Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

bellenuit · 20 January 2015

basilio said:
My argument is that damning a religion as "inherently evil" is one of the strongest possible condemnations one can make of the religion, it's followers and anyone who even supports the right of those followers to their beliefs.

The Nazi reference follows this principle. Hitler decided that Judaism was intrinsically evil. That meant cleansing the German Reich of all Jewish taints. It started with laws against employment, marriage, owning of businesses. It extended to forced public identification, creation of ghettos and finally the extermination camps.

This again is where I think you are making the wrong comparison. It was Nazism that was inherently evil and Islam is today's equivalent to Nazism. In Palestinian schools they are thought that the Jews are monkeys (Case Study: Portraying Jews as "Apes and Pigs" http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=786 ) and the Islamic Hadith calls for the extermination of the Jews (it is explicit and no amount of obfuscation by the apologists can claim it is saying otherwise: 73% of Palestinians agree with genocidal hadith about Muslims killing Jews hiding behind trees http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/7...bout-muslims-killing-jews-hiding-behind-trees ). Although there may be instances of Muslims being harassed for wearing their headgear in Western societies, it is the Jews in Europe who, under attack by Islam, are the victims and reminiscent of Germany when the Nazis were coming to power.

A new anti-Semitism? Why thousands of Jewish citizens are leaving France

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/a-ne...usands-of-jewish-citizens-are-leaving-france/

Jewish people feel they have no future in Britain as fears over anti-Semitism grow

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/55...ry-about-future-fears-over-anti-Semitism-grow

It was Nazism that imposed censorship of "liberal" writings, movies and even music and it is Islam today that does the same thing. Islam is not standing up for the rights of free speech but like the Nazis who denounced "liberal" culture as Jewish filth, Islam denounce it as unIslamic and Jewish inspired filth.

We have seen the oppression of minorities in almost all Islamic states at the hands of the Islamists in power. It is there we see "laws against employment, marriage, owning of businesses" by infidels. There are no comparable laws in any Western democracy applied to Muslims.

Everything you fear about what could happen if Islam is denounced is actually happening all over the Muslim world against infidels, yet you do not seem to have an issue with it.

It was those who appeased Nazism that allowed it to take hold in Europe and it is those who appease Islam's barbaric culture that will allow it to spread in the West.

You are picking the wrong victim.

Calliope · 20 January 2015

SirRumpole said:
The master of denunciation by inference strikes again.

You can see Rumpy, if you can get your head out of the sand, that bas gets highly worked up and emotive about any criticism of Islam. I made no inference, my assessment was based on her words.

I suppose you will call him a terrorism supporter next simply because he, like myself, does not go for the tarring of everyone with the same brush tactics that is the only argument that simple minds who can only see the world in black and white can mount.

Rubbish. She is is sympathetic to the Islamist cause. She is on the wrong track. Even a simple mind like yours must be aware that Islamism is an evil religion/cult, and Bas is obviously smarter than you, who keep posting even when you have nothing to say.

luutzu · 20 January 2015

basilio said:
I suggest you have misunderstood my statements. As I have seen the discussion, many people are trying to say Islam is inherently evil and quoting various sections of the Quran to back up their views. In other instances we just see some totally simplistic memes being paraded to back up the statement that Islam is inherently evil.

For what is was worth I offered a source which specifically addressed the issue of the 5 most misquoted Islamic verses. When you read it you can see how taking one statement out of a whole paragraph can instantly create a completely unrealistic picture.

This is not an accident of course. On the net anyone can say anything ... and get away with it. In fact the more outrageous the better. The bigger the lie the easier it is to get away with.

The process of selective quotation and outright lies has and can be used by anyone who wants to trash a religion or political group. Judaism has been historically trashed with "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" (pure creative lies) and the blood libel was used to drive pograms in the Middle Ages.

