It is pretty evident all the Arab Islamic states are behind Hamas and in particular Iran who want to see the extinction of Israel.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/i...-crisis-is-israels-destruction/#ixzz38X51zmj8
Seriously, Israel is a nuclear armed, economically powerful, militarily is among the most advanced nation in the world - and it's backed up by the US.
Who CAN seriously do any real damage to Israel's security? China? Russia? Germany?... oh, the Palestinians.
So Hamas hates the Jews, hates Israel... are you going to kill every man and his children if his militant representative hates you? I guess you would if you can do it with impunity.
It is pretty evident all the Arab Islamic states are behind Hamas and in particular Iran who want to see the extinction of Israel.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/i...-crisis-is-israels-destruction/#ixzz38X51zmj8
I don't know about Hamas and its origins so I don't know.
From what I've heard from the news debates and interviews, the blockade on Gaza since 2008 [?] and the coup in Egypt recently had made Hamas weak, broke, couldn't pay its employees and was losing support. So they want to join with Fatah in the West Bank and negotiate with Israel... Israel has no interests in peace.
In one of the lectures given by Finkelstein, he cite a study by a former Israeli Foreign or Defense Minister looking at all the wars since the 1948 War of Independence to I think 2008, and that former Minister concludes this: That of all the wars Israel has been involved in since 1948, maybe, maybe the 1948 war was a war of necessity. All other wars are war either of choice or of folly.
Lest I'm being accused of being selective and brainwashed... there's a lecture by the son of a famous Israeli general, whose grandparents also fought for Israel at its founding, and who himself was in the IDF, and whose 13 year old niece was killed in a terrorist attack by the Palestinians in a cafe...
He said that when he went through the transcript of the 1967 war room strategy meetings ... his father, a famous Israeli General, discuss how Israel ought to attack Egypt because Egypt is not ready, won't be ready for at least another year and since they're now on Mt. Sinai [?], it's easier for Israel to attack etc...
So the war was won, Gaza and the West Bank taken, the world love Israel for being able to defend itself against Arab aggressions...
The man said his father then turn to the question of the Palestinian state and recommend that Israel should define its border, give Palestine theirs, and both will be able to live in peace in each other's State.
Instead, part of the West Bank has already been bulldozed and billions of dollars has already been invested there, and then there's the land of Israel as written in the Bible etc. etc.
Anyway, those who are interested doesn't need me to summarise what I just learn - they can just youtube it themselves; those who aren't interested already have had their mind made up so it's quite useless what i'm doing.
It is pretty evident all the Arab Islamic states are behind Hamas and in particular Iran who want to see the extinction of Israel.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/i...-crisis-is-israels-destruction/#ixzz38X51zmj8
It is pretty evident all the Arab Islamic states are behind Hamas and in particular Iran who want to see the extinction of Israel.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/i...-crisis-is-israels-destruction/#ixzz38X51zmj8
Good to see those Iranian arabs are supporting their fellow arabs
The people of Iran ain't Arab.
They are Persian.
A big difference.
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The people of Iran ain't Arab.
They are Persian.
A big difference.
gg
One of the things that concerns me is the backing and involvement from Iran......They are on the cusp of having nuclear weapons and I fear some Iranian idiot may let lose on Israel with a nuclear war head on a log range missile......if that happens all hell will break out in the middle East.
SIZE=4]]Israel's rank and rotten fruit is being called fascism[/SIZE]
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/israe...led-fascism-20140724-zwd2t.html#ixzz38ldkVZQZ
....It is a breathtaking irony that these atrocities can be committed by a people with a proud liberal tradition of scholarship and culture, who hold the Warsaw Ghetto and the six million dead of the Holocaust at the centre of their race memory. But this is a new and brutal Israel dominated by the hardline, right-wing Likud Party of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition. As one observer puts it: "All the seeds of the incitement of the past few years, all the nationalistic, racist legislation and the incendiary propaganda, the scare campaigns and the subversion of democracy by the right-wing camp – all these have borne fruit, and that fruit is rank and rotten. The nationalist right has now sunk to a new level, with almost the whole country following in its wake. The word 'fascism', which I try to use as little as possible, finally has its deserved place in the Israeli political discourse."
