of the ETS.

The business community are terrified of what Rudd will impose on them down the track. Unfair dismissals, penalty rates for emplyees, overtime rates just to name a few. Who would want to open for business on weekends with that hanging over their heads. The Labor Party has already been warned that fewer workers will be employed under these conditions. They ask workers to show restraint by accepting lower wages! You have to be joking when the unions are working behind the scene to impose increased wages for weekend workers. You are so naive my friend.

The education revolution promised by Gillard; a lap top for all high school kids. How many have been supplied to date; nobody knows and you are not likely to be told. She forgot about the provision for IT connections in the schools. The money wasted on Julia Gillard memorial halls in many cases were not needed when other structures would have been utilised better. A $250,000 library to be built for a one teacher school which was destined to be closed next year; not very smart in my books. She went over budget by some $1.5 billion. Giggle! Giggle! just a bump in the road?

Does Rudd inspire me? I don't think so.

And so it goes.
Greggy, you're entitled to your view, of course. I'm just a bit surprised that you are so easily taken in by the hollow rhetoric and short term politics.

 

[Calliope]

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TO one audience, he was a top Australian horseman. To another, he was His Excellency.

When Kevin Rudd entered the packed grand ballroom of New York's Waldorf Astoria hotel yesterday he apparently had no idea he would be introduced as akin to the Man from Snowy River.

But Theodore Roosevelt IV, great grandson of the former US president who bears the same name, was determined to highlight the Prime Minister's horse-riding prowess.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26121941-5014047,00.html

Wearing riding boots doesn't make you a horseman. It just makes you look like an idiot.

 

[Putty7]

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Rudd, Turnbull, etc etc none of the dropkicks in politics inspire any real leadership, how the snot nosed little grovellers get to the top is beyond me, well aside from the fact that they are snot nosed little grovellers lol, it would be interesting to see the results of how many turn out if they made voting optional and they actually have to inspire someone to get a vote lol

 

[stocksontheblock]

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...how the snot nosed little grovellers get to the top is beyond me...

In the immortal words of Yes Minister:

Sir Humphrey: MP's are not chosen by the people, they're chosen by their local party, thirty five men in grubby raincoats or thirty five women in silly hats.

Bernard: And the government are selected from the best of them.

Sir Humphrey: Bernard, there are only six hundred and thirty MP's. If one party has just over three hundred it forms a government, of that three hundred one hundred are too old and too silly, one hundred are too young and too callow which leaves just about a hundred MP's to fill one hundred governmental posts. There's no choice at all, they've had no selection, no training. We have to job for them.

 

[Putty7]

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Excellent choice stocks and so true, its a bit sad that we pay these people for the privilege of running this great country and they are never taken to task over their job performance, unfortunately most Aussies are to busy dealing with their own day to day problems to care much one way or another and can you imagine getting Australian tax payers together to put on a united front to actually do anything about it, never happen, well not in my life time anyway and im a cynical 36 years old, a good topic of conversation none the less, always good for a few laughs

 

[greggy]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Hi Greggy Comrade,
What branch do you belong to, comrade?

Uncle Barry,

As I've said earlier, I'm a swinging voter. Prior to voting for Rudd at the last election, I voted for Howard at the 2004 election. At the next state election I'll probably vote Liberal as the Vic ALP is looking tired after 10 years in power. Clearly anyone who has read my previous posts from 2007 would have understood this.
I've never been a member of any political party nor would I ever want to join one.
As for the "Sorry" speech it was very symbolic and should have been done long ago. Costello has said that he favoured such a speech, but Howard was against it.
As for Julia's comments, "Greggy, you're entitled to your view, of course", its good to see that she hasn't changed at all and welcomes different points of views.
To Rudd's critics, is there a decent alternative in place as Turnbull isn't getting the support he deserves from his party? Even Blind Freddy would say "No".

 

[Mr J]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Rudd: Bland, boring, droning, empty, hollow.

Hit the nail on the head Julia, I don't know why people don't see it. I just can't believe people can't see him for the fake weasel that he is. There is nothing genuine about him, or his promises. This must be very frustrating for the third of Australia that sees it.

I feel he's been a reassuring figure in difficult times. He's leading a united party.

I think this is part of the problem. The public places to much emphasis on this rather than performance. Reassuring simply means he can talk.

He got off on the right foot with Aboriginal reconciliation.

What has he done apart from saying sorry? Things don't seem to have changed at all, and the apology was almost certainly only made to score political points. Rudd does this often.

He also seems to be wanting to do something about climate change whilst his predecessor seemed to be a climate change sceptic.

He wants to do something about a situation that is still unproven? The climate is always changing, but I haven't seen any proof that humans are the cause. There's nothing wrong with being sceptical about an issue that is not being discussed objectively.

On the economic front the stimulus package has improved consumer confidence

Improved consumer confidence? He gave most people $1000 and told them to spend it. Most did not, but those that did couldn't help themselves anyway. What a waste. We've got to pay that back with interest.

He's working with the business commmunity in order to assist us in getting through these hard economic times.

I see you have been listening to Ruddy. How has he been working with the business community?

If Turnbull was in power I'm sure he too would have put out a sizable stimulus package.

Sure, but it would have been less. Rudd is only interested in gaining popularity, so it makes sense that he would push everything further to achieve this.

This country isn't going broke thats for sure. When good times resume we'll need to tighten our belts a little to reduce our debt levels.

Doesn't mean money should be wasted like it has been.

Its easy to for people to criticise Mr Rudd but until the Liberals get their act together this country doesn't currently have any other viable option.

Perhaps I'm a little cynical, but I vote for who would do the least damage. A fractured party would certainly be less damaging than a united one.