On a similar note anyone can pick lines and passages from the Bible that portray Jews and Christians as mass killers, slave drivers, women haters whatever. There is a ton of historical date on the role of the Christan Church in killing heretics, Jews, Muslims, witches (women...) . It's all there. So on these grounds it wouldn't be hard to make the case that "These religions are inherently evil"

My argument is that damning a religion as "inherently evil" is one of the strongest possible condemnations one can make of the religion, it's followers and anyone who even supports the right of those followers to their beliefs.

The Nazi reference follows this principle. Hitler decided that Judaism was intrinsically evil. That meant cleansing the German Reich of all Jewish taints. It started with laws against employment, marriage, owning of businesses. It extended to forced public identification, creation of ghettos and finally the extermination camps.

In my view after one brands a group/religion as "inherently/intrinsically evil" you are well on the way to a final solution situation.

So the question would have to be

"Why on earth would we attempt to brand 1.2 billion people as part of an inherantly evil religion and not anticipate a response?
And how would at least some of these people respond to such a campaign?"

It is IMO factually wrong and a terrifyingly dangerous way to behave as a community. Lets address extreme and violent behaviour. Lets look at overall reasons for hatred . But deciding athat the religion is inherently evil....

Well said.

Once we start to group and classify people, the next step will be terrifying and... quite rational. If all of them are evil or somewhat evil, what do we do with evil people? Not going to live with them that's for sure.

bellenuit · 20 January 2015

basilio said:
For anyone interested in how the rest of the Muslim world view ISIS [/url]

How do you make that conclusion?

Cameron uses Downing Street talks to challenge Emir of Qatar to stop the flow of cash to ISIS

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...challenge-Emir-Qatar-stop-flow-cash-ISIS.html

‘ISIS Sees Turkey as Its Ally': Former Islamic State Member Reveals Turkish Army Cooperation

http://www.newsweek.com/isis-and-tu...rds-former-isis-member-reveals-turkish-282920

Facebook riddled with Australian Muslims supporting ISIS

http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...-supporting-isis/story-fnjwmwrh-1227034437804

80% of London Muslims Support ISIS

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/80-of-london-muslims-support-isis/

Support for Isis stronger in Arabic social media in Europe than in Syria

Forty-seven per cent of studied tweets and posts from Qatar, 35% from Pakistan, 31% from Belgium and almost 24% of posts from UK and 21% from the US were classified as being supportive of the jihadist organisation compared with just under 20% in Jordan, Saudi Arabia (19.7%) and Iraq (19.8%).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nger-arabic-social-media-europe-us-than-syria

16% of French Citizens Support ISIS, Poll Finds

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-citizens-support-isis-poll-finds-266795

basilio · 20 January 2015

Interesting Bellenit. You now wish to introduce the issue of the Arab-Isralei conflict into the discussion.

I think it's a great idea because one of the most intractable issues in the Middle East is resolving which country is entitled to what land.

You offered two references to illustrate how Palestinians are indoctrinated regarding the Israeli state. The first comes from an Israeli research group. They should be even handed I guess.

The other I don't know.

Now if you would like to see a bigger picture why not check the work of Alison Weir. I'll take the trouble of quoting her background and comments about her work.

If Americans Knew

"Ms. Weir presents a powerful, well documented view of the Middle East today. She is intelligent, careful, and critical. American policy makers would benefit greatly from hearing her first-hand observations and attempting to answer the questions she poses. This is an intellectual, thought-provoking, and worthwhile presentation."

Thomas Campbell, Former US Congressman (R-CA), Dean of Chapman University Fowler School of Law

"When the speech ended, Ms. Weir was met with thunderous applause, and across the room there was a widespread sense of satisfaction that someone was saying what needed to be said."

New York Times

"Prodigiously documented... Alison Weir must be highly commended for throwing such a brilliantly hard light on the relationship between the United States and Israel."

Ambassador Andrew Killgore, of Weir's new book on US-Israel relations

In 2001, as the struggle between Palestinians and Israel heated up, Alison Weir left her job as editor of a weekly newspaper and traveled alone to the Palestinian territories. There, she made her way through the West Bank and Gaza, without a guide or a flak jacket, eager to learn what the conflict was all about.

