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Tisme said:
Never a truer word spoken. Racism is a word made to weaponise those who envy whitey.
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Yea I know. Whiteys are the meekest of the meeks. Always going out there freeing people; getting them to become more civilised; teaching them how to farm sugar canes, cotton; housing people, feeding them, letting them live rent free on plantations while they learn agriculture; always ridding people off their language and cultures so it's easier that we're on the same page about whose God's the real deal and whose are just fairy tales.

It's funny but I have seen lectures by the idiot god of capitalist - Milton Friedman - saying that colonisation is good for the colonised. It's never beneficial for the mother country. He said it with a straight face too.
 
luutzu said:
Yea I know. Whiteys are the meekest of the meeks. Always going out there freeing people; getting them to become more civilised; teaching them how to farm sugar canes, cotton; housing people, feeding them, letting them live rent free on plantations while they learn agriculture; always ridding people off their language and cultures so it's easier that we're on the same page about whose God's the real deal and whose are just fairy tales.

It's funny but I have seen lectures by the idiot god of capitalist - Milton Friedman - saying that colonisation is good for the colonised. It's never beneficial for the mother country. He said it with a straight face too.
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Never confuse whities with those imposters with slightly tallow skin... they don't count. They themselves felt the yolk of colonialism at the hands of the Greeks and Romans, who themselves were over lorded by tribes like the Sumerians. This has contributed to the rich tapestry of civilisation that now finds its crowning glory down on Australian beaches soaking in the rays with a tinnie in one hand and a bird in the other.:rolleyes:
 
Tisme said:
Never confuse whities with those imposters with slightly tallow skin... they don't count. They themselves felt the yolk of colonialism at the hands of the Greeks and Romans, who themselves were over lorded by tribes like the Sumerians. This has contributed to the rich tapestry of civilisation that now finds its crowning glory down on Australian beaches soaking in the rays with a tinnie in one hand and a bird in the other.:rolleyes:
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Oh yea, forgot. Real Whites need a few freckles on them pink and whites. None of those olivey, I-can-stand-in-the-sun-awhile type. :D

Yea, Western civilisation is one big, long series of Bruce Lee movies. "You have [colonised] my family; and you have offended the Shaolin Temple. Watar!".

Maybe we all ought to skip the action bits and head down the beaches. Except for Muslim women wearing the burkini, of course.
 
luutzu said:
Oh yea, forgot. Real Whites need a few freckles on them pink and whites. None of those olivey, I-can-stand-in-the-sun-awhile type. :D

Yea, Western civilisation is one big, long series of Bruce Lee movies. "You have [colonised] my family; and you have offended the Shaolin Temple. Watar!".

Maybe we all ought to skip the action bits and head down the beaches. Except for Muslim women wearing the burkini, of course.
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You have learned much young padawan. Your training is almost complete.

I was just thinking that the Netflix two season serial "Marco Polo" might be a good watch for you. It's absolute rubbish historically, but the debauchery, naked women and bloodlust must be real because it's about Asian empire. Very well made and so expensive they can't afford to make a third season.
 
Tisme said:
You have learned much young padawan. Your training is almost complete.

I was just thinking that the Netflix two season serial "Marco Polo" might be a good watch for you. It's absolute rubbish historically, but the debauchery, naked women and bloodlust must be real because it's about Asian empire. Very well made and so expensive they can't afford to make a third season.
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A bit like Rome then - two seasons and it collapsed.

Thanks but I like my history series to be as historically accurate as possible. None of these history-based fantasies where the only thing they got right are the characters name. So will save the sex, naked women and debauchery for Games of Thones :D

The Comrades in China used to make very good historical dramas. Though they've copied our Western junk and popularise it way too much lately - history as it happened are much more interesting than the fluff any writers can come up with, so stick to it! That and they now get the North VNese comrades to dub or narrate over the Mandarin.

But yea, Romance of the Three Kingdoms; Heroes of the Marsh; Spring and Autumn; Warring States... viewers can get entertained and enlightened at the same time from those. A bit like the BBC's I, Claudius and the recent HBO's John Adams.
 
Are we getting a bit blase?http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/us-mall-attacker-shot-dead-after-knife-rampage-20160918-grj179.html
and then obviouslyhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-18/explosion-in-chelsea-new-york-injures-people/7855924
but the good thing is that even before knowing anything about it, the relevant authorities talk about "a criminal act not immediately linked to any terror organisation."
Sleep sleep well, and during that time, the west keeps doing the same mistakes again and again, even involving us in this mess:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-18/australian-jets-involved-in-botched-air-strike-on-syrian-army/7855610
 
qldfrog said:
Surprise, surprise: another Christian fanatic NOT:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/five-suspected-explosive-devices-found-near-new-jersey-station-20160919-grjs9u.html
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It's interesting how Malcolm is beaming messages into our lounge rooms, whilst he is in New York,to go about our daily business as usual, as some kind of act of valedictory defiance. The implied message is by ignoring the disease, the symptoms will go away.

Most of us only think about the problem after an event anyway so I'm not sure why Mal feels it is necessary to emphasise his cunning revamped cold war plan.
 
Islamic State supporter behind Minnesota stabbings: Amaq​

An Islamic State supporter carried out the stabbing attack that wounded at least eight people at a mall in the U.S. state of Minnesota on Saturday, the militant group's Amaq news agency said.

"The executor of the stabbing attacks in Minnesota yesterday was a soldier of the Islamic State and carried out the operation in response to calls to target the citizens of countries belonging to the crusader coalition," Amaq said in a statement.

