Israel - Palestine

[Sean K]

Israel's war with Hamas rages as Biden warns Netanyahu over "indiscriminate bombing" in Gaza

Biden's warning over "indiscriminate bombing" in Gaza fails to slow Israel's bombardment, as Palestinians say they're facing a "war of starvation."

www.cbsnews.com

Bombing children is not "self defence"

Netanyahu is a war criminal.

Wrong.

A war crime is putting your military units under civilian infrastructure. Then it's a legitimate military target.

Hamas can surrender any time.

 

[SirRumpole]

I wonder why no-one was ever convicted of the war crime of bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Just a thought.

 

[JohnDe]

Don't forget the bombings of Europe and other locations -

I wonder why no-one was ever convicted of the war crime of bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Just a thought.

 

[Macquack]

Wrong.

A war crime is putting your military units under civilian infrastructure. Then it's a legitimate military target.

You have to be joking.

Nearly 1 in 5 buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed by the Israeli Defence Forces. Buildings full of Hamas miltants building paper aeroplanes.

https://www.reuters.com/pictures/pictures-nearly-fifth-gazas-buildings-destroyed-or-damaged-un-estimate-2023-12-12/#:~:text=Nearly%2040%2C000%20buildings%20or%20about,7%2C%20a%20U.N.%20assessment%20showed.

 

[JohnDe]

You have to be joking.

Nearly 1 in 5 buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed by the Israeli Defence Forces. Buildings full of Hamas miltants building paper aeroplanes.

https://www.reuters.com/pictures/pictures-nearly-fifth-gazas-buildings-destroyed-or-damaged-un-estimate-2023-12-12/#:~:text=Nearly%2040%2C000%20buildings%20or%20about,7%2C%20a%20U.N.%20assessment%20showed.

War is hell.

Protocol I was adopted as an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting the deliberate or indiscriminate attack of civilians and civilian objects, even if the area contained military objectives, and the attacking force must take precautions and steps to spare the lives of civilians and civilian objects as possible. However, forces occupying near densely populated areas must avoid locating military objectives near or in densely populated areas and endeavor to remove civilians from the vicinity of military objectives. Failure to do so would cause a higher civilian death toll resulting from bombardment by the attacking force and the defenders would be held responsible, even criminally liable, for these deaths. This issue was addressed because drafters of Protocol I pointed out historical examples such as Japan in World War II who often dispersed legitimate military and industrial targets (almost two-thirds of production was from small factories of thirty or fewer persons or in wooden homes, which were clustered around the factories) throughout urban areas in many of its cities either with the sole purpose of preventing enemy forces from bombing these targets​

 

[Sean K]

I wonder why no-one was ever convicted of the war crime of bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Just a thought.

Maybe they should have.

But, might have saved millions of other deaths.

It’s a good discussion for another time.

Even it is was technically against the laws of war, that probably doesn’t excuse modern day ones.

 

[IFocus]

Maybe they should have.

But, might have saved millions of other deaths.

It’s a good discussion for another time.

Even it is was technically against the laws of war, that probably doesn’t excuse modern day ones.

The circumstances surrounding the killing of the three Israeli hostages by Israeli troops (some reports saying they were shirtless waving a white flag) show either lack of discipline or intent of the leadership.

it will be interesting to see if the narrative spun by the political / military leadership will hold after this event.

There is no doubt Netanyahu is a criminal, war or civilian take your pick.

 

[SirRumpole]

show either lack of discipline or intent of the leadership.

Or a psychopathic desire for revenge.

 

[JohnDe]

The circumstances surrounding the killing of the three Israeli hostages by Israeli troops (some reports saying they were shirtless waving a white flag) show either lack of discipline or intent of the leadership.

it will be interesting to see if the narrative spun by the political / military leadership will hold after this event.

There is no doubt Netanyahu is a criminal, war or civilian take your pick.

Again, War is hell.

Put a group of armed people in circumstances where there is known combatants wanting to kill you while you are on a rescue mission. They have loved ones at home, they are on a heightened sense of awareness, searching every corner where there might be someone about to kill them or their mate next to them, and so on goes the dilemma.

It is horrible what happened to those three hostages, killed by their rescue force. It is also horrible what those soldiers will have to endure for the remainder of their lives.

In war there is always going to be killing, the moral boundaries are very hazy. The best place to start looking for answers is who killed the first civilian?