She spoke with Palestinians and Israelis; interviewed mothers, fathers, children, grandparents, hospital workers, teachers. She rushed to the scenes of violence, notebook and camera in hand, and observed Middle East reality first-hand. And she was amazed by what she learned: That the truth of the conflict, on the ground, bore almost no resemblance to the stories told in US media.

Weir came home determined to change that. She began to speak and write on the topic and soon founded If Americans Knew, a nonprofit dedicated to accurately informing Americans. More recently, she also accepted a position as president of the Council for the National Interest. In addition to disseminating transparently sourced data, news, and analysis, If Americans Knew has completed seven in-depth statistical studies of US media coverage of Israel-Palestine.

Drawing on her background as both a civil rights activist and Peace Corps volunteer and the child of a military family, Weir has striven to provide a clear-sighted view of the issue that is free of partisan perspectives or preconceptions and that relies exclusively on facts-based analysis. She believes that open-minded examination of all available evidence, informed by universal principles of human rights, self-determination and justice for all people, is the only way to truly understand the conflict. Thus exposing the truth is, she believes, the best and only hope for justice and, therefore, peace for Palestinians, Israelis, Americans, and indeed the world.

Weir has spoken all over the United States, including two briefings on Capitol Hill, presentations at the Center for Policy Analysis on Palestine (one broadcast nationally on C-Span), at World Affairs Councils, and at numerous universities including Harvard Law School, Columbia, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, Georgetown, the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Vassar, the Naval Postgraduate Institute, Purdue, Northwestern, and the University of Virginia. She has given papers at various international conferences, lectured in Ramallah and at the University of Qatar, presented at the Asia Media Summits in Kuala Lumpur and Beijing, and given speaking tours in England and Wales.

Weir has also written widely on Israel-Palestine, the US connection, and media coverage. Her first book, Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel, was published in February 2014 and has received high praise from both ends of the political spectrum. Her essays and articles have appeared in a number of books and magazines, among them The New Intifada (Verso), Censored 2005 (Seven Stories Press), Encyclopedia of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (Rienner), The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, San Francisco Bay View newspaper, CounterPunch, and The Link.

Weir has received various awards and in 2004 was inducted into honorary membership of Phi Alpha Literary Society, founded in 1845 at Illinois College. The award cited her as a "Courageous journalist-lecturer on behalf of human rights. The first woman to receive an honorary membership in Phi Alpha history."

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/about_us/alisonweir.html

There are links to about 40 different stories she has written.

Bintang · 20 January 2015

basilio said:
ISIS is a devastatingly dangerous fanatical group. The rest of the Muslim world is just as concerned as "The west". When the US and Iran partner to tackle ISIS one gets an idea of how dangerous they are to all people.

Ah yes, the old, simple-minded, ‘enemy of my enemy must be my friend’ concept.
This once again demonstrates complete ignorance. ISIS are Sunnis. The Iranians are Shias. The Sunnis and Shia hate each other.
However, the Shia desire to eradicate Sunni will never make the Iranian Shias our friends.

basilio said:
A meme is a simple,powerful argument.

It can also have the meaning of ‘an element of a system of behaviour’.

basilio said:
And who is Allahs name says that ISIS is the most authentic form of Islam being practiced in the world?

To be a muslim is to believe that Mohammed was the perfect man. That’s why it is important to understand just how 'perfect' this man was. Basilio, you obviously don’t know anything about this, otherwise you would easily understand the statement that ISIS is practicing the most authentic form of Islam in the world today.

basilio said:
As for my referance regarding the word of Mohammad and the Quran. I'm bewildered at your ignorance. The person I cited is a leading Islamic scholar.

I too am bewildered by your ignorance.
I’m sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the leading Islamic scholar you are quoting is still a practicing muslim. Try broadening your understanding by reading what the ex-muslim Islamic scholars have to say. Especially the ones, who are living under a constant threat of death for having dared to lift the veil on Islam.

