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Cat Stevens publicly supported the Ayatollah Khomeini’s death sentence for blasphemy against Salman Rushdie in 1989 (“The Qur’an makes it clear,” said the author of “Peace Train,” that “if someone defames the Prophet, then he must die”)

Cat Stevens originally Steve Demetre Georgiou, changed name to Yusuf Islam in 1978 after becoming a Muslim. He did in fact deny supporting the fatwa against Salman Rushdie in an interview, saying he was misinterpreted.
 
He did in fact deny supporting the fatwa against Salman Rushdie in an interview, saying he was misinterpreted.

May 23, 1989: "Cat Stevens Gives Support To Call for Death of Rushdie," by Craig R. Whitney
LONDON, May 22 -- The musician known as Cat Stevens said in a British television program to be broadcast next week that rather than go to a demonstration to burn an effigy of the author Salman Rushdie, ''I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing.''

The singer, who adopted the name Yusuf Islam when he converted to Islam, made the remark during a panel discussion of British reactions to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's call for Mr. Rushdie to be killed for allegedly blaspheming Islam in his best-selling novel ''The Satanic Verses.'' He also said that if Mr. Rushdie turned up at his doorstep looking for help, ''I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like.''

''I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is,'' said Mr. Islam, who watched a preview of the program today and said in an interview that he stood by his comments.

Misrepresented.....hmmmmm.....yes ,yes misrepresented....no doubt at all :rolleyes:
 
sorry noirua but the rule here is wikipedia is only a reliable source if it supports your arguments, if it doesn't then its biased and you're obviously ignorant and need to do further reading from "approved" sources (ie. those that support whatever you are trying to say).

btw the EU envoy blames HAMAS for the humanitarian disaster

Humanitarian aid chief Louis Michel called the destruction left by Israel's offensive "abominable", but said Hamas bore "overwhelming responsibility".

He said there would be no dialogue with the "terrorist" movement until it gave up violence and recognised Israel...

"At this time we have to also recall the overwhelming responsibility of Hamas," he said.

this thread is going on longer than the actual conflict. it like M*A*S*H or something.

rederob said:
Terrorism is not, and was never, the sole domain of Muslims

no, but it is very deeply rooted in islamic teaching and is justified by the actions of the prophet mohmmed (who muslims consider the "perfect human", a rapist, paedopile, terrorist, slaver, nasty piece of work etc. etc.)

from the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."

once again its all topsy turvy, we in the west are consistently accused of racism and vilification while offering muslim immigrants access to our society and all the first world employment, educational, medical and leisure opportunities, yet the fundamental teachings of islam which all muslims must adhere to remain free from criticism. should a westerner dare to criticise then not only are they met with death threats and fatwahs from the islamic world, they are met with hate speech charges from their own legal institutions which are desperate to maintain the illusion of multicultural harmony and are willing to trample our rights to free speech to do it. on the flipside islamic clerics can rant and rave about bringing down our institutions, killing jews, homosexuals and apostates, beating women and other atrocities with what seems to be impunity.

wiki on undercover mosque said:
Undercover Mosque generated controversy because it contained footage of British imams making the following statements:

Dr. Ijaz Mian on the subject of non-Muslim laws: “You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir [non-Muslim]…[w]e have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.”

Abu Usamah saying of apostates: “If the imam wants to crucify him he should crucify him. The person is put up on the wood and he's left there to bleed to death for three days.”

Abu Usamah speaking on the deficiency of women's minds: “Allah has created the woman, even if she gets a PhD, deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man.”

Praises the killer of a British soldier serving in Afghanistan, stating "The hero of Islam is the one who separated his head from his shoulders.”

Abdullah el-Faisal: “You have to bomb the Indian businesses, and as for the Jews you kill them physically.” :eek: :eek: :eek:

Advocates violent Jihad against the non-muslims and predicting that an army of Muslims will arise against the non-muslims in England.

