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So the Adani coal mine is "chump change " Wayne? One of the biggest new coal mines in the world being proposed isn't significant ?
Hardly...
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...s35UQ2Hawhmhc19GOhJC4x1kvZoO7_vouhRWcXtGcE-lM

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India has cancelled plans to build nearly 14 gigawatts of coal-fired power stations – about the same as the total amount in the UK – with the price for solar electricity “free falling” to levels once considered impossible.

Analyst Tim Buckley said the shift away from the dirtiest fossil fuel and towards solar in India would have “profound” implications on global energy markets."
 
If we wanted to tackle global heating/ land degradation/ better farming cost effectively then this well proven process should storm the world.

The trouble of course is that it doesn't seem to make anyone particularly rich. It just works very well..

Reforesting the world: the Australian farmer with 240m trees to his name
Tony Rinaudo’s regeneration technique, developed in west Africa 30 years ago, has helped bring back forest over 6m hectares

Ben Doherty in Katowice, Poland


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Fri 14 Dec 2018 10.17 AEDT

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Australian farmer Tony Rinaudo discovered a solution to restoring trees in Africa’s Sahel region affected by extreme deforestation. Photograph: Silas Koch/World Vision
Through the cacophony of the UN’s global climate talks, an Australian farmer is quietly spreading his plan to reforest the world.

Over more than 30 years in west Africa, Tony Rinaudo has regenerated more than 6m hectares – an area nearly as large as Tasmania. His farmer-managed natural regeneration technique is responsible for 240m trees regrowing across that parched continent.

But it very nearly never happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/14/reforesting-world-australian-farmer-240m-trees
 
luutzu said:
Sifu's reason will be that whoever burn it, own it.
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That concept seems pretty well accepted in the whole debate.

The emissions from my car are Australian emissions, they're not "owned' by someone in the Middle East who extracted the fuel.
 
Smurf1976 said:
That concept seems pretty well accepted in the whole debate.

The emissions from my car are Australian emissions, they're not "owned' by someone in the Middle East who extracted the fuel.
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Some on the Left expect Australia to "own" the emissions of our coal sold to India , China etc.
 
It's complicated isn't it ? Perhaps the clearest statement is that we know that burning coal will create even more GG that will accelerate global heating. That is quite apart from the air pollution, use of water resources in power plants and damage to the environment from the mining practices.

The Adani mine will be one of the biggest mines around. It will cause direct significant damage to our own environment (Great Barrier Reef) as well as potentially fueling coal fired power stations. It also ends the message that Australia isn't serious about moving to a clean energy future.

The issue of who "owns" emissions is always complicated. Our production of fossil fuels does mean we are responsible for their emissions. But in the end we will all suffer the consequences of global heating.
 
Smurf1976 said:
That concept seems pretty well accepted in the whole debate.

The emissions from my car are Australian emissions, they're not "owned' by someone in the Middle East who extracted the fuel.
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That's the same thing my local drug pusher said :D
 
SirRumpole said:
Some on the Left expect Australia to "own" the emissions of our coal sold to India , China etc.
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Not trying to be on some sort of moral high ground, me being a capitalist and all :D... but from the perspective of, say, a moral impartial judge deciding whose hands bloody.. it's not just the guys who import the stuff right?

Either way, we're all going to pay the price anyway. Well, maybe the poor now... all the grandkids will, soon enough.
 
basilio said:
It also ends the message that Australia isn't serious about moving to a clean energy future.
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It can all be summed up in one word. "Globalisation".

We dumped manufacturing and science based things in favour of exporting coal, gas and "education", the latter being substantially a code word for "immigration" in practice.

So we've very heavily tied our economy to growth and CO2 emissions. Therein lies the dilemma.

Generating electricity for Australian use is the relatively easy bit. Replacing the economic role of fossil fuel exports and population growth is a much bigger challenge. :2twocents
 
We need a new story don't we?

Frankly I can easily see new economic opportunities from massive changes in economic direction.
Examples
1) Developing a hydrogen economy based on solar energy production. This includes export of hydrogen.
2) Massive overhaul of energy production to create a clean renewable energy economy
3) Reviewing much of our consumption behaviour and creating new incentives for quality, recyclable long life products vs short term promotion of tat.
4) Looking at massive land regeneration projects to protect and expand current bio-systems
5) Focusing attention on improving the energy and resource efficiency of our current infrastructure
6) Tackling the mountains of waste and pollution we have already created and effectively dealing them. Start with the sea of plastics.
7) Having long, hard, uncomfortable look at what the known effects of global heating will be and attempting to strengthen our infrastructure to deal with the inevitable.
 
basilio said:
We need a new story don't we?

