Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[bunyip]

In the first place, how do you know how many of those refugees were Muslims ? Secondly I do give credit to the LNP for stopping the boats, but there are also regular migration programs (family reunion etc) that let in people from Muslim countries. I'd like to see some evidence that the Coalition is cracking down on those too.

As for Labor, there are certainly some wets there that need to be dried out, however I don't think that they will completely ignore the lessons from the Coalition's successful anti people smuggler policies. We'll have to wait and see on that as to whether the wets or dries prevail in the Labor party.

The bulk of the 50 thousand boat people who came in under Rudd/Gillard were from Islamic countries - dispute it if you want, but on that point I'm not even going to argue with you.

As for Labor learning anything from the LNP’s success in stopping the boats....hearing Shorten interviewed on this issue gives me far less confidence than you have that Labor would have enough sense to continue with the LNP’s strategy.

 

[bunyip]

and finally give them a book on how to ride camels, set up tents in the deserts and how to buy and treat slaves.

They don’t need a book on that sort of stuff......they’re already expert in those skills.

 

[Tisme]

They don’t need a book on that sort of stuff......they’re already expert in those skills.

You think? My travels in the middle east indicate an indolent society who have too much time sitting around looking for mischief.

I would hazard a guess the mainstream Arab is more tuned into drifting in a Toyota than riding or even having seen a camel. The majority of Muslim types I have witnessed who have a work ethic are Pakistanis and the Asians who must work because they are trapped in third world conditions in large part because they practice Islam and it's incipient social poverty, without the riches garnered by selling oil to westerners and western inspired industrial nations. And only Arabs are true Muslims as proclaimed in the book.

 

[SirRumpole]

The bulk of the 50 thousand boat people who came in under Rudd/Gillard were from Islamic countries -

That doesn't mean they were all Muslim extremists. If you lived in a country like Afghanistan ruled by the Taliban or their lackeys, wouldn't you want to get out ?

 

[Tisme]

That doesn't mean they were all Muslim extremists. If you lived in a country like Afghanistan ruled by the Taliban or their lackeys, wouldn't you want to get out ?

Yes let's not forget what Pakistan once was before bloody minded men destroyed it back to the Muslim stone age:



https://www.google.com.au/#q=afghanistan+1960s+pictures

 

[Bintang]

Islamic Holy Man Rapes and Murders Child in Mosque

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/opinion/26-Jan-2015/fearless-confession-of-a-child-killer

Of course we have heard sufficient from our political elite to know that this has nothing to do with Islam because Islam is a peaceful religion.

From where then did this monster get his inspiration? Catholicism?

 

[bunyip]

That doesn't mean they were all Muslim extremists. If you lived in a country like Afghanistan ruled by the Taliban or their lackeys, wouldn't you want to get out ?

I didn’t say they were all Muslim extremists.

Sure I’d want to get out if I lived in one of those countries. And if I found a free country like Australia that was decent enough to take me in, I’d show my appreciation by doing everything in my power to fit in by accepting the people, their values and beliefs, their lifestyle, their religion, their laws and their food, their language, their customs - everything. I’d be willing to change to their ways – I wouldn't expect them to change to mine.

It almost beggars belief that after we’ve been decent enough to take these people into our country and look after them by providing housing, schooling, money for food and other basics, healthcare, language classes, jobs training, all completely free of charge, the ungrateful bastards then turn on us and treat us with contempt!

 

[Tisme]

It almost beggars belief that after we’ve been decent enough to take these people into our country and look after them by providing housing, schooling, money for food and other basics, healthcare, language classes, jobs training, all completely free of charge, the ungrateful bastards then turn on us and treat us with contempt!

Operation Trojan Horse.

As soon as they open their anti Australian/Sovereign mouths they should be charged with sedition and deported back whence they came, even while awaiting a trial some doo gooder will lodge. They can pay for their airfare too imo.

 

[SirRumpole]

I didn’t say they were all Muslim extremists.

Sure I’d want to get out if I lived in one of those countries. And if I found a free country like Australia that was decent enough to take me in, I’d show my appreciation by doing everything in my power to fit in by accepting the people, their values and beliefs, their lifestyle, their religion, their laws and their food, their language, their customs - everything. I’d be willing to change to their ways – I wouldn't expect them to change to mine.

It almost beggars belief that after we’ve been decent enough to take these people into our country and look after them by providing housing, schooling, money for food and other basics, healthcare, language classes, jobs training, all completely free of charge, the ungrateful bastards then turn on us and treat us with contempt!

How people get away with such mass generalisation is beyond me.

You don't think "they" are "all" Muslim extremists, yet you classify them all in one pile by " we’ve been decent enough to take these people into our country and look after them by providing housing, schooling, money for food"

So lets have an estimate of how many of the 50,000 refugees we've taken in are Muslim extremists in your opinion ?