Dr Bilal Philips on marriage with girls before puberty: “The prophet Muhammad practically outlined the rules regarding marriage prior to puberty. With his practice, he clarified what is permissible, and that is why we shouldn't have any issues about an older man marrying a younger woman, which is looked down upon by this society today, but we know that Prophet Mohammed practised it, it wasn’t abuse or exploitation, it was marriage.”

Condemns Muslim integration into British society.

Calls for the overthrow of the British government and democracy. “[T]hey will fight in the cause of Allah. I encourage all of you to be from amongst them, to begin to cultivate ourselves for the time that is fast approaching where the tables are going to turn and the Muslims are going to be in the position of being uppermost in strength, and when that happens, people won’t get killed – unjustly.”

Dr. Mian: “You are in a situation in which you have to live like a state within a state, until you take over.”

Al Jibali: “By the age of ten, it becomes an obligation on us to force her to wear hijab, and if she doesn’t wear hijab, we hit her.”

Dr. Mian praised the Saudi religious police practice of imprisoning people who do not pray: “They send the police, and they say, well, if you don’t come for prayer, close your shop, we will arrest you But if you don’t, then we have to bring the punishment on you, you will be killed, and nobody will pray on you.”
Abu Usamah saying that homosexuals should be killed by throwing them off a cliff, stating “throw [the homosexual] off the mountain.”

why is this state of affairs allowed to continue? who is responsible for this hypocrisy? will it really have to take the election of extreme right wing governments to take action against this daily treason against our values and our way of life? will this thread ever die? :p:
 
When Israel returns Gaza to Palestinian rule, I suspect the thread could end.

In 2005 Israel removed its settlers from Gaza, bulldozed their homes and demolished its military bases. Palestinians have been running Gaza since then.

Didn't you notice?
 
In 2005 Israel removed its settlers from Gaza, bulldozed their homes and demolished its military bases. Palestinians have been running Gaza since then.

Didn't you notice?
I noticed that Hamas, who won power in 2007 through democratic elections, was shunned internationally and by the Palestinian Authority.
This led immediately to sanctions, which were progressively intensified by Israel as a form of collective punishment, such that most Gazans are now reliant on the UN for their meagre existence.
The Palestinians of Gaza have no control over their borders, airspace or external trade.
Gaza remains unrecognised legally, and is in conflict with the Palestinian Authority who have nominal control over the territory.
To say that the Palestinians have been running Gaza since 2005 is an excellent example of "spin".
 
Click link for video

Turkish PM storms off in Gaza row

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/davos/7859417.stm

Turkey's prime minister has stormed off the stage at the World Economic Forum in Davos after a heated debate on Gaza with Israel's president.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan clashed with Shimon Peres, whose voice had risen as he made an impassioned defence of Israel's actions, jabbing his finger.

Mr Erdogan said Mr Peres had spoken so loudly to conceal his "guilt".

He accused the moderator of not allowing him to speak and said he did not think he would return to Davos.

The Turkish PM stressed later that he had left the debate not because of his disagreements with Mr Peres but because he had been given much less time to speak than the Israeli leader.

Turkey is one of the few Muslim countries to have dealings with Israel, but relations have been under strain since the Islamist-rooted AK Party was elected to power in 2002.

Late on Thursday, a WEF official said that Mr Peres and Mr Erdogan had spoken by mobile telephone, and both men now considered the matter closed.

Dinner time

In the debate, Mr Erdogan was cut off as he attempted to reply to Mr Peres.

Earlier the Turkish Prime Minister had made an address himself, describing Gaza as an "open-air prison".

When the audience applauded Mr Peres, he said: "I find it very sad that people applaud what you said. You killed people. And I think that it is very wrong."

The moderator, Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, had given him a minute to reply, then asked him to finish, saying that people needed to go to dinner.

"I do not think I will be coming back to Davos after this because you do not let me speak," Mr Erdogan shouted before marching off the stage in front of Mr Peres, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and an elite audience of ministers and international officials.

Mr Peres had told the audience Israel was forced on to the offensive against Hamas by thousands of rockets and mortars fired into Israel.

"The tragedy of Gaza is not Israel, it is Hamas," the Israeli leader said.