In Hamas' Horrific Killings, Israeli Trauma Over the Holocaust Resurfaces October 15, 2023


Protocol I was adopted as an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting the deliberate or indiscriminate attack of civilians and civilian objects, even if the area contained military objectives, and the attacking force must take precautions and steps to spare the lives of civilians and civilian objects as possible. However, forces occupying near densely populated areas must avoid locating military objectives near or in densely populated areas and endeavor to remove civilians from the vicinity of military objectives. Failure to do so would cause a higher civilian death toll resulting from bombardment by the attacking force and the defenders would be held responsible, even criminally liable, for these deaths. This issue was addressed because drafters of Protocol I pointed out historical examples such as Japan in World War II who often dispersed legitimate military and industrial targets (almost two-thirds of production was from small factories of thirty or fewer persons or in wooden homes, which were clustered around the factories) throughout urban areas in many of its cities either with the sole purpose of preventing enemy forces from bombing these targets

 

[basilio]

It is horrible what happened to those three hostages, killed by their rescue force. It is also horrible what those soldiers will have to endure for the remainder of their lives.

The reports were clear. The three men walked out shirtless to make clear they wern't packing suicide vests. Their hands were clear they had no weapons. They were holding a white flag to indicate surrender.

It wouldn't matter whether they were the escaped hostages, Palestinian refugees or Hamas soldiers. Shooting unarmed surrendering people is against every principle of war. Chasing the third hostage who was wounded and ran to cover to finish him off was just the ugliest end . The IDF has a lot to think about with this incident. The horrible realisation that the murdered people were "real" victims that one couldn't pass off as "terrorists" just highlights the profanity of the situation.

 

[JohnDe]

The reports were clear. The three men walked out shirtless to make clear they wern't packing suicide vests. Their hands were clear they had no weapons. They were holding a white flag to indicate surrender.

It wouldn't matter whether they were the escaped hostages, Palestinian refugees or Hamas soldiers. Shooting unarmed surrendering people is against every principle of war. Chasing the third hostage who was wounded and ran to cover to finish him off was just the ugliest end . The IDF has a lot to think about with this incident. The horrible realisation that the murdered people were "real" victims that one couldn't pass off as "terrorists" just highlights the profanity of the situation.

And there will be an investigation, using a legal system with rules.


Protocol I was adopted as an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting the deliberate or indiscriminate attack of civilians and civilian objects, even if the area contained military objectives, and the attacking force must take precautions and steps to spare the lives of civilians and civilian objects as possible. However, forces occupying near densely populated areas must avoid locating military objectives near or in densely populated areas and endeavor to remove civilians from the vicinity of military objectives. Failure to do so would cause a higher civilian death toll resulting from bombardment by the attacking force and the defenders would be held responsible, even criminally liable, for these deaths. This issue was addressed because drafters of Protocol I pointed out historical examples such as Japan in World War II who often dispersed legitimate military and industrial targets (almost two-thirds of production was from small factories of thirty or fewer persons or in wooden homes, which were clustered around the factories) throughout urban areas in many of its cities either with the sole purpose of preventing enemy forces from bombing these targets

 

[basilio]

This article examines the bigger picture of why and how badly the situation between Israel and the Palestinians has deteriorated.

Three hostages killed by mistake: Netanyahu’s shoot-first policies are harming all of us​

Dahlia Scheindlin

The idea that this reckless strategy would strike only one side, as if Israelis and Palestinians were not joined at the heart of this mess, is a lie

The IDF chief of staff has sternly admonished soldiers since Friday that, according to the rules of engagement, shirtless people surrendering with white flags, like the hostages (who also called in Hebrew to be saved), should not be killed. But it’s also true that Israeli soldiers have been shooting Palestinians for years with little or no punishment – whether it’s an autistic man in East Jerusalem or an incapacitated Palestinian attacker already immobilised on the ground. Just two weeks ago, a Jewish Israeli who intervened in a terror attack in Jerusalem was shot dead by IDF soldiers. The one-way road to Friday’s nightmare was paved by the de facto indulgence of shoot-first policies. The idea that these unacceptable practices would be targeted only at Palestinians – as if the two populations are not joined at the heart of this mess – is a lie.