Yes, I support putting people smugglers out of business, but let's not tar all of the 50,000 as evil Islamists.

I'm sure a lot of them would work hard and make a contribution if they weren't locked up in concentration camps.

 

[Bintang]

I'm sure a lot of them would work hard and make a contribution if they weren't locked up in concentration camps.

Yes, I'm sure too, as explained in this video from Today Tonight.

 

[dutchie]

It almost beggars belief that after we’ve been decent enough to take these people into our country and look after them by providing housing, schooling, money for food and other basics, healthcare, language classes, jobs training, all completely free of charge, the ungrateful bastards then turn on us and treat us with contempt!

It's got nothing to do with Islam they are just following the Koran.

 

[Bintang]

It's got nothing to do with Islam they are just following the Koran.

The Swedish know a thing or two about this:

 

[Bintang]

Islamic Sharia Law Comes to Great Britain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-...r_detailpage&x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=IICjsnAQVRc

All this is going on under the nose of the British Royal Family. Why aren’t they doing something about it? Perhaps we should ask Sir-Prince-do-you-still-throw-spears-at-each-other-Philip:

Interviewer: Sir Philip, What do you think about Islamic Sharia Law being practiced in Great Britain?
Sir Prince Philip: What do you mean? That’s just for muslims.
Interviewer: Yes Sir Philip but that’s the point there are so many muslims in our country and they are practicing Sharia Law.
Sir Prince Philip: Ha ….. I don’t think so. Those people all ride camels. Haven’t seen many camels around London lately. Have you?

Meanwhile we have nothing to worry about in Australia.

Muslim Sharia Law In Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-...r_detailpage&x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=iN7eQyrDt-U

 

[bellenuit]

Of course this is all due to the Israel-Palestinian conflict and aggression from the West according to the apologists.

ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi Orders Female Genital Mutilation of Two Million Girls

http://www.aina.org/news/20150126163521.htm

 

[bunyip]

How people get away with such mass generalisation is beyond me.

You don't think "they" are "all" Muslim extremists, yet you classify them all in one pile by " we’ve been decent enough to take these people into our country and look after them by providing housing, schooling, money for food"

So lets have an estimate of how many of the 50,000 refugees we've taken in are Muslim extremists in your opinion ?

Yes, I support putting people smugglers out of business, but let's not tar all of the 50,000 as evil Islamists.

I'm sure a lot of them would work hard and make a contribution if they weren't locked up in concentration camps.

You’re pretty good at generalizations yourself, as your post No. 3043 shows in the thread titled ‘Asylum Immigrants – Green Light’.
That post is quoted below.
In another post you said ‘All immigration from Islamic countries must stop’. (or words to that effect)

Now all of a sudden you seem to have changed sides by going in to bat for Muslims.
Anyway, here’s your post that I’m referring to....the one that’s full of generalizations.

In small numbers you are correct, but experience has shown that when their population reaches a certain point, Muslims try and take over our laws by gradual insistence that Sharia law be introduced alongside secular laws.

Sharia law imposes penalties for "apostacy", ie renouncing ones religion. This is obviously in conflict with our stance of freedom of religion (and consequently freedom to have no religion) that a secular society enjoys. These sort of influences can only be successfully opposed by ensuring that the Muslim population remains below a critical mass whereby they cannot impose their beliefs on the wider society.

Muslims capacity to integrate cannot be compared to those of other ethnic groups because Muslims believe that their law should override other laws. It says so in the Koran. Their beliefs are fundamentally incompatible with a secular society, and any increase in their influence by way of an increasing Muslim population must be resisted.

If Muslims want to flee as refugees, there are plenty of Muslim countries around that they can go to. Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia etc who I'm sure will welcome their brothers with open arms. Not here thanks.

As for your challenge to provide an estimate of how many Muslim extremists are among the 50 thousand we’ve taken in.....I’m not dancing to your tune - make your own estimate if you want one.

Please yourself whether you reply to this post, but I won’t be reading it if you do. You’re not worthy of my time, so I won’t be giving you any more of it - I’ve put you on ‘ignore’ from now on.

 

[SirRumpole]

You’re pretty good at generalizations yourself, as your post No. 3043 shows in the thread titled ‘Asylum Immigrants – Green Light’.
That post is quoted below.
In another post you said ‘All immigration from Islamic countries must stop’. (or words to that effect)

Now all of a sudden you seem to have changed sides by going in to bat for Muslims.
Anyway, here’s your post that I’m referring to....the one that’s full of generalizations.

