Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[Tisme]

The cor eof the problem

 

[luutzu]

I think the smarter water way to look at is that Muslim women are enforced to stay at home because of their husband's religious beliefs.

I am going back to the 30s to 50s era, when the modern cons of today were not available in the years mentioned, the wife of the house was compelled, as different to enforce.

There were no washing machines or dryers .....Cloths, linen and towels were boiled in a wood fired copper, drain, rinsed, then through the blue water.......Each operation was hand wrung before being hung on the line in the back yard......With a family of three that was 4 hours work twice per week....Today, you throw the clothes washing machine add detergent, rinse material and come back in 30 minutes when the all is done.

Kids went to school with a cut lunch as there were no tuck shops.

There were no child care centres where to leave kids while Mum went to work.

Because there were no mechanical equipment to clean floors, floors were scrubbed on the woman's hands and knees.

Ironing was done with a mother pots iron heated on the stove.

Most places in those days all had wood fired stoves with a hot water tank on the side....No electrical hot water systems......Bath time for three plus Mum and Dad began when the first kid arrived home from school as there was only enough water in the stove tank for one bath at a time, then you had to wait another half hour for the tank to get hot...Sometimes we had to share a both to save time....Hot water was carried in a bucket from kitchen to bathroom....Our first electrical hot water system was installed by yours truly in 1948.

All food for the family was home cooked on the wood fire...No take away-fast food outlets

Al very time consuming.

So I hope I have enlightened you as to reasons why women stayed home to take care of the home and the family choirs.......There was no spare time for her work as well.

So man can't do any of that because it's time consuming?

Got nothing to do with the sexism?

Didn't people of your generation only send boys to school while the girls, even if they're the eldest, get send to the kitchen?

Women, and some men, have to fight for a more equal society. And it's not Christian enlightenment that decides it's time to set the women free either.

 

[noco]

The Islamic weapon of mass reproduction.

Strange as it may seem but that was the policy of the Catholic Church in the first half of the 20th century whereby contraception was banned, hence the reason why we had large Catholic families....Then the latter half of the the last century married Catholic couples found they could not afford large families and then the cheating began.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/663454310378140/permalink/1378969658826598/

 

[luutzu]

I am going to stick my neck out here and open a scenario question for sensible debate.

I listened to an Muslim Mufti on a Face Book U-Tube stating that there will be an Islamic country within Australia in the near future.......An Islamic country with Sharia law......Where he intended it to be, he did not elaborate.....Would it be in the Western suburbs of Sydney or some where in the middle of Australia?...H e did mention all the street names would be converted to Arabic.

Now how would he acquire the land from the local authority or would he just commandeer it without compensation?...Would he then take over the roads and rail and infrastructure like water supply and sewerage?..How would he maintain a continued and reliable supply of electricity?..How is he going to pay for it?

We pay out millions if not billions in welfare to Muslims who do not work or to Muslim men with 4 wives and 17 kids....Would they expect the Australian tax payer to continue with that support if they formed their own country?...I hope not......So with so many Muslims out of work how would they derive at enough money to maintain their status qua......

Would they build a new airport or expect to use Australia air ports......So going from their new Islamic country into Australia, would they not require passports and visas.......Would they be allowed to work in Australia outside their own Muslim country?

http://morningmail.org/islamic-immigration/

Wow!

How far from Australia is Townsville? Do you live in the same country or what?

 

[luutzu]

I do enjoy my days Muschu and I think you know that if we don't forward our arguments there is zero chance of discussion. Your argument is that we shouldn't "tar everyone with the same brush" which is very noble, but not viable. Of course we all have individual friends who are Muslim, Christian, etc, but I'm not sure if any of mine are staunchly so ... perhaps one old Catholic girl who shows great hurt at hot x buns being consumed prior Easter Sunday.

Your'e lucky, your Scandinavian savages in boats forefathers matured in a modern day race as has Germany after generations of being Europe's resident dickh3ad.

You couldn't get an apparently nicer bloke than luutzu, but even he has to defend every wannabe migrant because he superimposes his own/family struggles of refugee years. His migrant posts are misplaced, because he refuse to analyse the true impact of a non assimilating culture with a plan to carve out their own nation within a nation.

It's innate to be tribally racial. The problem for a nation is when an incipient pathological disease, cultured on a petri dish of zombie supersitition and barbarism spreads like a harmful plague.... there isn't enough of us to inoculate the mindless victims of their ancestory.