Of course, it was Hamas that lured Israel into the current trap of this filthy war. Blinded by pain, rage and humiliation, Israel only followed one path: overwhelming force. If there were other options, like the targeted, restrained response that Thomas Friedman advocated in the early weeks of the war, Israel’s leaders didn’t seem to consider them. The outcome is incomprehensible death, misery and destruction in Gaza, mistakes, like shooting the hostages, that can that can never be undone.

Three hostages killed by mistake: Netanyahu’s shoot-first policies are harming all of us | Dahlia Scheindlin

Israelis and Palestinians are joined at the heart of this mess, says Dahlia Scheindlin, a political analyst in Tel Aviv

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

A bigger picture view of why the current war will continue far longer than previous conflicts.

Israel and Hamas are locked in a death match that may continue for some time — at heavy cost

Israel's objectives of recovering all its hostages and destroying Hamas are only part of the story of why this war may be a long one, writes Mick Ryan.

www.abc.net.au

 

[wayneL]

It's not hard to spot the anti-Semites.

 

[JohnDe]

It's not hard to spot the anti-Semites.

I think that's part of the issue, the other part is that they have been brainwashed to think that western democracies are the cause of the problems.

It's sad how those people fall behind the beliefs of a countries that have a religious based law, which dictates medieval followings, that limit woman's rights, persecutes gays, preach martyrdom, and so on. And those misguided peoples freely rally against democracies with free elections that separate state and government, have human rights laws, and a legal system for all.

Funny how none commented on proven fact.

Printed in 2003 - MARTYRDOM, SUICIDE, AND THE ISLAMIC LAW OF WAR: A SHORT LEGAL HISTORY​

Whether or not this is true, it is clear that militant Islam presents profound and difficult challenges for Western political and legal systems. Concomitantly, the Islamic world confronts its own significant challenges from both within and without. Muslims seem to be in great turmoil and despair, deeply troubled by the perceived marginalization and demonization of Islamic ideas and norms in Western discourse and by the Arab world’s glaring failure to achieve significant progress in scientific, technological, and political realms.4 There is also deep, widespread anger among Muslims over the subordination, humiliation, and physical subjugation of certain Muslim communities, especially the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza, known today as the Occupied Territories.5

Classical Islamic juridical-religious doctrine dictates that when non-Muslim adversaries seriously threaten Islam or Muslim communities — because of their Islamic identity — Muslims are entitled to go to war to defend their religion, the community, and the Dar al-Islam.6 This kind of war, arguably the only kind of war permitted by Islamic law,7 is described in the classical sources as an important variety of the religious obligation of jihad.

The Prophet Muhammad taught that there are two kinds of jihad. The “greater jihad” [jihad al akbar] involves the individual’s constant and eternal struggle with the evil and immoral aspects of the self. This was said by the Prophet to be much more important than the “lesser jihad” [jihad al asgar] which includes, inter alia, the military struggle by Muslims collectively seeking to defend the religion or the community. It is the notion of the “greater jihad,” with its emphasis on justice, rectitude, fidelity, integrity, and truth that gives the concept of jihad its profound meaning in Islamic theology and law. This attitude pervades the entire theory of Islamic law toward all lesser jihadist behavior, including the military jihad, and the level of intention and purpose required of the believer in discharging his or her jihad obligations.

It is important to understand that Islam is not just a religion and a system of theological thought. It is also a system of jurisprudence, one that finds its primary sources in religious texts and uses those texts to create legal norms, obligations, prescriptions, and prohibitions for its adherents to live and govern themselves by. All forms of jihad, including the “military jihad,” are, therefore, complex clusters of such norms, obligations, prescriptions, and prohibitions.

Gaza could have been like Singapore. It dug tunnels instead​

Singapore’s revolution from an impoverished Third World outpost was achieved in not much more than a generation. Gaza had the same opportunity, but chose to pass.​

Much of Gaza is in smouldering ruin. And Gazans are to blame. They voted for Hamas and polls show they would do so again, not that they have had the chance lately. Hamas likes to present itself as a resistance movement, but its raison d’etre is the slaughter of Jews – and anyone else who would support Israel’s democracy. Most Gazans agree with that.

The Washington Institute – Condoleezza Rice is an adviser, as was Henry Kissinger until his death last month – reported not long before Hamas’s October 7 slaughter of innocents in Israel that 57 per cent of Gazans expressed “a somewhat positive” opinion of Hamas, as did 52 per cent of Palestinians on the West Bank.