And then of course there is the great Islamic scholar Ayatollah Khomeini, Shia muslim and father of the Iranian revolution (those same Iranians who are now going to partner with the USA to rid the world of ISIS). Here is one of his most famous statements:

Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!

basilio said:
For anyone interested in how the rest of the Muslim world view ISIS and the way in which they have reacted to the outrages the open letter is a good read.

A good read it may be Basilio but it is also clever propaganda. A discussion about it almost requires a separate thread of its own. For brevity I will let you into just one ‘dirty little secret’. Non-muslims and apostates are not innocent. Only muslims are innocent.

Bintang · 20 January 2015

bellenuit said:
How do you make that conclusion?

Cameron uses Downing Street talks to challenge Emir of Qatar to stop the flow of cash to ISIS

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...challenge-Emir-Qatar-stop-flow-cash-ISIS.html

‘ISIS Sees Turkey as Its Ally': Former Islamic State Member Reveals Turkish Army Cooperation

http://www.newsweek.com/isis-and-tu...rds-former-isis-member-reveals-turkish-282920

Facebook riddled with Australian Muslims supporting ISIS

http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...-supporting-isis/story-fnjwmwrh-1227034437804

80% of London Muslims Support ISIS

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/80-of-london-muslims-support-isis/

Support for Isis stronger in Arabic social media in Europe than in Syria

Forty-seven per cent of studied tweets and posts from Qatar, 35% from Pakistan, 31% from Belgium and almost 24% of posts from UK and 21% from the US were classified as being supportive of the jihadist organisation compared with just under 20% in Jordan, Saudi Arabia (19.7%) and Iraq (19.8%).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nger-arabic-social-media-europe-us-than-syria

16% of French Citizens Support ISIS, Poll Finds

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-citizens-support-isis-poll-finds-266795

I would add to this that it was Saudi money that was used to create ISIS in the first place. Guess what people, the Saudis are Sunni muslims.

bellenuit · 20 January 2015

basilio said:
Interesting Bellenit. You now wish to introduce the issue of the Arab-Isralei conflict into the discussion.

I don't know which of my last two posts this is in response to, but nowhere did I introduce the Arab-Isralei conflict, other than reference what is being taught in Palestinian schools. It seems this is a diversion to avoid addressing what I have posted. The Israeli conflict is a symptom of the inherent evil in both of these major religions and to a certain extent Christianity through US support, but it does not in any way diminish the evilness inherent in these major religions, or specifically the evilness in Islam, the topic of this thread.

bellenuit · 20 January 2015

basilio · 20 January 2015

The bigger picture. Israel and The Palestinian conflict.

While we are on the subject of atrocities I'll introduce one of Alison Weirs investigative stories.

Murdering babies is “permissible” when they’re Palestinian

Alison Weir
CounterPunch
March 17, 2011

US media widely and repeatedly reported on the horrific March 11th murder of three small Israeli children and their parents. While no one yet knows who committed this grotesque act, reports presume that the murderers were Palestinian, and for this reason the incident is receiving major attention. Various heads of state, including President Obama, have condemned it.

If it turns out that the murderer or murderers were Israeli, as some previously presumed “terrorists” have turned out to be, or a foreign worker who had previously threatened the family over unpaid wages, as some reports from the area suggest, it is likely that coverage of the tragic incident will quickly vanish from U.S. headlines.

For now, however, American news reports continue to provide excruciating details about the atrocity. Given the amount of reportage, it is surprising how much significant information is omitted.

For example, none of these reports mention that the location of the murders, Itamar (near Nablus), is an illegal Jewish-only settlement on stolen Palestinian land in the midst of refugees whom Israel pushed off their ancestral land through massacres and ruthless military actions.

Nor do reports mention the frequency with which Israeli settlers beat, occasionally torture, and sometimes murder Palestinians of all ages, burn their crops, and hack down their groves of olive trees, the livelihood of many Palestinian villagers; hundreds, at least, of these trees, have been destroyed by rampaging Israeli settlers.
Religious extremism

Even lengthy articles on the tragic incident fail to mention the extremely relevant and chillingly ironic fact that Itamar was founded and is largely populated by fanatic Jewish extremists, many of whom believe that the killing of non-Jewish infants is religiously permitted, and sometimes mandated, as discussed in a best-selling book The King’s Torah, which was written by authors from the area and endorsed by numerous rabbis and religious schools (but opposed by most Israelis).