"Why did they fire rockets? There was no siege against Gaza. Why did they fight us, what did they want? There was never a day of starvation in Gaza."


He argued that Mr Erdogan would have reacted in the same way if rockets had hit Istanbul.

More than 1,300 Palestinians and 14 Israelis were killed during the three-week conflict which began on 27 December.

At news conference later on Thursday, Mr Erdogan complained that he had been allowed to speak just 12 minutes to 25 for Mr Peres.

"I did not target at all in any way the Israeli people, President Peres or the Jewish people," he said.

"I am a prime minister, a leader who has specifically expressly stated that anti-Semitism is a crime against humanity."

Please examine the statements in red made by the Israeli president.

Then please read this article

Gaza's humanitarian crisis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7191359.stm

A group of UK-based human rights and development organisations have called for fundamental policy changes towards the Gaza Strip by Israel, the international community and the West Bank-based Palestinian leadership.

Their report details what are calling the worst humanitarian crisis in the strip since Israel occupied it in the 1967 war, and describe it as a man-made disaster resulting from the isolation and blockade of Gaza after its take-over by Hamas militants last June.

The following are the main points in the report, sponsored by Amnesty International, Care International UK, Cafod, Christian Aid, Medecins du Monde UK, Oxfam, Save the Children UK and Trocaire.

POVERTY LEVELS

More than 80% of Palestinians in Gaza rely on humanitarian assistance, with UN food aid going to about 1.1 million people - three quarters of the population.


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The number of families dependant on the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (Unrwa) has increased tenfold since 1999.

Household monthly incomes dropped by 22% in less than four months (June-September 2007). The number of households earning less than $1.20 per person per day went from 55% to 70%.

The UN appeal for humanitarian aid in 2008 is $462m, more than twice the 2006 appeal and the third largest UN request after Sudan and Congo.

RESTRICTIONS ON MOVEMENT

Israel prevents the import of a list of specific essential humanitarian goods requested by aid agencies, including some fuel supplies, spare parts, cement, technical assistance and cotton for hygiene items.

Travel in and out of Gaza is all but impossible and supplies of food and water, as well as sewage treatment and basic healthcare can no longer be taken for granted.

Food prices are rising and wheat flour, baby milk and cooking oil are increasingly scarce.


A joint Israeli-Palestinian agreement in November 2005 has not succeeded in allowing cross-border access and movement to bolster the Gazan economy.

On average 12 export trucks a day passed through Karni goods crossing during 2006 - a fraction of the intended number.

Supplies to Gaza, intended to be 250 trucks a day, are limited to 45 trucks a day.

ECONOMIC COLLAPSE

Gaza baker with queue for bread
Gaza businesses are about subsistence not wealth creation
Most private businesses have shut down in the last six months and 95% of Gaza's industrial operations are suspended as a result of import and export restrictions. Unemployment is close to 40%.

Construction and agriculture have ground to a halt, 3,500 factories out of 3,900 have closed, causing 75,000 private sector job losses.

Gaza's agricultural sector has suffered from repeated Israeli incursions destroying fields and greenhouses. Israel insists that no crop is allowed to grow over 40cm high, limiting farmers to cash crops which are costly to produce and heavily reliant on accessible export markets.

The numbers of people working in Israel, 24,000 Gazans in 2000, has been reduced to zero.

UTILITIES

Israeli allows 2.2 million litres of EU-supplied industrial diesel per week, which is not enough to keep Gaza's main power plant operating at full capacity.

There is a 20% shortfall in electricity with implications for hospitals, sewage works, water supply and other public institutions.


Between 25-30% of the population of the Gaza Strip does not receive running water at home because electricity is not available for pumping. About 30-40 million litres of sewage flows untreated into the sea every day.

HEALTHCARE CRISIS

Hospitals experience power cuts for 8-12 hours a day and depend on generators to run basic facilities, although there is a shortage of diesel. Spare parts for generators are almost impossible to obtain.

Access to lifesaving treatment outside Gaza has become more necessary, but in December 2007 only 64% of applicants were given permits to leave the strip by Israel, leading to dozens of patient deaths.