Come on McGee, even drunken warmongering genocidal imperialist White Europeans can become (mostly) civilised and humane (with some exceptions)... don't worry about the Muslims not getting out of their historical savageries.

 

[noco]

Wow!

How far from Australia is Townsville? Do you live in the same country or what?

What a joke you are Luu.....I was hoping to get some sensible debate on this subject but what else could I expect from the likes of you.

You will have to face reality some day.

 

[pixel]

I am going to stick my neck out here and open a scenario question for sensible debate.

I listened to an Muslim Mufti on a Face Book U-Tube stating that there will be an Islamic country within Australia in the near future.......An Islamic country with Sharia law......Where he intended it to be, he did not elaborate.....Would it be in the Western suburbs of Sydney or some where in the middle of Australia?...H e did mention all the street names would be converted to Arabic.

Now how would he acquire the land from the local authority or would he just commandeer it without compensation?...Would he then take over the roads and rail and infrastructure like water supply and sewerage?..How would he maintain a continued and reliable supply of electricity?..How is he going to pay for it?

Why should he pay for it, noco?
He'll do exactly as the British did 200-odd years ago:

1. Declare that the current people that live here are not really humans. The Poms used terms such as "savages", but "infidels" will do just the same.
2. Then he can create the legal concept of "Terra Nullius", meaning the continent doesn't belong to anybody. ... or at least to nobody he recognises.
   
3. Based on the above, he claims all of Australia for Allah and his profit - umm: prophet.
4. He starts an all-out media campaign that Allah told him - in a pipe dream after 40 days of fasting in the Sandy Desert - that he is the Chosen One to rule the land according to Sharia

He promises every new arrival a house, a car, and an "indigenous family" as slaves to do the dirty work. Needless to mention that new arrivals must share the One True Faith and swear allegiance to him as the Chosen One. Shouldn't that work?

 

[Muschu]

I do enjoy my days Muschu and I think you know that if we don't forward our arguments there is zero chance of discussion. Your argument is that we shouldn't "tar everyone with the same brush" which is very noble, but not viable. Of course we all have individual friends who are Muslim, Christian, etc, but I'm not sure if any of mine are staunchly so ... perhaps one old Catholic girl who shows great hurt at hot x buns being consumed prior Easter Sunday.

Your'e lucky, your Scandinavian savages in boats forefathers matured in a modern day race as has Germany after generations of being Europe's resident dickh3ad.

You couldn't get an apparently nicer bloke than luutzu, but even he has to defend every wannabe migrant because he superimposes his own/family struggles of refugee years. His migrant posts are misplaced, because he refuse to analyse the true impact of a non assimilating culture with a plan to carve out their own nation within a nation.

It's innate to be tribally racial. The problem for a nation is when an incipient pathological disease, cultured on a petri dish of zombie supersitition and barbarism spreads like a harmful plague.... there isn't enough of us to inoculate the mindless victims of their ancestory.

You didn't quite get my point Tisme but that may be my doing. I see there are 107 pages of discussion on this thread so certainly people are putting forward their arguments. I do wonder how much listening and reflection has occurred - as opposed to finding the language to defend or promote one's own position.
I don't usually participate very much in these "discussions" as I find keyboards very limiting. I do accept that for others it is what they want or, in a few instances, all that they have. And I hope I have said that respectfully [and do not suggest this is your situation -as I have no familiarity with you]. I do remember a PM with Julia [for those who recall - a very resilient and well-respected lady of very strong views - and with some life issues] to whom these ASF opportunities were very important. I also recall her suggesting to me, and appropriately so, that my own circumstances are very different. She was right and I learned from that exchange.
I'll leave the topic with you and hope it is fruitful and a good experience for all.
Regards

 

[luutzu]

What a joke you are Luu.....I was hoping to get some sensible debate on this subject but what else could I expect from the likes of you.

You will have to face reality some day.

You're not after serious debate noco. I wish you were but I don't think you care for a debate.

Seems all you want is that we agree with you, and whatever news source you're reading, that Muslims are evil, bad, wife-bashing, child abusing, welfare cheating parasitic psychopaths hell bend on taking over Australia and all Western countries.

There's about 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world. That's about 1/4th of all human on Earth.


Let me repeat what Chomsky observed about the need to not put up with lies and hate like this.