The Ramallah-based Arab World for Research and Development on November 14 published the results of a poll it had taken, one question of which was: How do you view the role of Hamas? A total of 48.2 per cent responded “very positively” while 27.8 per cent responded “somewhat positive”. That means 76 per cent of Palestinians support Hamas after its depraved foot-soldiers flooded into Israel in October incinerating families, killing babies, raping men and women they then shot dead, and decapitating with a shovel one woman who fought them off.

Gaza’s leader, Ismail Haniyeh, 1800km away at the time, saw it all unfold on Al Jazeera, which he watched in his luxury office in Doha, the capital of Qatar. (The Qatari government funds Al Jazeera, which is best known for its anti-Semitic, anti-American broadcasts and its glorification of Islamic terror.)

The Hamas boss and his 13 children prefer Doha to the challenges of life in Gaza – which he is not-so-slowly destroying from a distance.

Senior Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, pictured in Gaza City in 2014, is directing operations from his luxury digs in Doha, Qatar. Picture: Reuters

Haniyeh is so murderously vile that even Fatah leader and Palestinian National Authority boss Mahmoud Abbas can’t stand him – although they do meet irregularly, bonded by their mutual hatreds.

Abbas is often caught out telling lies about Jews and has done so all his life. He studied at a Russian university and his thesis was published as a book – The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism – thatbroke the news that the Jews were partners with the Nazis and as such were equally responsible for the Holocaust.

On September 6, Abbas helpfully explained that, in any case, Hitler killed the Jews because he believed them to be exploitative money-lenders. Abbas usually cynically apologises for such absurd comments but seems to have forgotten to do so this time.

Haniyeh reportedly is very wealthy. He is said to profit handsomely from the tunnel smuggling business, which can turn over $600m a year and circumvents the Egyptian and Israeli blockades of Gaza, so the status quo suits him fine. So far he has overseen five wars with Israel: 2008-09, 2012, 2014, 2021 and the one now under way. Every time, Haniyeh uses Gaza’s citizens as human shields – and thousands have died.

Palestinian citizens inspect damage to their homes caused by Israeli airstrikes on October 13. Picture: Getty

Martyrs, he calls these victims of his sinful barbarism.

Gaza has never been at this low an ebb. Rooting out Hamas – as Israel has pledged – will mean many unavoidable, non-combatant deaths, as Haniyeh fully understands, expects and for which he planned. It’s among the reasons he is hiding in Doha.

Things could have been so different for Gaza. There were proposals for its development that might have seen it on the trajectory that powered Singapore to economic prosperity after 1965.

And they have a few things in common. At independence in 1965, Singapore’s land mass (at low tide) was 578sq km – it has grown to 734sq km since reclaiming marshlands, mangrove swamps and mosquito-infested jungle. But it has many more inhabitants than Gaza with population density of 8330 people per square kilometre.

Gaza is 365sq km and had a population density of about 3600 people per square kilometre when Israel withdrew from the territory in August 2005. Despite constant claims of various genocides committed by Israel there since, Gaza’s population has rocketed and stands at 2,299,000 with a population density of 6507 per square kilometre.

Singapore’s gross domestic product per capita in 1965 was $US517. Last year it was $US87,884 and ahead of the US. The GDP for the West Bank and Gaza was about $US3100 last year – ahead of India but just below Sri Lanka.

The Singapore skyline at night. Picture: istock

Singapore’s revolution from an impoverished Third World outpost with no natural resources, no industry, and that relied on its neighbours for energy, food and water – does that sound familiar? – was achieved in not much more than a generation.

The future of the envied tiger economy was founded on racial and religious tolerance with a radical plan to invite foreign capital – which required political stability – and develop industrial land while investing deeply in education, basic at first but soon leaning towards the technical skills the new industries would need.

Last week the annual OECD Program for International Student Assessment results measuring the mathematical, reading and scientific literacy of 15-year-old students were announced. It rates the education performance of 81 countries: Singapore came out on top. Again.

By 1975 Singapore had achieved full employment. Industry was at first simple manufacturing including matches, fishing hooks and mosquito repellents. The transition to high-value manufacture, especially computer products, was swift. And it never scrimped on defence; like Israel, it introduced compulsory conscription and has a standing force of more than 50,000 personnel but can call on more than 250,000 reservists.