Reuters was not immediately able to verify the authenticity of the claim.

A man wearing a private security uniform and armed with at least one knife stabbed eight people at the Crossroads Center mall before he was shot dead by an off-duty police officer, authorities said.
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A question: How do you guys define "evil"?

Is evil the act, and plan or intent to, kill people?

Is evil an organised, methodical, conscious sets of actions design to slaughter a whole bunch of people? Say, genocidal acts like the gas chambers, concentration camps, starvation through withholding or destroying food supplies.


I'm asking 'cause by the look of it, it seems "evil" is only what other people do. I mean, we seem to be on top of current events and all, yet somehow the death of some 5 million (give or take a mil) over the past 16 years... prfft... that's just good work by noble blood?
 
luutzu said:
I'm asking 'cause by the look of it, it seems "evil" is only what other people do. I mean, we seem to be on top of current events and all, yet somehow the death of some 5 million (give or take a mil) over the past 16 years... prfft... that's just good work by noble blood?
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Skullduggery all round, eg weapons of mass destruction not. I don't consider the West's involvement in the Middle East to be wrapped in roses, but the reality is that the "game" is democracy v dictatorship, even if some of the democrats aren't particularly nice people (eg Israel).

It's a global battle and if the West isn't in the ME, Russia will be (and they got their ares kicked in Afghanistan long before we did). It's a continuation of a Cold War which has never really ended since the West and USSR ganged up to throw Hitler out.

Now we have China sticking it's nose in, so tensions are going to be increased again in a different theatre, not to mention North Korea which could end up under a mushroom cloud if it goes too far.

You can blame as many people as you like and you will be right 50% of the time, but the ideological struggle will go on, whether we like it or not.
 
qldfrog said:
a direct result of the imperialistic bombing by the west of the ME: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-20/tsumani-of-young-girls-forced-to-marry-overseas-nsw-says/7860670
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I scanned thru the article... apparently the president of Muslims Australia says:

"I know we have had a campaign for a long time to educate people that one of the conditions for a marriage to be valid under Islamic teachings is consent," Mr Trad said.

"For anybody to force a young lady or a young man into a marriage against their will is wrong."
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So maybe it's not a Muslim thing... maybe there are backward Muslims.

I think you're a smart man Qldfrog... maybe a bit of a history refresher? Try YouTube or maybe Netflix.
 
SirRumpole said:
Skullduggery all round, eg weapons of mass destruction not. I don't consider the West's involvement in the Middle East to be wrapped in roses, but the reality is that the "game" is democracy v dictatorship, even if some of the democrats aren't particularly nice people (eg Israel).

It's a global battle and if the West isn't in the ME, Russia will be (and they got their ares kicked in Afghanistan long before we did). It's a continuation of a Cold War which has never really ended since the West and USSR ganged up to throw Hitler out.

Now we have China sticking it's nose in, so tensions are going to be increased again in a different theatre, not to mention North Korea which could end up under a mushroom cloud if it goes too far.

You can blame as many people as you like and you will be right 50% of the time, but the ideological struggle will go on, whether we like it or not.
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We have a democracy in the West?

Maybe we used to have it. It's getting more and more like the kind of democracy China and VN is running. You know, the higher powers up top decide who the plebs can vote for... and whoever is voted in will just tow the line.

There are some minor differences... like it's a lot harder for them to make peaceful critics disappear. That's very important for some people I know :D

I don't think any war was ever fought for ideologies. Maybe civil wars broke out over ethnic and ideological grounds, but once the revolution is over and the rebels win and form gov't - they will quickly go about cleaning up their own revolutionaries and establish themselves as the new masters. Power corrupts and what not.

War in the ME is not over ideologies of the democratic kind. Count the kind of states we're "allied" with - they're all theocratic kingdoms or dictatorships. The kind of set up you'd want if imperialism is your game.

Israel isn't really a democracy. It has elections and stuff, but so does Iran. Israel want to be known as the Jewish State. That right there rule it against being a democratic country. More of a theocratic one with God and wars constantly on its minds.


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China... you have to give it to them though. The commies just took over people's territories and massive amount of natural resources and strategic geographies - and they hardly kill anyone but a few coral reefs. I think maybe a total of 20 people have been killed since the 1970s when they first take the paracels from VN during the VN War.

It would be very hard for any gov't to convince its people to start a war with China over uninhabited distant islets. People just wouldn't be upset long enough over places they never set foot on to want to fight for.
 
qldfrog said:
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The next debate should be do we need ANY immigration at all...
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Technological change is taking away a lot of the jobs that migrants used to do. No more TCF with people sewing away , no more car industry with people putting nuts on bolts, greatly reduced demand for farm workers apart from seasonal pickers, so where are the jobs coming from ? They are going to China and India, so no need for migration except for niche skills that we don't produce or are too expensive here.
 
dutchie said:
Aborigines migrated here too.
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Apparently they left Africa 72k years ago according to a genome study:

It reveals that Papuan and Aboriginal ancestors left Africa around 72,000 years ago and then split from the main group around 58,000 years ago.

They reached the supercontinent of 'Sahul' that originally united Tasmania, Australia and New Guinea around 50,000 years ago, picking up the DNA of Neanderthals, Denisovans and another extinct hominin along the way.

Papuans and Aboriginals then split around 37,000 years ago, long before the continents were finally cut off from each other around 8,000 years ago.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...ich-history-of-aboriginal-australians/7858376
 

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