Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[Bintang]

Churchill saw it coming.

Sharia for Belgium - Welcome to Belgistan

 

[luutzu]

luutzu, the instant I read Rumpole's post I knew that you would respond with this ridiculous article.

As one commentator has said: "I nominate this for stupidest, most deceptive article of 2015 so far"

And that is the sum total of what needs to be said.

I saw that Churchill quote before on this forum - from Julie.

Like I said then, there is a lot to admire about Churchill. He's a great leader and a fine scholar/historian... but he's not flawless.

And like most or all of us, when it comes to our own country and people - it's not easy to be objective.

I mean, Europe was in the dark ages while Arabs, under Muhammad's Muslims was the light of the world.
The Arabs were literally mapping the stars and developing the scientific methods and sciences while Christendom was praying to the bones of their saints and lashing themselves to purge away their sins.

So to see that, as Churchill must have since he's a fine scholar and student of history... and say that Islam is backwards and subjugate its followers... come on man.

Then seeing how the British Empire spreading all over the world; seeing Christendom converting or converted most of the known world... can a person be objective and say Islam is nasty because it always tries to convert and proselytize and subjugate people?


There is a lot to admire about Western civilisation, the West has and is making huge contributions to mankind... But to act as though the West is benign and all righteous while other religion and civilisations are backwards and harmful... that's a bit much.

"Empires wax and wane; States coalesces and fall asunder." - Romance of the Three Kingdoms

 

[Bintang]

I guess you guys didn't bother to watch that documentary on Islam.

You guessed wrong luutzu.
Not only did I watch this video but I have watched and read many other sources of information. Not surprisingly they exhibit differences. A useful way to make sense of the differences is to apply a technique called 'critical thinking'.

It’s a beautifully produced documentary and if one watched it with eyes open but brain asleep I can see how it could bring misty tears to ones eyes.
However, it is significant for what it omits rather than what it embraces.

The video is made by the American PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) an organization that has received much criticism for its left-leaning political and ideological bias. Approximately 60% of its funding comes from private donations. Could it be that sometimes the donations are made with strings attached? Oh, surely no. That would be shocking.

 

[luutzu]

Sharia for Belgium - Welcome to Belgistan

مرحبا، مرحبا بكم في بلجيكا
[use google translator: https://translate.google.com.au/



Funny story, I remember reading that Churchill in fact carved out and created Belgium from France [?] so that no powerful state, like France, could be too close to Britain. He figured that a weak like, like Belgium, being close mean it needs British protection and come under its influence/alliance when another Napoleon or Hitler or Stalin come along.

We now see the domino falling.

 

[luutzu]

You guessed wrong luutzu.
Not only did I watch this video but I have watched and read many other sources of information. Not surprisingly they exhibit differences. A useful way to make sense of the differences is to apply a technique called 'critical thinking'.

It’s a beautifully produced documentary and if one watched it with eyes open but brain asleep I can see how it could bring misty tears to ones eyes.
However, it is significant for what it omits rather than what it embraces.

The video is made by the American PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) an organization that has received much criticism for its left-leaning political and ideological bias. Approximately 60% of its funding comes from private donations. Could it be that sometimes the donations are made with strings attached? Oh, surely no. That would be shocking.

I don't know man, Ben Kingsley said so, must be so - that and a handful of historians and scholars.

Don't know... I'd take their words over some disgruntled former "followers" for objectivity any day.

 

[Bintang]

We now see the domino falling.

The dominoes are falling all over Europe - not just Belgium:

Austrian Member of Parliament Goes Ballistic on Muslim Hypocrisy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534&v=E5eP2BDfL-s

Swiss Member of Parliament Has Had Enough!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534&v=pCW2hxux3Ro

 

[Bintang]

I don't know man, Ben Kingsley said so, must be so - that and a handful of historians and scholars.

I did not say that what Ben Kingsley said is not so.
But everything he didn't say is so also.

The question that needs to be asked is, Why is it so?

 

[luutzu]

The dominoes are falling all over Europe - not just Belgium:

Austrian Member of Parliament Goes Ballistic on Muslim Hypocrisy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534&v=E5eP2BDfL-s

Swiss Member of Parliament Has Had Enough!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534&v=pCW2hxux3Ro

Beside Muslims, refugees and migrants... the problems in Europe could be due to enforced, non-Keynesian successful-then-but-not-useful-now "austerity measures" required by those.. .German! and French! Brought on by rampant financial speculations that lost some trillions of dollars by... mostly English and Americans bankers!

But you know, Muslims, refugees and migrants really really did it.

Anyway... as a young Ozzyman on YouTube once said, hating 1.6 billion people is "...too f'en much". OK OK, you don't hate them Muslims, just the "religion" that enslaves them and teach them hatred. Still a bit much though.

 

[luutzu]

I did not say that what Ben Kingsley said is not so.
But everything he didn't say is so also.