By the turn of the century Singapore was an affluent global city, having coasted through the Asian financial meltdown of 1998.

Israel’s disengagement with Gaza was announced in 2003 and by 2005 its remaining citizens were removed, many forcibly by Israeli soldiers, some dragged from their synagogues, which soon were desecrated. The departure had been on the cards for years, back to the day when a two-state solution still seemed possible, even if, as late as 2000, the Palestine Liberation Organisation’s Yasser Arafat, when offered a historic and generous deal brokered by US president Bill Clinton and Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, sabotaged the negotiations. Peace was the last thing on his mind.

Not long before Arafat’s death the Palestinians created laws to pay salaries for Palestinians jailed in Israel for terrorist offences and murder – cementing in a permanent incentive for young Palestinians to kill Jews. For Palestinians, crime does indeed pay and it reportedly costs 8 per cent of the Palestinian budget.
Nonetheless, much of the world saw promise in Gaza at this time and, with investors from Japan, Spain, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Morocco, what became the Yasser Arafat International Airport – a good half the size of Sydney airport – was opened by Clinton in November 1998.
International airlines started arriving and 90,000 passengers, including would-be business investors, flew in the following year. But the runways were bombed by Israel in response to the Second Intifada that started in 2000, during which 1137 Israelis were murdered and more than 8000 injured by explosions at public places and suicide bombers while others were stabbed and shot.

Killed in this hate wave was 15-year-old Melbourne student Malki Roth who was at a pizza restaurant with her best friend, who also was murdered. (The Arab woman who arranged the bombing, Ahlam Tamimi, smiled when she heard 15 had died in the attack and said recently: “Allah granted me success … I would do it again today, and in the same manner.”)

Despite the unending, unprovoked violence from Israel’s enemies, particularly those in Gaza, plans to develop the strip sprouted as business thinkers saw the strategic advantages and possibilities of the land and the extraordinary number of locals of working age. The average age in Gaza is 18.

Nineteen days after Roth was murdered, the International Monetary Fund released a report on the economic prospects of the West Bank and Gaza, which it described as “favourable”. It spoke of the need for GDP growth of 8 per cent – a challenge, but it had been achieved before. In any case, the territories’ GDP had grown an average 6 per cent annually for three decades.

The IMF reported that were there political stability “the economy should be able to enjoy an extended period of high growth”. It also stated that “there is considerable scope for expansion of Palestinian trade with the rest of the world, in particular with the European Union and the United States”.

A more detailed plan for Gaza was drawn up by Rhode Island’s Roger Williams University (ironically, Williams was a 17th-century campaigner for religious freedom and the separation of church and state), the goals of which were job creation, sustainable economic development and environmental security. It saw opportunities in Gaza’s 41km of beautiful Mediterranean coast – in contrast, Monaco can claim only 3.8km of the Mediterranean. It proposed the establishment of a free trade industrial zone that would employ 30,000 and generate jobs for perhaps another 120,000.

Initially, the plan was to build near the Egyptian border. “Later the zone would be expanded inland and offshore in Palestinian waters on to a large artificial island with a connecting causeway, which will also serve as a jet aircraft runway and with a deep water port.”

The report’s authors believed start-up costs would be $300m to $450m. It is worth noting that today’s war reportedly is costing Israel an estimated $900m a week. (The Gaza conflict is a proxy war on Jews masterminded and funded by Iran whose plan it is to undermine the Israeli economy.)

Indeed, the report predicted strong economic development across the northern Sinai area driven by the growth from Gaza.
In the style of the development of Singapore, the Williams report boldly supported the idea of an 8km to 10km causeway to the reclaimed island, its docks and airport. The prospects should have been tantalising for Gaza, Egypt, Israel – and for peace.

But the people of Gaza voted to be run by Hamas, a terrorist organisation not known for its economic ambitions. Instead of building upwards and outwards, like Singapore, Hamas decided to build down. Colloquially known as the metro, Gaza’s hundreds of kilometres of deep tunnels are wide, illuminated, and house stockpiles of weapons – including rockets – an army of its soldiers, food and water stores, sick bays and airconditioned command centres.