CHILDREN

Gaza children
A good education system ought to be a lifeline for Gaza's children
More than 56% of Gaza's population are children. Almost 2,000 pupils have dropped out of school this academic year.

School has been disrupted by electricity cuts; classes with high energy consumption such as IT have been cancelled; there is a shortage of textbooks and other resources.

A UN survey indicated 80% failure rates in most years and up to 90% failure rates in mathematics.

Director of the UN relief agency for Palestinian Refugees in Gaza, John Ging, said: "What we are seeing is the collapse of education standards due to the cumulative effects of the occupation, closures, poverty and violence."

SECURITY

Israel retains effective control of Gaza's land and sea borders and air space, and the movement of people and goods
. As such it has obligations as an occupying power to ensure the welfare of the Palestinian population, the humanitarian agencies say.

They acknowledge Israel has an obligation to protect its citizens from rocket attacks from Gaza, but argue that the current strategy of isolating and blockading Gaza has not stopped rocket attacks.

Gazans' lives are mostly characterised by insecurity according to the agencies: military presence and attacks, extra-judicial assassinations, loss of land, restrictions on movement, lack of drinking water, unemployment, and barriers to healthcare and education.

Is that enough of a why for the Israeli president? Seems according to independent 3rd parties (press, humanitarian orgs, the UN, Jimmy Carter, etc) there WAS a siege and there WAS starvation in Gaza...

Ignore the Turkish doofus, they have their own **** to answer for with the Kurds.
 
Just sounds like Israel are saying leave us alone and we will leave you alone.
The blockage refers to Israels borders which have been closed because of security fears ;)
 
Just sounds like Israel are saying leave us alone and we will leave you alone.
The blockage refers to Israels borders which have been closed because of security fears ;)
You really have no clue at all.
If you did you might wonder why the UN can't get their supplies in, why doctors can't get in to treat the injured, or why patients can't get out for essential treatments, or why water and fuel supplies are affected.
 
Redrob:
Gaza also has a border with Egypt.
Israel does not control that border.
Maybe it's another thing you failed to notice?
 
Redrob:
Gaza also has a border with Egypt.
Israel does not control that border.
Maybe it's another thing you failed to notice?
Perhaps you fail to understand the influence that Israel has over Egypt as a result of their peace accord. Israel controls the number of police Egypt can maintain (750) along the Gaza border, and exercises de facto control over the Rafah crossing.
There is no doubt that Egypt could "give" a little in the present climate. However, Hamas is no friend of Egypt. And Egypt's formal corridors to Gaza lie with dialogue with the Palestinian Authority, which is trying to bring Hamas undone.
 
This has to be one of the most interesting threads I have read. A few things I will add.

1. This isn't a war about Israel and Hummus (sorry Hammas), this is war about Fundamental Islam and the western world. For everyone that supports Hammas (note: they were voted by their people) , it is the same thing as supporting terror. Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Saudis, West Bank, all want Hammas out as they pose a big threat not just to Israel, but to themselves with the possibility of a Fundamentalist up roar within their own countries. Get this - Their own Muslim brothers / countries want them out.

2. A lot more can be written, but my thoughts are well represented in these very interesting videos:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=nI5WoXpmPiM&feature=related
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA&feature=related

3. I love Muslims, Jews and respect all religions, but I think the fundametalists give the larger majority a bad name
 
Aren't you the lucky one.
So the second intifada is responsible for Israel continuing to deny Gazans basic human rights?
As I said, you haven't got a clue. And your link clearly demonstrates your depth of understanding of the complexities at hand.

Here's another couple of clueless statements for ya

The suffering of the Palestine people will never cease while Hamas is in control
The Israel-Gaza strip conflict will never be resolved while Hamas is in control
The rocket attacks and tunnel building that led to the border blockages will not stop while Hamas is in charge
No aid from Egypt will be forthcoming while Hamas is the governing body in Gaza
And Israel blockages of Gaza border areas will never be lifted while Hamas is the ruling entity in Palestine
More clueless statements later, cheers :)
 
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