There is a lot of ugliness in every religion, race, people... the world is not going to improve on that by any of us or any of them thinking an entire group is all this or that, then casually listing that three solutions you read somewhere... and forget about the final solution some clown with a short moustache ordered not so long ago in Europe - on an entire people!

 

[luutzu]

I did not say that what Ben Kingsley said is not so.
But everything he didn't say is so also.

The question that needs to be asked is, Why is it so?

Yes, ask that. Why is it that they hate us so?

Hate our democratic values? Hate us educating our women and daughters? Seriously?

Who in their right mind would want a dictator ruling over them? Who would want to see a bunch of self-appointed Kings and Generals commanding over them with impunity?

Man, we here already do not like them and their kind when none of their masked soldiers and utes are here (maybe a few recent recruits)... and we hate their guts, we call them all sort of names.... Yet we think they ought to like us when our planes and drones are over their skies, our boots and snipers and tanks and humvees are all over their oil.


By all mean ask, but as Jack Nicholson said to Tom Cruise - "you can't handle the truth!" [that sounds better that way than "can you handle the truth? can you, huh?"]

 

[Bintang]

Man, we here already do not like them and their kind when none of their masked soldiers and utes are here (maybe a few recent recruits)... and we hate their guts, we call them all sort of names....

Who is 'we' .

I am not part of your 'we'.

 

[Bintang]

Man, we here already do not like them and their kind when none of their masked soldiers and utes are here (maybe a few recent recruits)... and we hate their guts, we call them all sort of names....

Who is 'we' .

I am not part of your 'we'.

I acknowledge though that some Australians have it in them to be really intolerant and nasty towards muslims as the following video of a protest in Australia clearly demonstrates. Far be it from me to say such hateful things:

Muslims chanting: Burn in Hell, Burn in Hell
Atheists chanting: Where are the women, Where are the women
Muslims chanting: Repent to Allah, Repent to Allah
Atheists singing: Always look on the bright side of life, de de de de
Atheist fleeing the scene: I’m glad I live in Australia and not in your country

 

[luutzu]

I acknowledge though that some Australians have it in them to be really intolerant and nasty towards muslims as the following video of a protest in Australia clearly demonstrates. Far be it from me to say such hateful things:

Muslims chanting: Burn in Hell, Burn in Hell
Atheists chanting: Where are the women, Where are the women
Muslims chanting: Repent to Allah, Repent to Allah
Atheists singing: Always look on the bright side of life, de de de de
Atheist fleeing the scene: I’m glad I live in Australia and not in your country

I don't doubt that of you.

I don't think seemingly intolerant people or anti-Muslims as bad either. Not trying to be smart, I mean that.


If a person believe that the other is bad, is cruel, is not respectful of women and people's rights; believe that the other is here to harm their country and steal from them; if a person believe the other is taught to hate and kill innocents... It's not bad to then hate and find that wrong and be against them and their beliefs and practices.

OK, so maybe telling them to go be with Satan or do physical harm based on those beliefs is the wrong way about it, but the reasons behind those acts, with most people I think, is fair.

Just not all beliefs are true.

 

[Bintang]

I don't doubt that of you.

Just not all beliefs are true.

Actually, I thought the muslim-atheist protest video was quite funny. Maybe Australia will be able to stem the tide of Islamization with its good old 'taking the mickey' sense of humour; just so long as they don't do it in the form of cartoons.

As for whether Islamic beliefs are true I found this video especially interesting:

Female Egyptian TV host kicks female guest out of studio for questioning Islamic beliefs



I think that poor female guest is just suffering from having too much logic!

 

[bunyip]

I really thought that after years of oppression under Suddam Hussein, Iraq would embrace democracy with open arms once Hussein was gone. In those days I didn’t understand that Islam is a dictatorship that shuns democracy. Even the peaceful Muslims here in Australia are practicing a dictatorship to some extent. Forcing their women to cover up and to be subservient to men – that’s just part and parcel of the dictatorship of Islam.
No Islamic country in the world is a true democracy, not even Indonesia although it’s closer to democracy that most other Muslim countries.
Just as Islam shuns democracy, we have to start shunning political parties that allow mass Islamic immigration to Australia. That rules out Labor and the Greens straight away – we saw what happened under six years of Labor/Greens government, 50 thousand illegal immigrants, most of them Muslims, flooded into our country.
Far from learning from their stupidity, Labor/Greens views in this matter have changed little since then. I’ve always considered that economic policy is the most important issue for government – create a strong and vibrant economy with low debt, and job opportunities and money for defence and education and health services will flow on from there.
But if we have a government with policies that rapidly increase the rate at which Australia is being Islamized, then very soon our economy will be so completely wrecked that we’ll never recover. There’s no way in the world that we can have a strong and vibrant economy if we’re being ruled by the backward ideals and attitudes of Islam.

 

[dutchie]

The writing is on the wall.

The Islamisation of the world will create more havoc and deaths, well and truly, before there are any similar effects caused by climate change.

