Without Arabs scholars, scientists, mathematicians, astronomers... the World and the West probably couldn't even do maths, couldn't even make a proper sail for their ships etc. etc.; the Renaissance would't have happened because without Arab's translations of the Greek's classics, they would have been lost forever.
And that's just from me as a pedestrian reader of history.
Before you group an entire race like that, may worth asking why Iraq/Babylon was known as the cradle of civilisation.
Before you group an entire race like that, may worth asking why Iraq/Babylon was known as the cradle of civilisation.
Not while the Arabs are the disunited rabble that they are now. But Israel is only 8 million people against how many Arabs ?
I was under the impression that it was Greece and Rome.
No it was Babylon/Persia.
The Persian empire expanded and almost took over Greek civilisations - twice (Sparta and the Marathon); Then Alexander the Great, after his father united, i think, almost all Greek city states, Alexander finish the job and challenge and defeat the Persian empire... He died young and his empire was divided into some 5 kingdoms among his generals - one of which was the Ptolemy, ancestors of Cleopatra.
Before Rome was even a fledgling unified Italian Republic, the superpower in the Mediterranean was Carthage - probably splinters of Greek and North African part of Alexander's empire...
Carthage's Hannibal almost took over Rome but after series of defeats, Scipio Africanus of Rome burn Carthage to the ground and the Roman empire starts to dominate.
They peaked hundreds of years ago and it's been all downhill from there.
I wouldn't actually call Alexander the Great "civilised". He just went around conquering people.
What did the Arabs ever done to the Jewish people?
You seem to think that all the Arabs and Arab Sheiks and leaders does all day is pray, beat their women and dream of killing Jews.
Not only is that offensive, don't you think it also put the Jewish people a bit too high up the priority scale?
I suppose because the Israelis are not involved in that, it provokes less interest.
The media and the public seem to think (with some justification) that Syria is one lot of crazies against another lot of crazies and whatever happens there is the result of lawlessness and lack of respect for life on both sides, and there is not a lot anyone can do about it.
In Israel/Gaza we have a country that purports to be civilised shelling schools, homes and refugee camps. That obviously brings up difficult questions of what action the rest of the world should take against Israel for these atrocities, given that the Palestinians are not entirely blameless either as they started firing rockets first.
Unfortunately, yes a very complicated situation. There are extremists on both sides, both elected by the people of the respective countries/territories.
In the present day they voted in a bunch of jihadists called Hamas dedicated to the destruction of Israel.
I think that probably the amount of land in dispute is too little for the Israeli's (8 million) and the Palestinians (4 million) to comfortably co-exist. Either the Palestinians move to surrounding countries, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, or the Israelis move to other parts of the world, but I can't see either of these alternatives happening.
In the present day they voted in a bunch of jihadists called Hamas dedicated to the destruction of Israel.
I think that probably the amount of land in dispute is too little for the Israeli's (8 million) and the Palestinians (4 million) to comfortably co-exist. Either the Palestinians move to surrounding countries, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, or the Israelis move to other parts of the world, but I can't see either of these alternatives happening.
I don't want to argue for one side or the other in this thread. I find it all far too complicated and can see the huge difficulties of both sides.
But luutzu, you seem to be ascribing to bellenuit a particular stance which I don't believe he/she has taken.
On the contrary, I've now read several of bellenuit's posts which show an objectivity and appreciation of both sides not expressed by anyone else.
The only other observation I'd dare to make is the number of posts (reflected in general media coverage) of this war in comparison with what seems to me to be a far greater number of people killed, tortured, and driven from their homes in Syria. I suppose because the Israelis are not involved in that, it provokes less interest.
Do I ? I'd like not to have people think they can read my mind or put words in my mouth.
The Arabs are disunited in their attitude towards Israel, otherwise they would have taken over long ago.
Priority for what ? The Israelis are 8 million, the Palestinians are 4 million. Who should have priority ?
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