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Israel in the Gaza Strip


Cat Stevens originally Steve Demetre Georgiou, changed name to Yusuf Islam in 1978 after becoming a Muslim. He did in fact deny supporting the fatwa against Salman Rushdie in an interview, saying he was misinterpreted.
 
He did in fact deny supporting the fatwa against Salman Rushdie in an interview, saying he was misinterpreted.


Misrepresented.....hmmmmm.....yes ,yes misrepresented....no doubt at all
 
sorry noirua but the rule here is wikipedia is only a reliable source if it supports your arguments, if it doesn't then its biased and you're obviously ignorant and need to do further reading from "approved" sources (ie. those that support whatever you are trying to say).

btw the EU envoy blames HAMAS for the humanitarian disaster


this thread is going on longer than the actual conflict. it like M*A*S*H or something.

rederob said:
Terrorism is not, and was never, the sole domain of Muslims

no, but it is very deeply rooted in islamic teaching and is justified by the actions of the prophet mohmmed (who muslims consider the "perfect human", a rapist, paedopile, terrorist, slaver, nasty piece of work etc. etc.)


once again its all topsy turvy, we in the west are consistently accused of racism and vilification while offering muslim immigrants access to our society and all the first world employment, educational, medical and leisure opportunities, yet the fundamental teachings of islam which all muslims must adhere to remain free from criticism. should a westerner dare to criticise then not only are they met with death threats and fatwahs from the islamic world, they are met with hate speech charges from their own legal institutions which are desperate to maintain the illusion of multicultural harmony and are willing to trample our rights to free speech to do it. on the flipside islamic clerics can rant and rave about bringing down our institutions, killing jews, homosexuals and apostates, beating women and other atrocities with what seems to be impunity.


why is this state of affairs allowed to continue? who is responsible for this hypocrisy? will it really have to take the election of extreme right wing governments to take action against this daily treason against our values and our way of life? will this thread ever die? :
 
When Israel returns Gaza to Palestinian rule, I suspect the thread could end.

In 2005 Israel removed its settlers from Gaza, bulldozed their homes and demolished its military bases. Palestinians have been running Gaza since then.

Didn't you notice?
 
In 2005 Israel removed its settlers from Gaza, bulldozed their homes and demolished its military bases. Palestinians have been running Gaza since then.

Didn't you notice?
I noticed that Hamas, who won power in 2007 through democratic elections, was shunned internationally and by the Palestinian Authority.
This led immediately to sanctions, which were progressively intensified by Israel as a form of collective punishment, such that most Gazans are now reliant on the UN for their meagre existence.
The Palestinians of Gaza have no control over their borders, airspace or external trade.
Gaza remains unrecognised legally, and is in conflict with the Palestinian Authority who have nominal control over the territory.
To say that the Palestinians have been running Gaza since 2005 is an excellent example of "spin".
 
Click link for video

Turkish PM storms off in Gaza row

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/davos/7859417.stm


Please examine the statements in red made by the Israeli president.

Then please read this article

Gaza's humanitarian crisis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7191359.stm


Is that enough of a why for the Israeli president? Seems according to independent 3rd parties (press, humanitarian orgs, the UN, Jimmy Carter, etc) there WAS a siege and there WAS starvation in Gaza...

Ignore the Turkish doofus, they have their own **** to answer for with the Kurds.
 
Just sounds like Israel are saying leave us alone and we will leave you alone.
The blockage refers to Israels borders which have been closed because of security fears
 
Just sounds like Israel are saying leave us alone and we will leave you alone.
The blockage refers to Israels borders which have been closed because of security fears
You really have no clue at all.
If you did you might wonder why the UN can't get their supplies in, why doctors can't get in to treat the injured, or why patients can't get out for essential treatments, or why water and fuel supplies are affected.
 
Redrob:
Gaza also has a border with Egypt.
Israel does not control that border.
Maybe it's another thing you failed to notice?
 
Redrob:
Gaza also has a border with Egypt.
Israel does not control that border.
Maybe it's another thing you failed to notice?
Perhaps you fail to understand the influence that Israel has over Egypt as a result of their peace accord. Israel controls the number of police Egypt can maintain (750) along the Gaza border, and exercises de facto control over the Rafah crossing.
There is no doubt that Egypt could "give" a little in the present climate. However, Hamas is no friend of Egypt. And Egypt's formal corridors to Gaza lie with dialogue with the Palestinian Authority, which is trying to bring Hamas undone.
 
This has to be one of the most interesting threads I have read. A few things I will add.

1. This isn't a war about Israel and Hummus (sorry Hammas), this is war about Fundamental Islam and the western world. For everyone that supports Hammas (note: they were voted by their people) , it is the same thing as supporting terror. Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Saudis, West Bank, all want Hammas out as they pose a big threat not just to Israel, but to themselves with the possibility of a Fundamentalist up roar within their own countries. Get this - Their own Muslim brothers / countries want them out.

2. A lot more can be written, but my thoughts are well represented in these very interesting videos:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=nI5WoXpmPiM&feature=related
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA&feature=related

3. I love Muslims, Jews and respect all religions, but I think the fundametalists give the larger majority a bad name
 
Aren't you the lucky one.
So the second intifada is responsible for Israel continuing to deny Gazans basic human rights?
As I said, you haven't got a clue. And your link clearly demonstrates your depth of understanding of the complexities at hand.

Here's another couple of clueless statements for ya

The suffering of the Palestine people will never cease while Hamas is in control
The Israel-Gaza strip conflict will never be resolved while Hamas is in control
The rocket attacks and tunnel building that led to the border blockages will not stop while Hamas is in charge
No aid from Egypt will be forthcoming while Hamas is the governing body in Gaza
And Israel blockages of Gaza border areas will never be lifted while Hamas is the ruling entity in Palestine
More clueless statements later, cheers
 
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