Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

Only certain nights have alcohol, other times it's more likely I'm running on three or four computers multitasking. I'm slightly more Scottish DNA pedigree than Oirish, but there isn't much left after that for the Viking remnants..... no wonder I feel so liberated as a superior being.

It is quite impressive to be doing what you're doing at your age on all four computers - what with one hand free and all

I would have thought two monitors are enough, why the different computers? Oh, audio.


I take it your convict ancestors came down under via the First Fleet from York? Half an hour flight from Ireland? Nice place York. I'm surprised it still stands given the meetings of Romans, Vikings, Scottish and other peaceniks there at one time or another.

 

[luutzu]

I remember the Pommy migrant men who, having isolated their wives from their English families, would turn into wife beaters. People back then didn't say a lot directly to the problem, but the drums beat the message out to the wider community and the coppers would be more than happy to give the hubby a few rounds in the cells when they inevitably got pinged. Sure they didn't change overnight, but the realisation there was always a tougher thug with a badge ready to pull them into line did modify the behaviours.

Were the cops mainly Irish here like they seem to be in the US? A legit excuse to beat up the poms I guess.

Yea, we tend to forget that other races and cultures also have their fair share of a hole wife beaters too.

 

[MrBurns]

Religions that follow the Quran and believe in Sharia law just aren't compatible with western society.

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

I've never Googled the subject before but it seems to be packed with contradictions where violence is ok, even encouraged so how does that sit with the peaceful Islam ?

No point arguing that everything is ok it clearly isn't and someone (Govt) has to eventually stand up and try to adjust it for Western society...banning burqas and hijabs would be a start, wearing head scarves is ok but I never want to see another woman (I think) dressed from head to toe in black including the entire head...gliding down the supermarket isle.

 

[Tisme]

It is quite impressive to be doing what you're doing at your age on all four computers - what with one hand free and all

I would have thought two monitors are enough, why the different computers? Oh, audio.


I take it your convict ancestors came down under via the First Fleet from York? Half an hour flight from Ireland? Nice place York. I'm surprised it still stands given the meetings of Romans, Vikings, Scottish and other peaceniks there at one time or another.

I actually run split screens too, with a couple of 40" TVs acting as monitors .... you know those BS movies like the latest Jason Bourne episode with lotsa screens etc ... that's me. So my brain is fried from doing computer stuff before Commodore 64 was born. Mate I was running PDP11's and writing code via cross assemblers before most people new what a keyboard was.... it's something that comes natural with real white supremacists (not them slavic americans who think they are palefaces)

Use the internet and comps for everything from telemetry systems interfacing, HMI access to automated facilities, taunting victims on the webs, autocad, Stan/Netflix/Bootleg vids, music, wan networking of my various premises, etc, etc.

Actually my ancestors in Oz were free settlers which kinda disappoints me and first colonists of SA etc, way before aborigines snuck in from Melanesia around early 1900's. I'm also disappointed not to have native blood in me too, although that didn't stop me photoshopping the dna results to shock my puritanical mum into thinking it has happened back somewhere in the 1840s for effect. I must let her know the truth before she carks it I suppose.

 

[Macquack]

I actually run split screens too, with a couple of 40" TVs acting as monitors .... you know those BS movies like the latest Jason Bourne episode with lotsa screens etc ... that's me. So my brain is fried from doing computer stuff before Commodore 64 was born. Mate I was running PDP11's and writing code via cross assemblers before most people new what a keyboard was.... it's something that comes natural with real white supremacists (not them slavic americans who think they are palefaces)

Use the internet and comps for everything from telemetry systems interfacing, HMI access to automated facilities, taunting victims on the webs, autocad, Stan/Netflix/Bootleg vids, music, wan networking of my various premises, etc, etc.

Actually my ancestors in Oz were free settlers which kinda disappoints me and first colonists of SA etc, way before aborigines snuck in from Melanesia around early 1900's. I'm also disappointed not to have native blood in me too, although that didn't stop me photoshopping the dna results to shock my puritanical mum into thinking it has happened back somewhere in the 1840s for effect. I must let her know the truth before she carks it I suppose.