In small numbers you are correct, but experience has shown that when their population reaches a certain point, Muslims try and take over our laws by gradual insistence that Sharia law be introduced alongside secular laws.

Sharia law imposes penalties for "apostacy", ie renouncing ones religion. This is obviously in conflict with our stance of freedom of religion (and consequently freedom to have no religion) that a secular society enjoys. These sort of influences can only be successfully opposed by ensuring that the Muslim population remains below a critical mass whereby they cannot impose their beliefs on the wider society.

Muslims capacity to integrate cannot be compared to those of other ethnic groups because Muslims believe that their law should override other laws. It says so in the Koran. Their beliefs are fundamentally incompatible with a secular society, and any increase in their influence by way of an increasing Muslim population must be resisted.

If Muslims want to flee as refugees, there are plenty of Muslim countries around that they can go to. Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia etc who I'm sure will welcome their brothers with open arms. Not here thanks.

As for your challenge to provide an estimate of how many Muslim extremists are among the 50 thousand we’ve taken in.....I’m not dancing to your tune - make your own estimate if you want one.

Please yourself whether you reply to this post, but I won’t be reading it if you do. You’re not worthy of my time, so I won’t be giving you any more of it - I’ve put you on ‘ignore’ from now on.

Oh good, glad to hear you are not listening, I'll sleep better tonight.

 

[Bintang]

Just because people have a variety of opinions and disagree with you DOES NOT mean that they want to silence you, they are just utilising THEIR right to oppose what you have said.

You see this countless times on forums. People get really narked when others disagree and they cry censorship.

It's really disappointing, because in other respects you make some good points.

What a jerk.

This is not one of your most eloquent posts Rumpole.
I hope you are not getting narked.
It's really disappointing, because in other respects you make some good points.

PS: Sorry for leaving out the Sir in front of Rumpole. This is reserved for Sir-Prince-do-you-still throw-spears-at-each-other-Philips

 

[SirRumpole]

This is not one of your most eloquent posts Rumpole.
I hope you are not getting narked.
It's really disappointing, because in other respects you make some good points.

PS: Sorry for leaving out the Sir in front of Rumpole. This is reserved for Sir-Prince-do-you-still throw-spears-at-each-other-Philips

Retracted. But still a silly comment that fails to discriminate between the Islamic ideology (which I think is poisonous), and individual Muslims, (or individual refugees who may or may not be Muslims) who, like most groups of people contain good and bad.

Ah well, can't please everyone I suppose.

 

[Bintang]

Retracted. But still a silly comment that fails to discriminate between the Islamic ideology (which I think is poisonous), and individual Muslims, (or individual refugees who may or may not be Muslims) who, like most groups of people contain good and bad.
Ah well, can't please everyone I suppose.

One way of discriminating would be to only accept non-muslim refugees from the Middle East such as Christians and Yazidis. You don't have to like their religions either but they are less likely to be poisonous. Alternatively we could heed this warning:

"In the world of snakes and vipers, the average person can’t distinguish between the poisonous snake and the non-poisonous snake; the average person has no choice but to avoid all kind of snakes. Since the world did not invent a tool to be able to detect who is the “devout” Muslim and who is the “nominal” Muslim or a device to detect who is telling the truth and who is practising “taqqiyah تقية” (telling lies to the unbelievers in order to advance the cause of Islam), so it is wise to take your precautions against ALL Muslims and not accept them as immigrants or asylum seekers. They leave us no choice but to avoid them all."

 

[luutzu]

One way of discriminating would be to only accept non-muslim refugees from the Middle East such as Christians and Yazidis. You don't have to like their religions either but they are less likely to be poisonous. Alternatively we could heed this warning:

"In the world of snakes and vipers, the average person can’t distinguish between the poisonous snake and the non-poisonous snake; the average person has no choice but to avoid all kind of snakes. Since the world did not invent a tool to be able to detect who is the “devout” Muslim and who is the “nominal” Muslim or a device to detect who is telling the truth and who is practising “taqqiyah تقية” (telling lies to the unbelievers in order to advance the cause of Islam), so it is wise to take your precautions against ALL Muslims and not accept them as immigrants or asylum seekers. They leave us no choice but to avoid them all."

So how do you think we ought to judge non-Muslims we meet to be sure whether they're poisonous or not.
Or are non-Muslims just good people and we don't need to worry about it?

How about White Muslims? Or non-Arab Muslims? Can we assume that if a person whose race and nationality is not Muslim/Islamic but who chose to convert to Islam... we just assume they're up to no good?


I saw that movie Zero Dark Thirty - about the hunt for bin Laden.... I think it showed a high ranking Pentagon officer being White, American, have high security clearance, and also a convert of Islam. Man, they're everywhere... it's like one in four people in the world is a Muslim or something.