Remember the Vietnam War? Chomsky said that beside a handful of activists, the American public have no idea about Vietnam, take JFK's words that the US is there to do something good... and so the war went on for almost a decade without the public knowing about it.

During that decade before the public see and get involved, pretty much the entire country was destroyed.

There's chemical weapons being spread across forests and farmland; there's Napalm; Agent Orange spreading and turning a tropical land into a desert noco. It still kills unborn babies decades after 1975... birth defects, cancer etc. etc.

Then there's the carpet bombing all over S.Vietnam. There's the almost total destruction of Laos and Cambodia - leading eventually to Pol Pot.

When the public see and understand the war, they get outraged and they want it to end. That kind of hippie dippy nonsense saves who knows how many lives.


Now... when Bush Jr. and companies wanted to invade Iraq... the world was immediately out there protesting in the millions. All across Australia, America, Europe.

The public protests didn't managed to stop the war machines, but it did mean that no chemical weapons were used - less carpet bombing, a bit less daisy cutters and less carpet bombing.

When enough fear is driven into people, another 5 Muslim countries got bombed and in the process of being destroyed. Millions are displaced and on the verge of famine; hundreds of thousands dead; and terrorists and warlords rises up all over the place.

Three to four generations of Muslims in the ME are being destroyed right now, as we speak.

But instead of thinking a bit about it, a bit about whether all these are necessary or moral or just... we idiots add more fuel and give our warmongers and merchant of death our permission to go kill people.

Why? How? Because we believe that they're evil. So let's kill all of them before they can kill us.

It's a serious subject. You're not taking it seriously. And unfortunately, if enough people don't take it seriously, innocent people die.

But let say it's a dog eat dog world, kill or be killed. Try and spend a trillion dollar a year on "security" and "defense" and watch how long a country can keep that up before it goes broke.

Britain couldn't maintain their empire; other European powers couldn't keep their colonies; you seriously think the US, our great protector, can do it?

Know what happen when they can't? Another military power rises up and take over. First they'll take their nearby for more living space; then they go a bit further out. Australia is that bit further out noco.

Then what? Go nuclear and we all die?

It's important, need a bit more thinking than simply Muslims being backwards and Christians being noble and awesome.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's important, need a bit more thinking than simply Muslims being backwards and Christians being noble and awesome.

You keep up with this fallacy that all Westerners are Christians. Do you think VC is a Christian ? Do you think I am a Christian ? Do you think Tisme is a Christian ?

Personally I want nothing to do with religion. I think it's mentally and emotionally enslaving. So what's happening in the ME is not a new Holy War of Christianity vs Islam. It's law and order vs barbarity.

Yes, civilians get killed, they always do. The Allies bombed Dresden in WW2, Hitler bombed London. How many civilians have ISIS killed to get their territory ? As I said before the people doing the main fighting against ISIS are Muslim countries, Iraq and Turkey and they want and need the allies in there to provide air cover for their troops. If we left, their troops would have it a lot tougher and take more casualties.

So lets not perpetuate this nonsense of a Holy War. It totally misrepresents the real situation.

 

[luutzu]

You keep up with this fallacy that all Westerners are Christians. Do you think VC is a Christian ? Do you think I am a Christian ? Do you think Tisme is a Christian ?

Personally I want nothing to do with religion. I think it's mentally and emotionally enslaving. So what's happening in the ME is not a new Holy War of Christianity vs Islam. It's law and order vs barbarity.

Yes, civilians get killed, they always do. The Allies bombed Dresden in WW2, Hitler bombed London. How many civilians have ISIS killed to get their territory ? As I said before the people doing the main fighting against ISIS are Muslim countries, Iraq and Turkey and they want and need the allies in there to provide air cover for their troops. If we left, their troops would have it a lot tougher and take more casualties.

So lets not perpetuate this nonsense of a Holy War. It totally misrepresents the real situation.

I never said it's a Holy War. To Bush Jr., maybe he sees it as a Holy War. To some in the upper command, maybe they see it as some sort of Christian vs the world kind of war. But it's just simple imperial war for strategic power and riches. Same as it has always been, across all cultures and empires.

I don't use the word Christian to mean that these wars are Christian wars or wars fought by Christians. It's just a description that, in general, the West are known as a Christian civilisation.

I even said elsewhere that if I'm a Christian, I'd be offended by these kind of warmongering in the name of Christianity and its value. For one, I'm pretty sure Jesus Christ wouldn't want this crab.


