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farmerge said:
Perhaps the chooks have gone off the lay because it's winter and cold over their.!!!!
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i see some speculation about a commercial food company that changed the ingredients , a cold winter maybe partly to blame though ( you would have to ask the free-range folks for a second opinion )
 
JohnDe said:
People of first world countries have no idea what ‘food scarcity’ is.

I grew up in a time when food was seasonal. Winter vegetables only came out during the cooler months, spring vegetables in the warmer months. Eggs were more abundant at a certain point of the year, like some meats and fish.

Now we have any vegetable, meat, cheeses and preserves at any time we want it.

To see people and media complain about an egg shortage is laughable.
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Will be even worse if the fights start again over a carton of eggs, as per toilet paper a while ago.
 
farmerge said:
Chalk and cheese with those two type of producers. Free range will always be the best.
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those who housed the fowl in sheds and small yards complained about egg production until they changed food supplier , BUT the could also have had a seasonal factor , it might be coincidence , but the free-range folk would be the perfect 'placebo group ' where the seasons affected everybody equally .

if the free-change folk noticed nothing unusual , then differences in food supplier theory can be tested more carefully
 
farmerge said:
Plenty of eggs for sale on the roadside stalls around here. $6 a dozen.
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Good evening farmerge
As a kid, used ta eat eggs outta chicken coup raw, straight up, crack open then in the gob and straight down the hatch … made rcw1 big and strong like a bull …

Much prefer eggs poached these days. Gone soft … Ha ha ha ha

Egg are good. Nothing better than a feed of fresh googy eggs. Cannot remember last time bought eggs from the shop.


Kind regards
rcw1
 
rcw1 said:
As a kid, used ta eat eggs outta chicken coup raw, straight up, crack open then in the gob and straight down the hatch … made rcw1 big and strong like a bull …
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Bulls don’t eat eggs, they are vegan, Maybe say “Made you big and strong like a weasel” because weasels love raiding chicken coups for eggs a lot more than Bulls do ?
 
rcw1 said:
Good evening farmerge
As a kid, used ta eat eggs outta chicken coup raw, straight up, crack open then in the gob and straight down the hatch … made rcw1 big and strong like a bull …

Much prefer eggs poached these days. Gone soft … Ha ha ha ha

Egg are good. Nothing better than a feed of fresh googy eggs. Cannot remember last time bought eggs from the shop.


Kind regards
rcw1
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rcw that's the way. nothing backward about you.
Same as you though not eating them raw like that, but can't remember when shop eggs were brought into this household. These days the number of people that I work for have a plentiful supply, so need for us to have any poultry on the farm. In the end the foxes cleaned the last of them out some time ago.
 
Value Collector said:
Bulls don’t eat eggs, they are vegan, Maybe say “Made you big and strong like a weasel” because weasels love raiding chicken coups for eggs a lot more than Bulls do ?
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Sorry to say Mr Value but you are total y incorrect.
Cattle love eggs.
I have a lick roller that we put a couple of eggs into beaten up of course. They then just lick the roller to get a bit of the cackleberry. makes their coats really shine.
Makes them look a million dollars when being presented at the sales when we enter one.
 
farmerge said:
Sorry to say Mr Value but you are total y incorrect.
Cattle love eggs.
I have a lick roller that we put a couple of eggs into beaten up of course. They then just lick the roller to get a bit of the cackleberry. makes their coats really shine.
Makes them look a million dollars when being presented at the sales when we enter one.
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Hahaha, I don’t think that really counts, eggs are definitely not a natural part of the Bovine diet, and would be tiny in your cattle’s over all intake. A horse I knew used to love sugar cubes, but saying “I eat sugar cubes so I can be as strong as a stallion” would be a bit silly, because obviously the Horses main strength is derived from the grass and oats it eats, not the sugar treats.

What percentage of your cattle’s protein intake comes from eggs? Probably less than 0.0001% I would assume.

The point I was trying to make, if you can read between the lines, is that often people use Vegan animals as symbols of strength eg, Bulls, Ox, Horses, Rhinos, Gorillas etc etc. but often seem to forget that these animals main source of their nutrition is plants, but when it comes to their own diet they forget about the plant based protein and focus on the more heavily marketed animal products.
 
Value Collector said:
Hahaha, I don’t think that really counts, eggs are definitely not a natural part of the Bovine diet, and would be tiny in your cattle’s over all intake. A horse I knew used to love sugar cubes, but saying “I eat sugar cubes so I can be as strong as a stallion” would be a bit silly, because obviously the Horses main strength is derived from the grass and oats it eats, not the sugar treats.

What percentage of your cattle’s protein intake comes from eggs? Probably less than 0.0001% I would assume.