Europe, including GB, falling one by one ,will suffer initially and then it's just a matter of time.

The clear and present danger to the world is not climate change but Islam.

 

[SirRumpole]

The writing is on the wall.

The Islamisation of the world will create more havoc and deaths, well and truly, before there are any similar effects caused by climate change.

Europe, including GB, falling one by one ,will suffer initially and then it's just a matter of time.

The clear and present danger to the world is not climate change but Islam.

One can only hope that our governments recognise the dangers of letting Islam get a foothold in this country and reduce immigration from Muslim countries.

I would not expect any outspoken anti Islam statements from politicians though, there is a case for not stirring up any trouble when you don't have to. Just keep it quiet and behind the scenes make it more difficult for anti Western democracy accolytes to come here and and spread their malevolence using our welfare money.

 

[bunyip]

One can only hope that our governments recognise the dangers of letting Islam get a foothold in this country and reduce immigration from Muslim countries.

I would not expect any outspoken anti Islam statements from politicians though, there is a case for not stirring up any trouble when you don't have to. Just keep it quiet and behind the scenes make it more difficult for anti Western democracy accolytes to come here and and spread their malevolence using our welfare money.

You’d better give Labor a miss from here on then Rumpy, and start voting LNP. Surely not even a diehard Labor man like you would dispute the fact that Tony Abbot leaves Labor for dead when it comes to slowing down the Islamization of Australia.
Rudd/Gillard & Co did exactly the opposite – they sped up the process by bringing in 50 thousand of them in just six years. And don’t forget that it wasn’t Rudd & Gillard alone who formulated their disastrous open borders policy....the senior members of the current opposition - Shorten, Plibersek, Albanese, Bowen etc all had an input into the Rudd/Gillard policy of getting rid of Howards Pacific Solution, and effectively laying out the welcome mat to Muslims in their tens of thousands.
If you want a return to that disastrous policy, then just vote those ALP twits back into power at the next election. And don’t forget that they come with the baggage of Islam-loving Greens like Milne and Hanson-Young and a couple of other short-sighted fools who are too dumb to realize that their ‘come one come all’ policies will simply turn Australia into an Islamic state.

 

[Tisme]

You’d better give Labor a miss from here on then Rumpy, and start voting LNP. Surely not even a diehard Labor man like you would dispute the fact that Tony Abbot leaves Labor for dead when it comes to slowing down the Islamization of Australia.
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It's odd that for decades the Labor Party, like the other majors supported Western European and British ideals and zeal for social fairness, technology and science over primitive cultures and in return they never got elected into power (white Australia Policies). Now they support the great extinction of enlightened western culture in favour of mind numbing obedience to religious facism they still can't get a ticket to ride still!

If you were muslim here you would probably be better to vote LNP so that the trickle down hatred can be infused in your kids and their kids as the fifth column builds it's base.

My solution to the spread of evil Islam is to have western technology limited to western idealogues and otherwise an abacus for those that do not share the western ideas of progress and individual freedoms (I guess Campbell Newman might have to lose his calculator and PC by that yardstick too).

First cab off the rank: pull the evil western internet plug on the Arabs everywhere and let them talk to each other via their proxy god prophet and an excuse for bad behaviour book. Second turn of the evil western invented electricity supplies. Thirdly the evil western television, radio, tanks, airplanes, cars, ships, the whole firken lot and finally give them a book on how to ride camels, set up tents in the deserts and how to buy and treat slaves.

 

[SirRumpole]

You’d better give Labor a miss from here on then Rumpy, and start voting LNP. Surely not even a diehard Labor man like you would dispute the fact that Tony Abbot leaves Labor for dead when it comes to slowing down the Islamization of Australia.
Rudd/Gillard & Co did exactly the opposite – they sped up the process by bringing in 50 thousand of them in just six years. And don’t forget that it wasn’t Rudd & Gillard alone who formulated their disastrous open borders policy....the senior members of the current opposition - Shorten, Plibersek, Albanese, Bowen etc all had an input into the Rudd/Gillard policy of getting rid of Howards Pacific Solution, and effectively laying out the welcome mat to Muslims in their tens of thousands.
If you want a return to that disastrous policy, then just vote those ALP twits back into power at the next election. And don’t forget that they come with the baggage of Islam-loving Greens like Milne and Hanson-Young and a couple of other short-sighted fools who are too dumb to realize that their ‘come one come all’ policies will simply turn Australia into an Islamic state.

In the first place, how do you know how many of those refugees were Muslims ? Secondly I do give credit to the LNP for stopping the boats, but there are also regular migration programs (family reunion etc) that let in people from Muslim countries. I'd like to see some evidence that the Coalition is cracking down on those too.

As for Labor, there are certainly some wets there that need to be dried out, however I don't think that they will completely ignore the lessons from the Coalition's successful anti people smuggler policies. We'll have to wait and see on that as to whether the wets or dries prevail in the Labor party.