Now... since we agree that warmongers on our side aren't necessarily Christians; why then are their warmongers and terrorists doing what they do because of Islam?

And stop with that nonsense about good vs evil; law and order vs barbarity; democracy vs women abuse.

You know what a 50mm bullet does to a human head? It blows it clean off.

In an interview with Chris Hedges, he retell a story of a former US Marine witnessing an Iraqi child seeing his father's head blown clean off because his father didn't know there was a random check point the US just set up, thinking it was terrorists and so didn't slow down quick enough.

That's an accident then? We meant well? It's not as bad as ISIS beheading with a knife?

ISIS werne't even there when we went into Iraq. But now we have to stay there to help liberate people from ISIS?

How noble.

There are millions of Muslim/Arab refugees in camps all over the ME. Have we sent in much beside the UN a tent and some blanket?

There are thousands of refugees drowning trying to seek safety. Did we help or we call them all parasites and terrorists?

No, we only help them in their country, where we blow the heck out of it.
So stay home, it's safe... until a stray missile or a terrorist happen to be nearby and they all die together.

 

[SirRumpole]

I do remember a PM with Julia [for those who recall - a very resilient and well-respected lady of very strong views - and with some life issues] to whom these ASF opportunities were very important.

I was just thinking today how much I miss her balance and commonsense, even though we didn't always agree.

RIP Julia.

 

[noco]

You're not after serious debate noco. I wish you were but I don't think you care for a debate.

Seems all you want is that we agree with you, and whatever news source you're reading, that Muslims are evil, bad, wife-bashing, child abusing, welfare cheating parasitic psychopaths hell bend on taking over Australia and all Western countries.

There's about 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world. That's about 1/4th of all human on Earth.


Let me repeat what Chomsky observed about the need to not put up with lies and hate like this.

Remember the Vietnam War? Chomsky said that beside a handful of activists, the American public have no idea about Vietnam, take JFK's words that the US is there to do something good... and so the war went on for almost a decade without the public knowing about it.

During that decade before the public see and get involved, pretty much the entire country was destroyed.

There's chemical weapons being spread across forests and farmland; there's Napalm; Agent Orange spreading and turning a tropical land into a desert noco. It still kills unborn babies decades after 1975... birth defects, cancer etc. etc.

Then there's the carpet bombing all over S.Vietnam. There's the almost total destruction of Laos and Cambodia - leading eventually to Pol Pot.

When the public see and understand the war, they get outraged and they want it to end. That kind of hippie dippy nonsense saves who knows how many lives.


Now... when Bush Jr. and companies wanted to invade Iraq... the world was immediately out there protesting in the millions. All across Australia, America, Europe.

The public protests didn't managed to stop the war machines, but it did mean that no chemical weapons were used - less carpet bombing, a bit less daisy cutters and less carpet bombing.

When enough fear is driven into people, another 5 Muslim countries got bombed and in the process of being destroyed. Millions are displaced and on the verge of famine; hundreds of thousands dead; and terrorists and warlords rises up all over the place.

Three to four generations of Muslims in the ME are being destroyed right now, as we speak.

But instead of thinking a bit about it, a bit about whether all these are necessary or moral or just... we idiots add more fuel and give our warmongers and merchant of death our permission to go kill people.

Why? How? Because we believe that they're evil. So let's kill all of them before they can kill us.

It's a serious subject. You're not taking it seriously. And unfortunately, if enough people don't take it seriously, innocent people die.

But let say it's a dog eat dog world, kill or be killed. Try and spend a trillion dollar a year on "security" and "defense" and watch how long a country can keep that up before it goes broke.

Britain couldn't maintain their empire; other European powers couldn't keep their colonies; you seriously think the US, our great protector, can do it?

Know what happen when they can't? Another military power rises up and take over. First they'll take their nearby for more living space; then they go a bit further out. Australia is that bit further out noco.

Then what? Go nuclear and we all die?

It's important, need a bit more thinking than simply Muslims being backwards and Christians being noble and awesome.

Luu, I have never been more serious about a sensible debate in my life....I really want to know how a Muslim country could operate in another country as in Australia.