Reinforces in my mind what I said earlier. Anyway, what ever drugs your on, can I have some?

I do like what you write, but I can't work it out without getting a headache.

 

[Tisme]

Reinforces in my mind what I said earlier. Anyway, what ever drugs your on, can I have some?

I do like what you write, but I can't work it out without getting a headache.

I'll make a point of writing slower

 

[Macquack]

Hard to make the point about hating oppressive practices forcing women to wear "bags" but making laws forcing them to not wear it.

Lighten up luutzu, your statement is just a clever use of irony and nothing else.

All that I question and all that I think is reasonable, and the French people (as a whole) think is fair and reasonable is to be able to see a fellow citizen's face. Is that too much to ask?

 

[luutzu]

Lighten up luutzu, your statement is just a clever use of irony and nothing else.

All that I question and all that I think is reasonable, and the French people (as a whole) think is fair and reasonable is to be able to see a fellow citizen's face. Is that too much to ask?

I was

I just don't like the kind of policies where, on the surface and at the sales pitch, are always for the noblest of ideals. But the truth behind it are anything but.

That is not to say the ideal is wrong, or that the objective is bad; definitely not saying that those who believe it have other motives - we don't because we actually believe in those ideals. But it's the politician who's selling it that pizzes me off.

Like all these war on terror to keep us safe; or to liberate other people and help them build their democracy; or helping the poor by cutting their welfare so they'd be motivated and don't cheat the system.

We all want that, and all that would be good... just those aren't the real reasons for why it's implemented. It's often the opposite of why it's implemented.

Man I could rant. Can't wait for old age to set in.

 

[luutzu]

Reinforces in my mind what I said earlier. Anyway, what ever drugs your on, can I have some?

I do like what you write, but I can't work it out without getting a headache.

He's quite good at double-speak. Like a Rorschach image that really doesn't mean anything by design except for what we project onto it.

 

[Macquack]

I just don't like the kind of policies where, on the surface and at the sales pitch, are always for the noblest of ideals. But the truth behind it are anything but.

Like all these war on terror to keep us safe

"Pre-emptive strikes'' as paraded and sanctioned by John Howard comes to mind.

How ****ing pathetic, ''lets get them before they get us''. Saddam Hussein was NO THREAT TO MANKIND. Now, that stupid philosophy has created all kinds of grief for the world. George W Bogan has a lot to answer for.

 

[luutzu]

I actually run split screens too, with a couple of 40" TVs acting as monitors .... you know those BS movies like the latest Jason Bourne episode with lotsa screens etc ... that's me. So my brain is fried from doing computer stuff before Commodore 64 was born. Mate I was running PDP11's and writing code via cross assemblers before most people new what a keyboard was.... it's something that comes natural with real white supremacists (not them slavic americans who think they are palefaces)

Use the internet and comps for everything from telemetry systems interfacing, HMI access to automated facilities, taunting victims on the webs, autocad, Stan/Netflix/Bootleg vids, music, wan networking of my various premises, etc, etc.

Actually my ancestors in Oz were free settlers which kinda disappoints me and first colonists of SA etc, way before aborigines snuck in from Melanesia around early 1900's. I'm also disappointed not to have native blood in me too, although that didn't stop me photoshopping the dna results to shock my puritanical mum into thinking it has happened back somewhere in the 1840s for effect. I must let her know the truth before she carks it I suppose.

You could really pack a lot of info into one post couldn't you?

Good to hear you're not putting all that high-tech into chasing Pokémon. Imagine engineers like yourself programming missions to the moon on a computer nowhere as capable as today's iPhone, and most of us idiots are using it for Facebook and chasing imaginary creatures. Well I don't use mine to cure cancer or anything but yea... Well done Gregor McGee.

Got to admire programmers cracking code before Visual Studio and the internet. Serious. My brother gave me a C# for beginners a year or two before the internet contain more useful stuff than just pr0n, and na... forget it. Who in their right mind read half a yellopages directory just to start writing "hello world" and randomise numbers on a monitor?

