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Wrong.

A war crime is putting your military units under civilian infrastructure. Then it's a legitimate military target.

Hamas can surrender any time.
 
I wonder why no-one was ever convicted of the war crime of bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Just a thought.
 
Wrong.

A war crime is putting your military units under civilian infrastructure. Then it's a legitimate military target.
You have to be joking.

Nearly 1 in 5 buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed by the Israeli Defence Forces. Buildings full of Hamas miltants building paper aeroplanes.

 

War is hell.

Protocol I was adopted as an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting the deliberate or indiscriminate attack of civilians and civilian objects, even if the area contained military objectives, and the attacking force must take precautions and steps to spare the lives of civilians and civilian objects as possible. However, forces occupying near densely populated areas must avoid locating military objectives near or in densely populated areas and endeavor to remove civilians from the vicinity of military objectives. Failure to do so would cause a higher civilian death toll resulting from bombardment by the attacking force and the defenders would be held responsible, even criminally liable, for these deaths. This issue was addressed because drafters of Protocol I pointed out historical examples such as Japan in World War II who often dispersed legitimate military and industrial targets (almost two-thirds of production was from small factories of thirty or fewer persons or in wooden homes, which were clustered around the factories) throughout urban areas in many of its cities either with the sole purpose of preventing enemy forces from bombing these targets
 
I wonder why no-one was ever convicted of the war crime of bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Just a thought.

Maybe they should have.

But, might have saved millions of other deaths.

It’s a good discussion for another time.

Even it is was technically against the laws of war, that probably doesn’t excuse modern day ones.
 
Maybe they should have.

But, might have saved millions of other deaths.

It’s a good discussion for another time.

Even it is was technically against the laws of war, that probably doesn’t excuse modern day ones.

The circumstances surrounding the killing of the three Israeli hostages by Israeli troops (some reports saying they were shirtless waving a white flag) show either lack of discipline or intent of the leadership.

it will be interesting to see if the narrative spun by the political / military leadership will hold after this event.

There is no doubt Netanyahu is a criminal, war or civilian take your pick.
 

Again, War is hell.

Put a group of armed people in circumstances where there is known combatants wanting to kill you while you are on a rescue mission. They have loved ones at home, they are on a heightened sense of awareness, searching every corner where there might be someone about to kill them or their mate next to them, and so on goes the dilemma.

It is horrible what happened to those three hostages, killed by their rescue force. It is also horrible what those soldiers will have to endure for the remainder of their lives.

In war there is always going to be killing, the moral boundaries are very hazy. The best place to start looking for answers is who killed the first civilian?

In Hamas' Horrific Killings, Israeli Trauma Over the Holocaust Resurfaces October 15, 2023


Protocol I was adopted as an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting the deliberate or indiscriminate attack of civilians and civilian objects, even if the area contained military objectives, and the attacking force must take precautions and steps to spare the lives of civilians and civilian objects as possible. However, forces occupying near densely populated areas must avoid locating military objectives near or in densely populated areas and endeavor to remove civilians from the vicinity of military objectives. Failure to do so would cause a higher civilian death toll resulting from bombardment by the attacking force and the defenders would be held responsible, even criminally liable, for these deaths. This issue was addressed because drafters of Protocol I pointed out historical examples such as Japan in World War II who often dispersed legitimate military and industrial targets (almost two-thirds of production was from small factories of thirty or fewer persons or in wooden homes, which were clustered around the factories) throughout urban areas in many of its cities either with the sole purpose of preventing enemy forces from bombing these targets
 
It is horrible what happened to those three hostages, killed by their rescue force. It is also horrible what those soldiers will have to endure for the remainder of their lives.

The reports were clear. The three men walked out shirtless to make clear they wern't packing suicide vests. Their hands were clear they had no weapons. They were holding a white flag to indicate surrender.

It wouldn't matter whether they were the escaped hostages, Palestinian refugees or Hamas soldiers. Shooting unarmed surrendering people is against every principle of war. Chasing the third hostage who was wounded and ran to cover to finish him off was just the ugliest end . The IDF has a lot to think about with this incident. The horrible realisation that the murdered people were "real" victims that one couldn't pass off as "terrorists" just highlights the profanity of the situation.
 

And there will be an investigation, using a legal system with rules.


Protocol I was adopted as an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, prohibiting the deliberate or indiscriminate attack of civilians and civilian objects, even if the area contained military objectives, and the attacking force must take precautions and steps to spare the lives of civilians and civilian objects as possible. However, forces occupying near densely populated areas must avoid locating military objectives near or in densely populated areas and endeavor to remove civilians from the vicinity of military objectives. Failure to do so would cause a higher civilian death toll resulting from bombardment by the attacking force and the defenders would be held responsible, even criminally liable, for these deaths. This issue was addressed because drafters of Protocol I pointed out historical examples such as Japan in World War II who often dispersed legitimate military and industrial targets (almost two-thirds of production was from small factories of thirty or fewer persons or in wooden homes, which were clustered around the factories) throughout urban areas in many of its cities either with the sole purpose of preventing enemy forces from bombing these targets
 
This article examines the bigger picture of why and how badly the situation between Israel and the Palestinians has deteriorated.