In their elaborate descriptions of the murder scene, U.S. articles neglect to mention that the building next door is the house of Chabad Lubavitch emissaries, a Hassidic movement in Orthodox Judaism, and features a photo of the late Lubavitcher Rebbe Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, known for his astoundingly supremacist teachings.

A partial list of Palestinian Children Killed by Israelis

This is a partial list of children mostly 13 and under of the approximately 1,500 Palestinian minors killed by Israeli forces from fall 2000 through early 2011. During the same period Palestinians killed about 130 Israeli minors.

The following information is taken from Remember These Children, which works to document all Israeli and Palestinian children who have been killed, in the belief, sadly not shared by the U.S. media, that all of these children matter. In the list below, “IDF” stands for Israeli Defense Forces, an offensive, occupying force; “Incursion” refers to an invasion of Palestinian land by Israeli military forces. The full list is available at www.RememberTheseChildren.org

Check out the names and causes of death of these children. Then consider how their families and communities might feel.

bellenuit · 20 January 2015

bellenuit said:
The Israeli conflict is a symptom of the inherent evil in both of these major religions and to a certain extent Christianity through US support, but it does not in any way diminish the evilness inherent in these major religions, or specifically the evilness in Islam, the topic of this thread.

I don't intend to be diverted by the Arab-Israeli conflict, but this fresh tweet from Richard Dawkins best sums it up.

Bintang · 20 January 2015

luutzu said:
Well said.
Once we start to group and classify people, the next step will be terrifying and... quite rational. If all of them are evil or somewhat evil, what do we do with evil people? Not going to live with them that's for sure.

You are quite right Iuutzu.
It terrifies me that I am classified as a kafir.
(PS: You are too and so is basilio …… I think )

luutzu · 20 January 2015

Calliope said:
You can see Rumpy, if you can get your head out of the sand, that bas gets highly worked up and emotive about any criticism of Islam. I made no inference, my assessment was based on her words.

Rubbish. She is is sympathetic to the Islamist cause. She is on the wrong track. Even a simple mind like yours must be aware that Islamism is an evil religion/cult, and Bas is obviously smarter than you, who keep posting even when you have nothing to say.

In scientific psychology, it was found that people stereotype this and that so it is easier to think.

Stereotyping, in other words, make the subject matter simpler to process - we don't want to see everything as completely new and must reprocess.

Some stereotyping are essential, passed down to us from our forebears due to its evolutionary advantages - most snakes will kill you, best to avoid and be afraid of them; women with big breasts and lots of curves would nourish your offspring better, so try to marry those ones...

However, for the simple minded, the lazy... stereotyping serves the need to not think too much else their head hurts. That's even easier to do when you got media and politicians winking and nudging if they're not screaming it out loud... that Muslims and Islam are this and that.
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Seriously though, you ought to get to know a few Muslims. I went to school with some of them; have work with some of them; have dealt with a few tradies and contractors; have interacted with them... they're good people... not very different from any group you care to compare to.

Give you an example. We were demolishing this brick shed and hired a few skip bins from this Muslim skip hire place. The owner, who is also the driver, saw our shed and see it's all brick. Know what he said? We've already agreed on the price but once he saw our pile he said that if we just throw bricks in the bins, he'll charge us $550 instead of $800.

Even advised us on how to recycle the colorbond and have it picked up free, and the few sticks of timber we can take to the depot ourselves.

I've met enough Arabs and Muslims to know they're not all like that, but that also applies to other races I know as well - including the Asians, and the Catholics, and the Whites.

So trust me, you're wrong about Muslims and Islam... and man, you do not want to live in a country where the majority think like you do about them or any other group either.