Please don't think I'm Turnbull bashing here (I'm a swinging voter). I like the fellow (please my posts on other threads

You shouldn't, I've heard from reliable sources that he's a complete a-hole, but not in the nasty, fake way that Rudd is.

 

[trainspotter]

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I need a BEX and a lie down

 

[Buddy]

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And Barny reckons he's worth 1,000,000 smackeroos.

Ha ha ha ................ ha ha ................ha ........... ha, er, ha

 

[Uncle Barry]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Good evening,
Whats this ?
And Barny reckons he's worth 1,000,000 smackeroos.

Not this Uncle Barry !
BUT
lets be fair and reasonable here, Kev Rude is good,
yep,
but I really don't know what for.

Then if hes that good of fella, ok, maybe give him that 1,000,000 ROOS !
I've never see 1 million roos all together, seen a couple of hundred running then after a while, down by the fence haveing a sleep or something there were a few
Kind regards,
UB
PS, what would Kev want with a million roos, beats me
but
hes a strange one that Kev Rude

 

[matty2.0]

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mr burns still poo-pooing rudd.

 

[greggy]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Rudd: Bland, boring, droning, empty, hollow.

Hit the nail on the head Julia, I don't know why people don't see it. I just can't believe people can't see him for the fake weasel that he is. There is nothing genuine about him, or his promises. This must be very frustrating for the third of Australia that sees it.



I think this is part of the problem. The public places to much emphasis on this rather than performance. Reassuring simply means he can talk.



What has he done apart from saying sorry? Things don't seem to have changed at all, and the apology was almost certainly only made to score political points. Rudd does this often.



He wants to do something about a situation that is still unproven? The climate is always changing, but I haven't seen any proof that humans are the cause. There's nothing wrong with being sceptical about an issue that is not being discussed objectively.



Improved consumer confidence? He gave most people $1000 and told them to spend it. Most did not, but those that did couldn't help themselves anyway. What a waste. We've got to pay that back with interest.



I see you have been listening to Ruddy. How has he been working with the business community?



Sure, but it would have been less. Rudd is only interested in gaining popularity, so it makes sense that he would push everything further to achieve this.



Doesn't mean money should be wasted like it has been.



Perhaps I'm a little cynical, but I vote for who would do the least damage. A fractured party would certainly be less damaging than a united one.



You shouldn't, I've heard from reliable sources that he's a complete a-hole, but not in the nasty, fake way that Rudd is.

"A fractured party would certainly be less damaging than a united one" Mr J says. This is a very naive approach. Surely a party that can't govern itself can't govern the country.

"Perhaps I'm a little cynical" Mr J says, try a lot.

You invite people's opinions only to smash them down with a black and white view of the world. At the last election people got sick and tired of an ageing and tired government. In a democracy all opinions, rightly or wrongly, should be respected.

"I think this is part of the problem. The public places to much emphasis on this rather than performance. Reassuring simply means he can talk." Mr J says. The public are no fools. They voted for Howard a number of times until offered a fresh alternative and are likely to re-elect them at the next election. Disunity in opposition rarely brings electoral success.

 

[Mr J]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

"A fractured party would certainly be less damaging than a united one" Mr J says. This is a very naive approach. Surely a party that can't govern itself can't govern the country.

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment. Of course government has duties that must be carried out. Enacting CTS or sending out $1000 cheques is another matter, and to what I'm actually referring.

"Perhaps I'm a little cynical" Mr J says, try a lot.

Yes, I can be very cynical. Governments are generally extremely inefficient, constantly make mistakes and come with many extra a-holes, so can you blame me?

You invite people's opinions only to smash them down with a black and white view of the world.

I was blunt, but I didn't smash your view. My view certainly isn't black and white - it's black, white, and everything in between. However, I'm not naive enough to think that the government has the public's interest at heart.

In a democracy all opinions, rightly or wrongly, should be respected.

While we may officially have a democratically-elected parliament, it's not really much of a democracy. I strongly disagree that all opinions should be respected. Perhaps all should be heard, under a democracy, but asking them to be respected is a little too much I think.

The public are no fools.

I think many here will disagree with you. I believe the public are reasonably foolish. Individually they may not be that foolish, but I think when a mob forms, the lowest common denominator is the result.

I notice that our views balance each other well.

 

[greggy]

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"I notice that our views balance each other well" Mr J says.
I'll agree on that point Mr J. Politically I'm in the middle, what you might call a small "l" liberal. In the ALP I'd be on the right, in the Liberals on the moderate side ("wets").
So if you're not a fan of Turnbull (strangely I am), who would you like as opposition leader?

 

[Mr J]

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That was regarding his personality, although I can't be sure as I haven't met the guy.

 

[greggy]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

That was regarding his personality, although I can't be sure as I haven't met the guy.

A friend of mine who lost his house in the Marysville fire reckons Turnbull's a decent, compassionate bloke. He met him back in Feb.

 

[Julia]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

A friend of mine who lost his house in the Marysville fire reckons Turnbull's a decent, compassionate bloke. He met him back in Feb.

I don't know if Turnbull is either decent or compassionate. But I'd bet my bottom dollar that he lacks the native cunning and capacity for machiavellian connivance that our Prime Minister has in spades.

He also shows a willingness to play less to the popular vote in his suggestion that - rather than cash handouts - he would have gone for more needed infrastructure plus tax cuts to keep the economy afloat. That would have been to the country's longer term benefit, but offered him a lesser short term political advantage.

Mr Rudd, on the other hand, as we all know, opts for the populist approach.
Hence his standing in the polls.

 

[GumbyLearner]

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Found this Cartoon by Nicholson quite humourous

http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/cartoon_6809.html