A young boy wears a Hamas cap at Dar al-Akram school in Gaza City in 2006. Picture: AFP

Today they also hold dozens of kidnapped Israelis who we now know are being starved, tortured and sexually assaulted. The reinforced tunnels are a wonder of modern engineering and put to shame the constricted, hand-dug burrows of the Viet Cong. Gaza’s tunnels spread under the nearby border areas of Israel so Hamas fighters can emerge at night to slay their enemies like swarms of orcs, as they did in July 2014, killing soldiers and returning with the body of Lieutenant Hadar Goldin to be used as a macabre bargaining chip.

Hamas boasted in 2012 that it had built 500km of tunnels in Gaza. There are thousands of access points, many under houses (including children’s bedrooms), hospitals, schools and mosques. How low can Hamas go? Possibly 70m. It is reported that Hamas had 1500 men digging away at the tunnels on which it has been spending about $60m annually.

Uncovering the extent of Gaza tunnels, the Israel Defence Forces – which knows a bit about tunnels itself, having built a complex of them to rehearse troops fighting in those situations – estimated in 2014 that there were 600,000 tonnes of concrete in them by then. A recent estimate put that at about 725,000 tonnes. To put that into perspective, there are 80,000 tonnes of concrete in Sydney’s Gladesville Bridge whose arch, when it was completed in 1964, was the longest single concrete span in the world. There are 113,000 tonnes of concrete in the Empire State Building.

Instead of its tunnels, Gaza could have constructed its own Burj Khalifa, the pride of the Arab world and the world’s tallest building. And one wonders what those Palestinians who spontaneously erupted in celebration with the news that almost 3000 people had been vaporised when Islamic terrorists brought down the World Trade Centre towers in New York would think if they knew the concrete in Gaza’s tunnels could have built both towers – twice over.

The goodwill among Israelis towards Gazans is enduring. It dates back to a remarkable American woman, Henrietta Szold, who in the early decades of the last century founded a hospital, clinics and a system of visiting nurses for the people of Palestine who could not afford First World care, no matter their religion.

That spirit has never faded. For a couple of years I was a member of Project Rozana, an organisation established by big-hearted Melbourne businessman Ron Finkel. It helps raise funds for hospitals and healthcare in Israel with a particular focus on assisting Palestinians on the West Bank and in Gaza to access that care in Israel.

It also raises funds for another project called Road to Recovery, started by a Jewish man whose brother was murdered by Hamas. This involves more than 1000 Israelis, often retirees, who volunteer to use their own cars, while paying for their own petrol, driving to the gates of Gaza and the West Bank and transporting Palestinians, mostly children with their mothers, to modern care at Israeli hospitals where you will also find ambitious young Palestinians training as doctors and specialists. You also would regularly find being treated there the children of senior Hamas officials.

These volunteers drive the Palestinians back home as well. Finkel, as noble an Australian as you will meet, believes in trying to repair the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians one family at a time.

Until recently, one of the drivers has been Finkel’s old friend, Canadian-Israeli Vivian Silver, who not only drove Palestinians but co-founded an organisation called Women Wage Peace that included activists on both side of the Gaza fence. She worked with other peace organisations and sought partnerships with the people of Gaza in cultural projects.

Peace activist Vivian Silver, who was murdered in the massacre at Be’eri kibbutz on October 7. Picture: Women Wage Peace

She was murdered in the massacre at Be’eri kibbutz on October 7 and her house was burned down. More than 130 of her neighbours also were pointlessly killed.

Silver’s was not the only kibbutz that had sought ties with Gazans. The kibbutz movement predates the establishment of the state of Israel and comprised socialist collectives that ran farms which, among other initiatives, led the concept of water management as Israel has turned granite into green – practices they have shared with their Arab neighbours.

Farther south is the village of Nir Oz, which also was once earmarked for joint economic partnerships with villages in southeast Gaza. One of the men who established Nir Oz in 1955 was Arye Zalmanovich, 86, who was kidnapped on October 7 and has died in Gaza, the oldest victim of October’s massacres. More than 180 of his friends in the village were executed that morning.

To the north is the Kfar Aza kibbutz whose residents had planned to fly kites at the Gaza border on October 7 to fill the sky with hope and as a demonstration of peace towards their Palestinian neighbours.

But hate was on the horizon and it trumped hope that day.

What is going on in the minds of those who can torture and massacre their neighbours, burning some alive and then even spit on the naked body of an Israeli woman while it was being transported back to Gaza?