Now any idiot could write an app, and some does (ahem)... but man, it's quite amazing the progress that's been made just in the past decade. Just realised YouTube have these 360 videos where you could hold the tablet, moves it around and the video turns with you. We don't really need that, but it's cool though.

Quite the prankster yea. Must be the Irish side from the few Irish I do know. Might end up having one in the family tree.. the folks aren't too thrilled about the prospect of having little red-headed White Devils running around their house one day. Na, they're not that bad. And you guys thought only White people are patriotic.

 

[Wysiwyg]

"Pre-emptive strikes'' as paraded and sanctioned by John Howard comes to mind.

How ****ing pathetic, ''lets get them before they get us''. Saddam Hussein was NO THREAT TO MANKIND. Now, that stupid philosophy has created all kinds of grief for the world. George W Bogan has a lot to answer for.

Ill Kim Jong has got weapons of mass destruction and is a threat but there will be no pre-emptive strike. Sometimes the American leaders should consider pulling their gung ho heads in. Now there is Trump.

 

[luutzu]

"Pre-emptive strikes'' as paraded and sanctioned by John Howard comes to mind.

How ****ing pathetic, ''lets get them before they get us''. Saddam Hussein was NO THREAT TO MANKIND. Now, that stupid philosophy has created all kinds of grief for the world. George W Bogan has a lot to answer for.

Yea that was really farked. I was too young and too occupied with trying to pick up chicks to follow it then but watching and listening to the lectures on it, wow man - our politicians and the "free press" really got together and screw up the world on that one.

I mean, pre-emptive strike is illegal and they're boasting it like it's the most obvious choice. The press and embedded "journalist" all took us for a ride.

In one of Chomsky's lecture, he reminds us how much power us plebs in the West does have, and how many lives were saved when the public really get together.

He was comparing the anti-war movement during the Vietnam War and the Iraq 2 invasion... Where the VN anti-war movement didn't seriously get under way, mainly because the public didn't know much about what was happening, until about the mid 1960s - some 7 to 10 years before JFK kicked off the crusade.

Compare that to the global anti-war movement jumping on it before the actual invasion. That public outrage, Chomsky said, saved the Iraqis from what weapons was "suitable" on the tables of our paramount leaders.

When the public weren't paying attention, Agent Orange, napalm, chemical sprays to defoliate the jungles, removal of millions of farmers into concentration camps, the carpet bombing raids etc. etc.

Some four million people were wiped off the earth; a US state department planner was thinking outloud whether VN as a cultural and national identity would survive or extinct seeing how there's more tonnage dropped on SVN than all the tonnage from WW2 - one crater for every family.

With Iraq, our peaceniks can't use chemical weapons; can't openly slaughter Iraqis... their cities and towns and infrastructures are still flattened with certain "acceptable" White Phospherous and stuff.

But yea, lucky for those poor plebs the Western plebs had their moral code and restrain our warmongers a bit.

I guess that's why there's this talk of Islam and Muslim being evil - to take some edge and some scrutiny off of us idiots who can't see the "big picture".

 

[bellenuit]

This should be mandatory reading (and viewing) for those who still are apologetic or ambivalent about ISIS and suggest that they are just a reaction to Western imperialism and hold views anathmetic to Islam .

Listen to all of it, but especially from the 5 minute mark. Their primary reasons are religious, religious, religious and religious. Western imperialism is listed as a secondary consideration and even if it didn't happen or stopped happening (depending on your view), it wouldn't make a difference to them. They still intend to kill you until you adopt Islam.

It is hatred of the West and non-muslims based entirely on religious dogma. An avowed hatred of gays, atheists, Christianity (one reason being the belief that God had a son) and everything we hold dear in our liberal Western societies.

Here is ISIS telling you directly why they hate you and want to kill you. Yet there are some (many unfortunately, including the Pope) who simply ignore what they are being told and think they know better. It's the "we know better than you do why you are doing it, no matter what you tell us" argument that is not just stupid but dangerous.

ISIS Explains Why It Fights: It's The Religion, Stupid!