The point I was trying to make, if you can read between the lines, is that often people use Vegan animals as symbols of strength eg, Bulls, Ox, Horses, Rhinos, Gorillas etc etc. but often seem to forget that these animals main source of their nutrition is plants, but when it comes to their own diet they forget about the plant based protein and focus on the more heavily marketed animal products.
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Yeah Mr Value partially correct. MY bovines get fed haps of fruit so the sugar fix is well and truly ingrained in them. Best tasting meat ever.
Cattle also like to if allowed chew on bones. Not a good thing but not always possible to get everyone of them off the paddock before they find one.
 
farmerge said:
Yeah Mr Value partially correct. MY bovines get fed haps of fruit so the sugar fix is well and truly ingrained in them. Best tasting meat ever.
Cattle also like to if allowed chew on bones. Not a good thing but not always possible to get everyone of them off the paddock before they find one.
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depends on what the bones belong to ( cattle duffers , foxes , etc etc )
 
divs4ever said:
depends on what the bones belong to ( cattle duffers , foxes , etc etc )
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usually roos. The roo shooter has his spots so he can have a ping at any dogs and foxes. have a small enclosure for that but quite cattle proof. They usually won't go anywhere near an area that has bllod on the ground.
 
porkers were the big trouble where i was once ,
big momma was an easy 300 lbs ( she was still alive when i left despite several attempts , by several ) , i got one of the youngsters about 150 lb boar
 
farmerge said:
Yeah Mr Value partially correct. MY bovines get fed haps of fruit so the sugar fix is well and truly ingrained in them. Best tasting meat ever.
Cattle also like to if allowed chew on bones. Not a good thing but not always possible to get everyone of them off the paddock before they find one.
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Fruit is Vegan.

As far as cattle chewing bones goes, that’s usually related to them having a phosphorus deficiency, caused by a lack of phosphorus in the soil. That is caused by two things, phosphorus being depleted from the soil by over farming/crazing in the past and secondly grazing cattle on land which is naturally deficient in phosphorus such as large parts of Australia. eg not suitable for large contained herds of cattle that didn’t evolve on this continent.

In nature herds of cattle and other mammals graze over vast distances, containing a large herd on one block for years on end is not normal, hence why soil gets depleted and the plants have reduced phosphorus content.

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Value Collector said:
Fruit is Vegan.

As far as cattle chewing bones goes, that’s usually related to them having a phosphorus deficiency, caused by a lack of phosphorus in the soil. That is caused by two things, phosphorus being depleted from the soil by over farming/crazing in the past and secondly grazing cattle on land which is naturally deficient in phosphorus such as large parts of Australia. eg not suitable for large contained herds of cattle that didn’t evolve on this continent.

In nature herds of cattle and other mammals graze over vast distances, containing a large herd on one block for years on end is not normal, hence why soil gets depleted and the plants have reduced phosphorus content.

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Thanks for the history lesson, but our cattle are rotated around several paddocks and all of the paddocks have all the necessary ferti;iser ingredients applied each year.
I think I will our opposing conversation here. I know what is good and bad when it comes to my livestock and farmland.
 
farmerge said:
Thanks for the history lesson, but our cattle are rotated around several paddocks and all of the paddocks have all the necessary ferti;iser ingredients applied each year.
I think I will our opposing conversation here. I know what is good and bad when it comes to my livestock and farmland.
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I am not saying you are doing anything wrong or different than every other cattle farmer, I am just saying that a reason your cattle are chewing bones sometimes is not because it’s natural behaviour and therefore evidence that cattle aren’t natural vegan/herbivores, but rather because the way humans farm cattle is un-natural so these sorts of un-natural behaviours can come about, sometimes in extreme situations of deficiency cattle have been known to eat dirt.

Rotating paddocks is not really the same as a herding roaming over hundreds of kilometres as the wild herds do. Especially in Australia where neither the cattle or the grasses they feed on are native to our low nutrient soil.

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But, yeah my original point was just that bulls/cattle are vegan, you mentioned you feed the egg and some times they chew bones, all I am pointing out is that neither is normal natural behaviour, but rather a side effect of the un-natural situations we raise them in.
 
Value Collector said:
I am not saying you are doing anything wrong or different than every other cattle farmer, I am just saying that a reason your cattle are chewing bones sometimes is not because it’s natural behaviour and therefore evidence that cattle aren’t natural vegan/herbivores, but rather because the way humans farm cattle is un-natural so these sorts of un-natural behaviours can come about, sometimes in extreme situations of deficiency cattle have been known to eat dirt.

Rotating paddocks is not really the same as a herding roaming over hundreds of kilometres as the wild herds do. Especially in Australia where neither the cattle or the grasses they feed on are native to our low nutrient soil.

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But, yeah my original point was just that bulls/cattle are vegan, you mentioned you feed the egg and some times they chew bones, all I am pointing out is that neither is normal natural behaviour, but rather a side effect of the un-natural situations we raise them in.
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You should take what you read on the internet with a dose of salt VC.

'nuff said?
 
wayneL said:
You should take what you read on the internet with a dose of salt VC.

'nuff said?
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My Uncle is a dairy farmer, had quite a few conversations about phosphorus and magnesium deficiency in cattle.

But there is plenty of credible industry and government sources discussing that you can find on the internet that are worth more than a dose of salt.

Here is a link if you care to read a bit more about bone chewing and phosphorus deficiency.

https://futurebeef.com.au/resources/phosphorus-supplementation-of-cattle-in-northern-australia/


Or if you prefer the CSIRO, here is a study on the topic.

https://era.daf.qld.gov.au/id/eprint/6251/1/AN17251.pdf
 
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