You seem to have taken this as some kind of a joke so you spend 95% of your post on matters happening outside Australia....Another typical diversion by your good self away from the real issue.......Would you please give some reason on how this could possibly work?.....I have made a statement with some of the obstacles that the Mufti would face if he attempted to form an Islamic country in another country.....I plead with you to offer some constructive ideas rather than make a joke of things but you just don't want to commit yourself to anything at all.

Please take things more seriously and refrain from further negative responses.

 

[SirRumpole]

Now... since we agree that warmongers on our side aren't necessarily Christians; why then are their warmongers and terrorists doing what they do because of Islam?

Yeak, ok so we leave them to their own devices, Muslims butchering Muslims, and then they say the West did nothing and doesn't care.

We hear a lot from you about so called Western abuses but very little about what some Muslims are doing to other Muslims, but if you don't care about that, ok then...

 

[luutzu]

Yeak, ok so we leave them to their own devices, Muslims butchering Muslims, and then they say the West did nothing and doesn't care.

We hear a lot from you about so called Western abuses but very little about what some Muslims are doing to other Muslims, but if you don't care about that, ok then...

The West doesn't care. The East doesn't care either. Even the Middle East doesn't care. So are the North and the South.

No body cares for anybody but themselves. And trust me, no imperial, no state power, ever care about another state.

When push come to shove, even Britain doesn't care about its colonies, Australia included.

Here are some stats about the US...

Half of its population are poor; some 30,000 Americans die each year from lack of medical care; Flint, Michigan has lead and polluted drinking water - still do after two years of the public and gov't cannot deny it anymore - there are some 3,000+ cities like Flint or worst.... Some 10 million American kids go to bed hungry...

How is that possible in the richest country in the in history of the world? One that care so much about Muslims and Arabs that it's willing to spend trillions blowing their countries to bits to show it cares.

And let's make this clear... I am not blaming the American people; or the normal citizens of the West. They're as much victims as anyone.

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Do you really need me to tell you how bad some Muslims and terrorists are? It's on TV almost 24/7.

And why do you take what I say as though I'm anti-Western civilisation or anti-Westerners? I am a Westerner by a whole lot of measures. Grew up learning and mingling in it.

Is imperialism a cherished Western values? Killing millions of people who does us no harm, that's a good thing? Starving poor people, cutting basic medicine and so killing some hundreds of thousands of kids and the elderly... those who are already victims of tyrants and dictators, that's a really nice way to hurt the despots?

If we're involve in that kind of war crimes, maybe it's a good thing to stop it.

Isn't that what the best and most noble of Western [and human] values is all about?

 

[noco]

I never said it's a Holy War. To Bush Jr., maybe he sees it as a Holy War. To some in the upper command, maybe they see it as some sort of Christian vs the world kind of war. But it's just simple imperial war for strategic power and riches. Same as it has always been, across all cultures and empires.

I don't use the word Christian to mean that these wars are Christian wars or wars fought by Christians. It's just a description that, in general, the West are known as a Christian civilisation.

I even said elsewhere that if I'm a Christian, I'd be offended by these kind of warmongering in the name of Christianity and its value. For one, I'm pretty sure Jesus Christ wouldn't want this crab.


Now... since we agree that warmongers on our side aren't necessarily Christians; why then are their warmongers and terrorists doing what they do because of Islam?

And stop with that nonsense about good vs evil; law and order vs barbarity; democracy vs women abuse.

You know what a 50mm bullet does to a human head? It blows it clean off.

In an interview with Chris Hedges, he retell a story of a former US Marine witnessing an Iraqi child seeing his father's head blown clean off because his father didn't know there was a random check point the US just set up, thinking it was terrorists and so didn't slow down quick enough.

That's an accident then? We meant well? It's not as bad as ISIS beheading with a knife?

ISIS werne't even there when we went into Iraq. But now we have to stay there to help liberate people from ISIS?

How noble.

There are millions of Muslim/Arab refugees in camps all over the ME. Have we sent in much beside the UN a tent and some blanket?

There are thousands of refugees drowning trying to seek safety. Did we help or we call them all parasites and terrorists?

No, we only help them in their country, where we blow the heck out of it.
So stay home, it's safe... until a stray missile or a terrorist happen to be nearby and they all die together.

It does not really matter whether we are a Christian or a non Christian Australia, the point is we want to live our lives the way we want to and don't need the Koran rammed down our throats 24/7 and that is what it is coming to.

We fought to maintain our freedom in WW1 and WW2 and we will continue to do so.

