wayneL
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What do Muslims think?
I suspect that views are as diverse as us here. but I had a long chat with an Egyptian chap in Londinium today.
He was firmly of the opinion that it was Hamas' fault for kicking it off, but was absolutely distraught over the Palastinian civilian casualties and thought Israel was going too far... but took great pains to point out that he had no inherent animosity towards Israel and that Egypt had made peace a long time ago.
Just one bloke, but pretty balanced I thought.
An interesting take. I don't know if he is a radical, conservative, realist or whatever. But has interesting views.
mayk said:Does it even matter?
No, WGAF.
Back to my beer.
Can you name any action taken by Arab leaders? This enforces my view of WGAF.
Yes. But it resulted in having their @sses handed to them on a plate, courtesy of US weaponry and support. Discretion is the better part of valour, even in the Muslim world.
It's how the Palestinians find themselves in the position they are in.
Read up a bit.
Palestinians are pawns in the game among, Israel, Arabs and Iran. Many also consider them as a buffer between Israel and Arab countries. This is the key political strategy adopted by Arabs after the 1967 blunder. Better them than us.
On a human level any compassionate human being, regardless of faith, will sympathize with the civilian causalities. Violence begets violence. As someone mentioned earlier "Fighting for peace is like Farking for chastity".
The only powerful authority to do anything about this issue is UN, on which Arab nations have no control over. That is why EU has more say than all the Muslim nations combined. This was my prime reason for WGAF, what Muslims think.
Arabs living happily together?20% of israel is arab of various religions. all living very happily together.
it all depends on how you measure it. nice try though.
but hear this..... people baptised chritian have been responsible, directly or indirectly for more deaths on planet earth then any other group of people ever. their biggets victims.... other christians... before you continue to deny it... do your maths first and do a body count from year 1300 to now.
if you dont know history, just do the last 300 years. or even the last 100 years.
muslims dont even come close. they try... but dont come close.
I expect a difficulty in the situation being discussed is finding a mediator who is genuinely objective. Any nominations? I'd think most people (certainly soon to be Secretary of State Hilary Clinton) will at least be perceived to hold bias by one or both sides.
Whiskers, I'm not sure that 'conflict resolution' as a tool is a "one size fits all" sort of instrument. I don't know the context of the conflict resolution training you've had, but I'd suggest a workplace model, e.g. wouldn't necessarily be the perfect for mediation between warring countries.
Whiskers,
Seeing as you want to play the semantics game re conflict resolution, there is a difference between playing the man and playing the behaviour. I don't play the man, I play the behaviour, read the posts properly.
Palestine has never had that luxury from the Zionists...
Apart from the point that the English and others dumped the Jews in that area.
What would you do is you were attacked from all sides after just being nearly exterminated.
I will tell you if I was a Jewish person after that I would not take S.H.I.T from any one that started up with me.
Israel has had it with these explosions and casualties. It is defending itself appropriately, despite complaints that Israel's response is not proportional. If proportionality is key, may Israel shoot 5,422 missiles and mortars indiscriminately into Gaza's residential neighborhoods?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/394573_murdockonline03.html
...no matter how many terms & concepts learned by rote are regurgitated from some TAFE course.
There is qualification, then there is experience. Your stance here exposes a dearth of the latter as a conflict resoluter.
So in the final analysis I think Kennas earlier post about what people stand for, what they are trying to achieve, is more relevant.
So from a conflict resolution sense while Hamas and it's alias has the anialition of Israel as their objective the present situation will continue.
So one of two things has to happen for there to be any chance of peace in the region: Hamas and it's alias have to not only recind the anialition of Israel as their objective, but demonstrate it in a substantial way, then I expect Israel and it's alias will recommence peace talks.
Having said all that I'm not real keen on Israel, but from a conflict resolution perspective certain things are fundamental pre requesites and Hamas demonstrates no intention of resolution of the conflict... just emotionally immature 'Right Fighting'.
Exactly. And this is the point all your theorising is missing, Whiskers.In order for dialogue to begin, Israel must back off completely and Hamas must stop launching rockets. When and if that doesn't happen, on either side, forget it. Just watch the fireworks. You are not going to bring either side to the table.
Not sure I'd entirely agree with this but it's a subject for another thread.Yes,semantics (the study of meaning in communication) is essentially important in conflict resolution. The meaning of any communication is that of and or intended by the conveyor, not the perception of the reciever.
Sure as hell not the Palestinians' fault either.Had it not been for the NAZI movement it's quite plausable that we would not be having this arguement about who threw the first stone and who belongs where, let alone the level of conflict that is currently in the middle east. Ceretainly not the Jewish peoples fault that the Nazis essentially started this train of events.
As already pointed out by Lucas. This, Whiskers, is how it has to begin.Instead of if this and if that accompanied by theory copied straight out of a textbook, tell us how you would get both sets of terrorists to the table.
No one, let alone a parent raised in a Western culture, could imagine placing children directly in harm's way or encouraging impressionable infants to worship death, but that is what the thugs and murderers responsible for the slaughter in Gaza have been doing.
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