The answer is indoctrination: the anti-Semitic poison that is the mark of Palestinian newspapers and broadcasters, and imams across the globe, and the foul and regularly condemned education system overseen by the UN.

If you tell Palestinian children that Jews are the descendants of pigs and apes, that they stole your land and that every hardship you face is the direct result of their presence there, this is what you will get.

If you name streets, sporting events and even schools after mass-murdering terrorists and make celebrities of them when they are freed from jail, this is what you will get. If you make role models of those who would blow themselves up in places where Jews gather, this is what you will get.

Al Jazeera reported the story on July 14 this year of a group of Palestinian teenagers asked what they wanted to be when they grew up. They did not hesitate: “Martyrs,” they said in unison.

ALAN HOWE HISTORY AND OBITUARIES EDITOR

 

[SirRumpole]

It's not hard to spot the anti-Semites.

You don't know what you are talking about Wayne.

Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. The terminology is now largely unused outside the grouping "Semitic languages" in linguistics.

Semitic people - Wikipedia

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Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples or Proto-Semitic people were speakers of Semitic languages who lived throughout the ancient Near East and North Africa, including the Levant, Mesopotamia, the Arabian Peninsula and Carthage from the 3rd millennium BC until the end of antiquity, with some, such as Arabs, Arameans, Assyrians, Jews, Mandaeans, and Samaritans having a continuum into the present day.

Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples - Wikipedia

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[wayneL]

You don't know what you are talking about Wayne.

Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. The terminology is now largely unused outside the grouping "Semitic languages" in linguistics.

Semitic people - Wikipedia

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Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples or Proto-Semitic people were speakers of Semitic languages who lived throughout the ancient Near East and North Africa, including the Levant, Mesopotamia, the Arabian Peninsula and Carthage from the 3rd millennium BC until the end of antiquity, with some, such as Arabs, Arameans, Assyrians, Jews, Mandaeans, and Samaritans having a continuum into the present day.

Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples - Wikipedia

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Yes that is strictly true, but in common usage, as you well know, it is used in reference to Jews.

But if we're being pedantic, let me rephrase:

It's not hard to spot the Jew haters.


Yes, let's use more accurate language.

 

[Macquack]

Current and former politicians sign letter supporting Palestinians and calling for government to review relationship with Israel​

MSN

"It is beyond dispute that Israel is committed to policies designed to entrench the domination of one people over another in the territories of Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

"Attempts to deny this, or smear those who allege it, are an attempt to defy truth and reality."

 

[basilio]

What is wrong with this paragraph ?

“But as in the Jewish ghettoes of Occupied Europe, there are no prison guards –Gaza is policed not by the occupiers but by a local force. Presumably, the more fitting term ‘ghetto’ would have drawn fire for comparing the predicament of besieged Gazans to that of ghettoized Jews. It also would have given us the language to describe what is happening in Gaza now. The ghetto is being liquidated.”

Hannah Arendt would not qualify for the Hannah Arendt prize in Germany today​

Samantha Hill

The irony of Masha Gessen almost not being awarded the prize because of their writings on Gaza is almost too thick to cut

Hannah Arendt would not qualify for the Hannah Arendt prize in Germany today | Samantha Hill

The irony of Masha Gessen almost not being awarded the prize because of their writings on Gaza is almost too thick to cut

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

Israel at war in Gaza City.

Cardinal condemns ‘cold–blooded’ killing of two women in Gaza church​

Vincent Nichols says shooting of mother and daughter did nothing to further Israel’s right to defend itself

• Israel-Gaza war – live updates

Harriet Sherwood
@harrietsherwood
Mon 18 Dec 2023 22.18 AEDTLast modified on Tue 19 Dec 2023 13.31 AEDT


The shooting of a mother and daughter allegedly by an Israeli military sniper in a church compound in Gaza City was a “cold–blooded killing”, the most senior Catholic cleric in England has said.

Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the archbishop of Westminster, said the shooting did “nothing to further Israel’s right to defend itself”.

The two women were killed inside the Holy Family parish in Gaza City on Saturday, according to the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem. Most of Gaza’s Christian families have taken refuge in the compound since the start of the war.

Nahida Khalil Anton and her daughter Samar were shot as they walked to the sister’s convent, the patriarchate said. One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety.
“Seven more people were shot and wounded as they tried to protect others inside the church compound. No warning was given, no notification was provided. They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents.”

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