...But in all these long and agonising decades, Israel has never offered the Palestinians a just and equitable peace. They would have only a splintered, vassal state, their polity and economy and even their borders and freedom of travel and trade managed and determined by Israel. The occupation of Palestinian lands would remain with the relentless expansion of illegal Israeli settlements on the West Bank of the Jordan and the Dead Sea.
As the Palestine Liberation Organisation official Hanan Ashrawi put it this week in a television interview with the Australian journalist Hamish Macdonald: "No nation can accept being imprisoned, being besieged by land, by air, by sea and deprived of the most basic requirements of a decent life: freedom of movement, clean water. For seven years they have been under a brutal and lethal Israeli siege ... You shell them and you bomb them; you destroy homes, you destroy whole neighbourhoods. You obliterate, annihilate, whole families, and then you come and say that this is self defence?"
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/israe...led-fascism-20140724-zwd2t.html#ixzz38leA3Ben
Why Don’t I Criticize Israel? (Sam Harris)
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
I think that article encapsulates what many of us feel about this conflict. Shocked with the overreaction of Israel, but somewhat understanding of the impossible situation they are in.
That was a very long post by Sam Harris. I can see some of his points but for another point of view - shorter and to the point consider Mike Carlton's piece.
By the way I have selectively quoted Mikes piece. The person calling Israels policies "fascist is in fact a Jewish writer. Worth reading the whole piece.
I doubt very much that any informed person in the world feel about this conflict as you do.
Why Don’t I Criticize Israel? (Sam Harris)
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
I think that article encapsulates what many of us feel about this conflict. Shocked with the overreaction of Israel, but somewhat understanding of the impossible situation they are in.
Maybe it depends on who is doing the informing.
I said I was shocked at the overreaction of Israel. Am I the only one in the world who feels that?
I have said I think they are in an impossible situation. What do you do when your neighbour's ruling elite say their aim is to annihilate you no matter what? That aim is not contingent on the outcome of the conflict between the two, but an absolute goal that they intend to pursue no matter what the outcome. Do you not think that is an impossible situation? We in the West might have the luxury of treating such a threat to us as just bellicose rhetoric, but if I were Jewish, I might have a very different perspective. Yes, I would like to see the Palestinians have their own state too, but there have been many people more informed than I who have stated over and over that Arafat could have had what they now would accept, but failed to grasp that opportunity.
Luutzu, it is obvious that you have strong feelings about what is happening to the Palestinians, but there is not just one opinion about the situation. I am expressing my opinion and if I am the only person in the world that has that opinion, how do you account for the article by Sam Harris? That is his opinion too. Is nobody informed accept those who agree with you? I don't think anyone should injure or kill anyone else, but that doesn't mean I am to ignore Hamas and the role it is playing. They clearly want this to happen. The more Palestinians that get killed and the more graphic the imagery is on TV the better it is for them politically. Have you even considered that one sided reactions such as yours and in particular what now seems a personal attack on other people's (my) opinion on the situation may be exactly what Hamas is trying to evoke? By not condemning Hamas too, which you seem to have done only in the meekest of terms, you may actually be contributing to what is happening as it only encourages them to pursue the struggle in the way they are doing it. As I said in one of my first posts, Hamas would not be firing rockets at Israel and we would not have had the over the top retaliation that we have seen from Israel, if those in the West were to condemn Hamas for its actions as vociferously as they condemn Israel.
I don't have a cold heart to the suffering of the Palestinians, but I am also not a pawn to the political strategy of Hamas. Condemnation is deserving to both sides and if I am more forceful in calling out Hamas, maybe it is because I perceive a lack of balance in the general discourse.
I was unsure if I should contribute to this thread after you started it as I believe the topic is very emotive and issues can quickly become personal. Perhaps I would have been wiser to keep my "uninformed" opinions to myself and not accepted your invitation to comment.
Why Don’t I Criticize Israel? (Sam Harris)
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
I think that article encapsulates what many of us feel about this conflict. Shocked with the overreaction of Israel, but somewhat understanding of the impossible situation they are in.
Why Don’t I Criticize Israel? (Sam Harris)
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
I think that article encapsulates what many of us feel about this conflict. Shocked with the overreaction of Israel, but somewhat understanding of the impossible situation they are in.
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