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/isis-explains-why-it-fights-its-religion-stupid/

 

[luutzu]

This should be mandatory reading (and viewing) for those who still are apologetic or ambivalent about ISIS and suggest that they are just a reaction to Western imperialism and hold views anathmetic to Islam .

Listen to all of it, but especially from the 5 minute mark. Their primary reasons are religious, religious, religious and religious. Western imperialism is listed as a secondary consideration and even if it didn't happen or stopped happening (depending on your view), it wouldn't make a difference to them. They still intend to kill you until you adopt Islam.

It is hatred of the West and non-muslims based entirely on religious dogma. An avowed hatred of gays, atheists, Christianity (one reason being the belief that God had a son) and everything we hold dear in our liberal Western societies.

Here is ISIS telling you directly why they hate you and want to kill you. Yet there are some (many unfortunately, including the Pope) who simply ignore what they are being told and think they know better. It's the "we know better than you do why you are doing it, no matter what you tell us" argument that is not just stupid but dangerous.

ISIS Explains Why It Fights: It's The Religion, Stupid!

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/isis-explains-why-it-fights-its-religion-stupid/

What other religious groups do we know in the ME that's been thumbing through its religious text to legitimise its claim to other people's land and has been working very hard at it for some seven decades now.

And what other subset of some other religion we're more familiar with that's egging them on because their good book tell them their savior will only return once those other nuts cleanse the chosen land off infidels. Cleanse it so that the Lord savior returns and further cleanse the entire Earth, again!

And what other non-religious nuts' ideas was it to invade and colonise at costs to their own blood and some $7 to $17 trillion dollars for things that they could spend maybe half on and have it delivered peacefully to their shores?

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And people who try to discuss this issue rationally aren't "excusing" or "apologising" for terrorism. It's those useful idiots who buy into one evil enemy of state after another that are excusing endless wars of aggression and at the same time excusing the shameful neglect and abandonment of victims of those wars and the terrorist it creates.

Get off your high horse.

 

[noco]

This letter from a pilot is exactly what Pauline Hanson has been preaching for 20 years.

I hope Malcolm Turnbull, Bill Shorten and Richard Di Natalie read and absorb the contents of this letter and take some action here in Australia before it is too late.

Pilot's response to a Muslim doctor's complaint! Very well said and worth reading!
This is, unfortunately true for most of us.

Read to the bottom, there also are a Canadian, British and Australian responses.

To me it makes a lot of sense, and would make for a better understanding between the different faiths.

Please share with your Muslim friends!

No name calling, no hatred, no political agenda.

CANADIAN COMMENT APPEARS AT THE END OF THE
ARTICLE AND IS MEANINGFUL.
THERE IS ALSO SOME RECENTLY ADDED BRITISH COMMENT.

This pilot hit the nail right on the head in his open letter.

A newspaper stated that some Muslim doctor is saying we are profiling him because he has been checked three times while getting on an airplane. The following is a letter from a pilot. This well - spoken man, who is a pilot with American Airlines, says what is in his heart, beautifully.


YOU WORRY ME!
By Captain John Maniscalco, American Airlines Pilot

I've been trying to say this since 911, but you worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me.

I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now.
I don't fully understand their grievances and hate, but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

On September 11, ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others, hacking their necks, over and over, with box cutters. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings, killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers.

The Palestinians celebrated, the Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the Arab world. So, I notice you now. I don't want to be worried.
I don't want to be consumed by the same rage, hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist.

How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim Americans and the Arab/Muslim terrorists in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter MORE of the same good neighbors and children?

The events of September 11 changed the answer.. It is not MY responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me.

I want to know, I DEMAND to know and I have a right to know, whether or not you love America ..... Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation; that He will protect it and let it prosper? Or do you pray that Allah will destroy it in one of your Jihads? Are you thankful for the freedom that this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots, who have through our history, given their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by also paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America?? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions YOU are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent, because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks, because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy; I am interested only in action. What will you do for America - our great country - at this time of continuing crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting 'Allah Bless America'. I want to see young Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to our returning wounded and to this nation as a whole.