Frankly I can easily see new economic opportunities from massive changes in economic direction.
Examples
1) Developing a hydrogen economy based on solar energy production. This includes export of hydrogen.
2) Massive overhaul of energy production to create a clean renewable energy economy
3) Reviewing much of our consumption behaviour and creating new incentives for quality, recyclable long life products vs short term promotion of tat.
4) Looking at massive land regeneration projects to protect and expand current bio-systems
5) Focusing attention on improving the energy and resource efficiency of our current infrastructure
6) Tackling the mountains of waste and pollution we have already created and effectively dealing them. Start with the sea of plastics.
7) Having long, hard, uncomfortable look at what the known effects of global heating will be and attempting to strengthen our infrastructure to deal with the inevitable.
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All of the above should be done.

I can't see it happening while our political parties are only interested in winning elections by handing over the capital needed to do such things as tax cuts mainly to people who don't need them.

There don't seem to be any visionaries around in politics these days. They would be suffocated by the spin doctors and factional warlords in all the parties.
 
We are breaking the record for ice melt in the Antarctic seas which was broken the year before.
It is really strange and no one really seems to know why, it was not that long ago that there was extra ice than previous years. The cause seems to be warm air coming down but why is this occurring? The scientists all seem to be at a loss and don't seem to have any theories to explain it.
We shouldn't jump to conclusions. It could easily reverse next year imo. I hope so.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ Click on a picture and scroll using the right arrow to see the Antarctic satellite measurements.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...out-why/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.706804b2c64f
 
basilio said:
And the heatwave is not just in Tennant Creek....
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Whilst I do agree with the general observation that the climate is changing, prior to this current heatwave I was thinking that the media is going overboard. Whilst legitimate as such, the recent heat hasn't really changed that thought.

In just the past 15 or so weeks there has according to the media been a devastating drought which affected most of the country, widespread flooding, several "super cell" storms and Sydney has been "smashed" twice and that was before the recent hail storm.

Now as I said I do accept the notion of climate change but some of the media reporting is getting over the top. I don't pay to read anything put out by News Corp but they're pushing this like their life depends on it. Every few days there's another "smashing" event or similar.

Maybe it's just me but I've never been keen on sensationalism. Just report the facts - yes there's weather, yes the climate changes but Sydney isn't in ruins just yet.

My cat has not read about this "smashing" and also hasn't read any guides on how to survive a heatwave. Despite the thermometer at home recording 45.0 degrees yesterday, and whilst it's not a calibrated device it's in the shade etc so should be reasonably accurate, and despite the cat being mostly unfamiliar with the concept of hot weather due to having lived all of her life in Tasmania prior to moving to SA, she worked it out quite easily. Drink plenty of water, sit on the concrete in the shade, that's it really. Go inside if she gets too hot although she was more interested in watching me sweating it out cutting up a fallen tree branch.

So yes I do "get it" about the issue but I also think the media's going too far. An aspect of real concern there being the "boy who cried wolf" scenario. Keep telling everyone that half the country's about to burn to the ground on a pretty normal hot day and I'll give you one firm guarantee - pretty much nobody will heed a genuinely catastrophic danger when it does arise due to too many false scares. :2twocents
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Yeah and under the current environment with the Libs they want you to fly into the Pilbara on $ 45 flat an hour and wonder why they can’t get anyone
Leave your family for weeks on end in trying conditions on **** money
Then scream they can’t get labour
3 weeks ago at Mesa J it was 37 degrees at 5 in the morning
Give 14 shifts at 14 hours a shift a go and see how your sailing when you get home
W@nkers
 
A friend of mine is usually spending xmas by some relative in Adelaide and for as far as i can remember, has been swearing at around 45c every year.i agree with @Smurf that catastrophic headlines are not only misleading but a danger.not denying climate change or its human cause but the brain washing attached os becominn unbearable to any independent thinker.but i appreciate one quote from Basilio
"7) Having long, hard, uncomfortable look at what the known effects of global heating will be and attempting to strengthen our infrastructure to deal with the inevitable."
Please note "inevitable"
"We" can do a little bit but when world population increase yearly by 84 millions, our leaders should have the obligation to go into remediation mode.and invest as such.
for the root cause
giving free birth control to india or PC forgive me Indonesia,
Africa or Middle east would do more to reduce global warming than any protest against Adani.
Not that i like these crooks either but i wish the Green were actually more into saving the planet than sticking to far left agendas.
Now for the backlash...
 

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