If we are provoked into war, then we have a right to defend ourselves.....We have been invaded by a group of people who have left their own country of oppression and then when they get here they want to convert us to there oppressive ideas from their own country.

They are creating fear and intimidation into our minds and are quite content to create riots and havoc on our streets.

 

[noco]

The West doesn't care. The East doesn't care either. Even the Middle East doesn't care. So are the North and the South.

No body cares for anybody but themselves. And trust me, no imperial, no state power, ever care about another state.

When push come to shove, even Britain doesn't care about its colonies, Australia included.

Here are some stats about the US...

Half of its population are poor; some 30,000 Americans die each year from lack of medical care; Flint, Michigan has lead and polluted drinking water - still do after two years of the public and gov't cannot deny it anymore - there are some 3,000+ cities like Flint or worst.... Some 10 million American kids go to bed hungry...

How is that possible in the richest country in the in history of the world? One that care so much about Muslims and Arabs that it's willing to spend trillions blowing their countries to bits to show it cares.

And let's make this clear... I am not blaming the American people; or the normal citizens of the West. They're as much victims as anyone.

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Do you really need me to tell you how bad some Muslims and terrorists are? It's on TV almost 24/7.

And why do you take what I say as though I'm anti-Western civilisation or anti-Westerners? I am a Westerner by a whole lot of measures. Grew up learning and mingling in it.

Is imperialism a cherished Western values? Killing millions of people who does us no harm, that's a good thing? Starving poor people, cutting basic medicine and so killing some hundreds of thousands of kids and the elderly... those who are already victims of tyrants and dictators, that's a really nice way to hurt the despots?

If we're involve in that kind of war crimes, maybe it's a good thing to stop it.

Isn't that what the best and most noble of Western [and human] values is all about?

Where is your link to all this waffle about America?.....You don't want to talk about how many kids die every minute from malnutrition or lack of medication in North Africa......Just your leftist anti American BS.

 

[luutzu]

Luu, I have never been more serious about a sensible debate in my life....I really want to know how a Muslim country could operate in another country as in Australia.

You seem to have taken this as some kind of a joke so you spend 95% of your post on matters happening outside Australia....Another typical diversion by your good self away from the real issue.......Would you please give some reason on how this could possibly work?.....I have made a statement with some of the obstacles that the Mufti would face if he attempted to form an Islamic country in another country.....I plead with you to offer some constructive ideas rather than make a joke of things but you just don't want to commit yourself to anything at all.

Please take things more seriously and refrain from further negative responses.

Australia is a multi-cultural country yes? It's a democracy, freedom of speech, freedom to worship, separation of Church from State.

So how in the world do you reckon the Muslims, or any other ethnic/cultural group, could set up their own country within Australia? And that's not mentioning that there's laws against that kind of separatist rebellion against the country.

Are there the Muslim Community? Of course there are. So are other ethnic communities around Australia. Do they teach their faith and culture and language? Sure they do. What's wrong with that?

It's a globalised world, might be useful to have citizens who know a bit or two about other countries and culture beside Australia and British histories alone.

 

[SirRumpole]

Is imperialism a cherished Western values? Killing millions of people who does us no harm, that's a good thing? Starving poor people, cutting basic medicine and so killing some hundreds of thousands of kids and the elderly... those who are already victims of tyrants and dictators, that's a really nice way to hurt the despots?

What's the best way to hurt despots ? They don't care about their own people. If we send food and medicine supplies to their starving they give them to their soldiers instead so they can continue their reigns of terror over their own people and others.

Let's get this straight. THERE IS NO GOOD WAY TO GET RID OF DESPOTS WITHOUT HURTING ANYONE ELSE. Possibly a nuke on their Presidential Palace, but that would violate UN rules and would kill civilians in the process.

If you can work out a good way to get rid of Bashar al Assad please tell the UN . they would be delighted to hear it.

 

[luutzu]

Where is your link to all this waffle about America?.....You don't want to talk about how many kids die every minute from malnutrition or lack of medication in North Africa......Just your leftist anti American BS.

You got the same internet I do, why not look it up and see if I'm lying about those stats.

How am I anti-American?

The stats I quote was about how ordinary Americans are being screwed to death; how that is not right or just for those Americans. So how am I anti American? Because I don't like their gov't lying them into endless wars, sucking the bloody and treasures from the American people to enrich arms merchants?

Maybe an average American would call me a friend.