So if you yourself have looked into this issue carefully and concluded that Muslim and Islam is just nasty, then OK; Just make sure you're not being made a fool of by those with other motives.

A first step might be to ask why is it that we always fight bad and evil people.

Are they bad and evil because they're really nasty, or so because they're against us only.

Are we good and pure when we flatten homes and destroy cities to protect ourselves or avenge crimes against us; but they are evil and cruel when they do similar for perceived wrongdoings by us?

Bintang · 20 January 2015

luutzu said:
So trust me, you're wrong about Muslims and Islam... and man, you do not want to live in a country where the majority think like you do about them or any other group either.

That concerns me far less than living in a country which has been subjugated to Sharia law.

"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!"

luutzu · 20 January 2015

Bintang said:
You are quite right Iuutzu.
It terrifies me that I am classified as a kafir.
(PS: You are too and so is basilio …… I think )

From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffir_(racial_term)

Kaffir (racial term):

Etymology -

"Kaffir" is derived from the Arabic word (Arabic: كافر) that is usually translated into English as "non-believer", i.e. a non-Muslim. The word was originally applied to non-Muslim black peoples encountered along the Swahili coast by Arab traders.

The word kaffir is used in South Africa to refer to a black person. Now widely considered an offensive ethnic slur, it was formerly a neutral term for South African blacks.

The word is derived from the Arabic term kafir (meaning 'infidel'), which originally had the meaning 'one without religion'.[1]

Portuguese explorers adopted the term to refer to black non-Muslim peoples when they became involved in the Arab slave trade along the Swahili Coast. Later, other European traders also adopted its use.[2]
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The original Arabic definition seems fine with me - I'm an infidel. I've been called worst buddy.

The term the Portuguese colonialists use... mmm... is that the N word?

luutzu · 20 January 2015

Bintang said:
That concerns me far less than living in a country which has been subjugated to Sharia law.

"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!"

Fascism doesn't seem like an ideal place to be. Not even for the master race.

Yea, a couple of hundred thousand Muslims, assuming they're all for Sharia Law, could manage that in Australia. That'd be the day.

luutzu · 20 January 2015

Bintang said:
I would add to this that it was Saudi money that was used to create ISIS in the first place. Guess what people, the Saudis are Sunni muslims.

Guess what Bintang, the Saudis work for us.

The bin Saud dynasty wouldn't be around if the US/West didn't prop them up since WW2.

Bintang · 20 January 2015

luutzu said:
The original Arabic definition seems fine with me - I'm an infidel. I've been called worst buddy.

It’s never the name that hurts, it’s the sticks and stones – buddy.

luutzu said:
Yea, a couple of hundred thousand Muslims, assuming they're all for Sharia Law, could manage that in Australia. That'd be the day.

Yea, buddy, only a couple of hundred thousand Muslims and we already have Sharia law in the form of halal food certification. Give them time, buddy.

Bintang · 20 January 2015

luutzu said:
Guess what Bintang, the Saudis work for us.

The bin Saud dynasty wouldn't be around if the US/West didn't prop them up since WW2.

Absolutely, and that's because the Saudi dynasty are quasi-muslims, not muslims. Ossama Bin-Laden would have killed all of them if he had the chance.

Refer back to my table of muslim categories. It really does help to put everything in perspective.

luutzu · 20 January 2015

Bintang said:
That concerns me far less than living in a country which has been subjugated to Sharia law.

"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!"

So what does "spreading democracy" mean to you? Spreading it at home, on our own soil?

Do we really need to have it written down that we must defend our national interests? Protect our values and way of life? Maybe even spread it to people who might not want it... or who want it, but we say we spread it but don't actually do it.

What else...

English is now the international language? How did that happen?

How about the years and the calendar?

"The day must now follow the dictate of Ceasar" said Cicero. So does the whole world now.

What's 2015 A.D. mean? OK it's now 2015 C.E, the common era... but it still mean "in the year of our lord", yea? From the birth of Christ - King of Kings.

So do you want to compare evil by word or by deeds?
I'm sure there are plenty of words in the Torah and the Bible too.

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