Three hostages killed by mistake: Netanyahu’s shoot-first policies are harming all of us

Dahlia Scheindlin


The idea that this reckless strategy would strike only one side, as if Israelis and Palestinians were not joined at the heart of this mess, is a lie

The IDF chief of staff has sternly admonished soldiers since Friday that, according to the rules of engagement, shirtless people surrendering with white flags, like the hostages (who also called in Hebrew to be saved), should not be killed. But it’s also true that Israeli soldiers have been shooting Palestinians for years with little or no punishment – whether it’s an autistic man in East Jerusalem or an incapacitated Palestinian attacker already immobilised on the ground. Just two weeks ago, a Jewish Israeli who intervened in a terror attack in Jerusalem was shot dead by IDF soldiers. The one-way road to Friday’s nightmare was paved by the de facto indulgence of shoot-first policies. The idea that these unacceptable practices would be targeted only at Palestinians – as if the two populations are not joined at the heart of this mess – is a lie.

Of course, it was Hamas that lured Israel into the current trap of this filthy war. Blinded by pain, rage and humiliation, Israel only followed one path: overwhelming force. If there were other options, like the targeted, restrained response that Thomas Friedman advocated in the early weeks of the war, Israel’s leaders didn’t seem to consider them. The outcome is incomprehensible death, misery and destruction in Gaza, mistakes, like shooting the hostages, that can that can never be undone.

 
It's not hard to spot the anti-Semites.

I think that's part of the issue, the other part is that they have been brainwashed to think that western democracies are the cause of the problems.

It's sad how those people fall behind the beliefs of a countries that have a religious based law, which dictates medieval followings, that limit woman's rights, persecutes gays, preach martyrdom, and so on. And those misguided peoples freely rally against democracies with free elections that separate state and government, have human rights laws, and a legal system for all.

Funny how none commented on proven fact.




Singapore’s revolution from an impoverished Third World outpost was achieved in not much more than a generation. Gaza had the same opportunity, but chose to pass.


 
It's not hard to spot the anti-Semites.

You don't know what you are talking about Wayne.

Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. The terminology is now largely unused outside the grouping "Semitic languages" in linguistics.


Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples or Proto-Semitic people were speakers of Semitic languages who lived throughout the ancient Near East and North Africa, including the Levant, Mesopotamia, the Arabian Peninsula and Carthage from the 3rd millennium BC until the end of antiquity, with some, such as Arabs, Arameans, Assyrians, Jews, Mandaeans, and Samaritans having a continuum into the present day.

 
Yes that is strictly true, but in common usage, as you well know, it is used in reference to Jews.

But if we're being pedantic, let me rephrase:

It's not hard to spot the Jew haters.


Yes, let's use more accurate language.
 

Current and former politicians sign letter supporting Palestinians and calling for government to review relationship with Israel​




"It is beyond dispute that Israel is committed to policies designed to entrench the domination of one people over another in the territories of Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

"Attempts to deny this, or smear those who allege it, are an attempt to defy truth and reality."
 
What is wrong with this paragraph ?

“But as in the Jewish ghettoes of Occupied Europe, there are no prison guards –Gaza is policed not by the occupiers but by a local force. Presumably, the more fitting term ‘ghetto’ would have drawn fire for comparing the predicament of besieged Gazans to that of ghettoized Jews. It also would have given us the language to describe what is happening in Gaza now. The ghetto is being liquidated.”

Hannah Arendt would not qualify for the Hannah Arendt prize in Germany today

Samantha Hill

The irony of Masha Gessen almost not being awarded the prize because of their writings on Gaza is almost too thick to cut

 
Israel at war in Gaza City.


Cardinal condemns ‘cold–blooded’ killing of two women in Gaza church

Vincent Nichols says shooting of mother and daughter did nothing to further Israel’s right to defend itself


Harriet Sherwood
@harrietsherwood
Mon 18 Dec 2023 22.18 AEDTLast modified on Tue 19 Dec 2023 13.31 AEDT


The shooting of a mother and daughter allegedly by an Israeli military sniper in a church compound in Gaza City was a “cold–blooded killing”, the most senior Catholic cleric in England has said.

Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the archbishop of Westminster, said the shooting did “nothing to further Israel’s right to defend itself”.

The two women were killed inside the Holy Family parish in Gaza City on Saturday, according to the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem. Most of Gaza’s Christian families have taken refuge in the compound since the start of the war.

Nahida Khalil Anton and her daughter Samar were shot as they walked to the sister’s convent, the patriarchate said. One was killed as she tried to carry the other to safety.
“Seven more people were shot and wounded as they tried to protect others inside the church compound. No warning was given, no notification was provided. They were shot in cold blood inside the premises of the parish, where there are no belligerents.”

 
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