The FBI has had a long list of people they’ve wanted to interact with regarding the threats that they believe to be ongoing. Many of these people live and socialize right now in Muslim communities. You know them. You know where they are. Give the FBI a heads up as to where they may be. Better yet, hand them over to us, NOW! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.

The very few Arab/Muslim representatives, like CARE, that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States apologize and take responsibility for actions defending our own people. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing 'leaders' like the late Khadafi, the late Hussein, Farrakhan, and the late Arafat.

If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people, then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is itif the teachings in the Koran are good, pure, and true, when your 'leaders' ARE teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance? It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if huge numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world.

A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us -- our rights under the greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where every Arab Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to DEMAND it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family.

I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American...... But there can be no grey areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance, and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand. Until then, "YOU WORRY ME!"

CANADIAN COMMENTS:

I totally agree with this sentiment. I hope you will forget all about the 'political correctness' mandate we've had rammed down our throats by so many on the left, and see if this doesn't ring true in your heart and mind. For Canada, with all the multiculturalism we've been told is so important....why should we not, as Canadians, expect that the millions of new people immigrating to our country will show their love for our country, their allegiance to our country, their willingness to obey the laws of our country, and acceptance that we are a Christian country? Just because they are able to enjoy exercising their own religion, they should NOT expect us to be ashamed of ours. They knew Canada was a Christian country when they came here. Why are we erasing Christianity because immigrants who are unwilling to adopt our way of life expect us to? There is just too much insanity in the world, and we have to start taking a stand.

I hope you will forward this, so that others will feel they are not alone if they are starting to feel the same.

BRITISH COMMENTS: At last a clear non-racist example of the concerns that the vast majority of our Nations population probably share. The pilot's letter encapsulates all that is fair and just about national pride and protection of one's national culture. I fear it may be too late here in UK, BUT we too want our country back in the form that attracted all these different cultures to come here in the first place!! In all our conversations with a wide range of friends and acquaintances we have not met one that disagrees with our own views.

If only we all had the courage of our convictions to pass this on, it is a statement that should be accepted as the heart-felt feelings of someone with honest commendable national pride.

Not all Muslims are terrorists but almost all terrorists to date have been Muslims. Stand up and be counted!

Australian Comment: Best email I have had in years it needs to be in every paper every day until we get some answers. We need all be very concerned, note the pattern in Australia is the same for the other countries above. Where are the believers of Islam in our beloved country standing up and being counted in all these issues?

I have not seen one!

Let us take a stand before it is too late. We cannot and must not delay this any longer. Soon it will be too late and we will start to suffer like the rest of the world.

THIS IS TOO GOOD TO JUST READ AND DELETE! LET'S SATURATE NEW ZEALAND, AUSTRALIA, UK, EUROPE, USA, CANADA AND THE REST OF THE FREE WORLD WITH THIS ONE! SEND IT!
I say, “If you are not with us then stay in Your birth country!”

 

[Wysiwyg]

We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us -- our rights under the greatest constitution in the world.

It may have been the best in the world in the early (Americas) conquering days but needs a severe upgrade to present day on what has been learned.

 

[SirRumpole]

Guy goes in an adult store and asks for an inflatable doll.



Guy behind the counter says, 'Male or female?'



Customer says , 'Female.'



Counter guy asks , 'Black or white?



Customer says , 'White.'



Counter guy asks , 'Christian or Muslim?'



Customer says , 'Hell, what does religion have to do with it?'



Counter guy says , 'The Muslim one blows itself up.'

 

[luutzu]

It may have been the best in the world in the early (Americas) conquering days but needs a severe upgrade to present day on what has been learned.

By the ten or eleven wars it's currently involve in in the ME/Eastern Europe (ignoring the other three continents it hasn't officially declared yet), it's fair to say the US's conquering days aren't over.

 

[qldfrog]

another nice joke:
a guy attacks with a knife a "randomly selected american and israeli/australian group in the middle of London;
Punch line:
It is just a mental issue
Good one isn't it
Sleep Sleep Sleep well