Food scarcity

[mullokintyre]

Really? on many levels, Really?

You know for a fact that all my friends are "upmarket." And you know the reasons why my friends & I avoid animal milk?

To help you out -

In some parts of the world animal mild is not a big part of an adult's diet. I have friends that have not grown-up drinking milk.​

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Some of my friends and family have become lactose intolerant.​

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I, as mentioned previously, have Crohn's, and milk is one of the foods that sets it off for me.​

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A few friends are trying to lose weight and have chosen to drop some foods and keep others. Cow's milk was their choice because they still like to have a beer with mates.​

Those "millions more people" are not all able to take milk, not everyone is tolerant to it.

Are you suggesting that governments pay to transport the milk to countries with "starving children"?

If so how, by refrigerated ships, planes? Or by processing the milk into a long-life milk, or cheeses?

Have you not heard of powdered milk?
Have you never heard of long life milk that does not need refrigeration?
In some countries, that and the powdered milk are all they can get.
Have you never heard of infant formula milk?

Except for those who adhere to Buddism, Ethical considerations about the treatment or exploitation of animals is a largely a first world issue.

And if you are suggesting that, can you tell us who will pay for the processes?

Are you happy for a tax on all peoples from wealthy countries like Australia?

You and your friends are upmarket purely on the strength of having large numbers of choices, and being able to act on those choices.
Poorer societies have little choice, and even less chance of acting on those choices.
Like many in Australia, you have absolutely no ide how lucky we all are.
mick

 

[JohnDe]

Have you not heard of powdered milk?
Have you never heard of long life milk that does not need refrigeration?
In some countries, that and the powdered milk are all they can get.
Have you never heard of infant formula milk?

Are you suggesting that governments pay to process the milk? Are you happy for wealthy countries like Australia to tax everyone that is earning an income so as to pay for the processing?

 

[JohnDe]

Except for those who adhere to Buddism, Ethical considerations about the treatment or exploitation of animals is a largely a first world issue.

You and your friends are upmarket purely on the strength of having large numbers of choices, and being able to act on those choices.
Poorer societies have little choice, and even less chance of acting on those choices.
Like many in Australia, you have absolutely no ide how lucky we all are.
mick

You are ignorant, because you choose to ignore anything that is not within your own circle of tolerance.

Not all my friends have an income, some are on a disability pension, one suffers from severe bipolar disorder and is lactose intolerant & did not choose this lifestyle.

 

[InsvestoBoy]

Only a stupid burecrat could even contemplate something like that.
Dairy farming is not like making widgets where you can easily control your output.
I run the widget machine to produce exactly 110 widgets as per my quota, then I can turn it off.
The cows have to be milked, whether there is a quota or not.
If its really cold or really hot production goes down, if grain is cheap and they can supplement the feed production goes up, and conversely it goes down if grain prices are high and they can't feed supplements.
If the they get sickness in the herd, or some heifers don't get in calf, production goes down.
If all the ducks line up, production goes up.
On the months when production is down and they don't make quota, the government does not cover it.
Quotas, its the sort of bull**** that the EU brought in in the 70's which resulted in butter mountains.
Mick

Having researched the history of US regulation and subsidy of corn markets in the past, I had a strong suspicion that your post is wrong, it took me about 30 seconds to google my way to verifying that this concept was instituted by the Canadian government at the behest of the countries largest lobbying body, dairy farmers.

So it wasn't a "burecrat" who contemplated it, it was dairy farmers themselves who perverted the Government to support their industry during a deflationary bust.

 

[mullokintyre]

Having researched the history of US regulation and subsidy of corn markets in the past, I had a strong suspicion that your post is wrong, it took me about 30 seconds to google my way to verifying that this concept was instituted by the Canadian government at the behest of the countries largest lobbying body, dairy farmers.

So it wasn't a "burecrat" who contemplated it, it was dairy farmers themselves who perverted the Government to support their industry during a deflationary bust.

Another off topic rant, but seeing as you insisted on sonny.
Farmers may have pushed for it, but it was designed by bureacrats and is maintained by the bureacrats of the Canadian Dairy Comission. a Canadian government controlled body.

 

[mullokintyre]

You are ignorant, because you choose to ignore anything that is not within your own circle of tolerance.

Not all my friends have an income, some are on a disability pension, one suffers from severe bipolar disorder and is lactose intolerant & did not choose this lifestyle.

I have worked as volunteer in Africa, Indonesia and various countries in the pacific.
I have seen wretched poverty first hand like you would not believe or even contemplate.
None of them chose their lifestyle either, but unlike Australia, they have less than zero chance of getting basic needs, much less treatment, support or social services.
And you call me ignorant.
Mick

 

[JohnDe]

I have worked as volunteer in Africa, Indonesia and various countries in the pacific.
I have seen wretched poverty first hand like you would not believe or even contemplate.
None of them chose their lifestyle either, but unlike Australia, they have less than zero chance of getting basic needs, much less treatment, support or social services.
And you call me ignorant.
Mick

don't bring that old argument to the discussion. You have no idea about my life or my friends.

 

[JohnDe]

Having researched the history of US regulation and subsidy of corn markets in the past, I had a strong suspicion that your post is wrong, it took me about 30 seconds to google my way to verifying that this concept was instituted by the Canadian government at the behest of the countries largest lobbying body, dairy farmers.

So it wasn't a "burecrat" who contemplated it, it was dairy farmers themselves who perverted the Government to support their industry during a deflationary bust.

Please don’t let facts & research get in the way of a good story ?

 

[mullokintyre]

Please don’t let facts & research get in the way of a good story ?

Of course, the good story.
I wrote about the waste of milk in a forum about food scarcity.
You, Value collector and the investor kid went off on tangents, about whose fault it was, whether plants make better milk and whether people who can make lifestyle choices are better etc etc.
I should not have bothered responding to the off topic drivel, I am now extremely sorry I did, and apologise to other forumites.
The original point still stands.
In a world where food scarcity is becoming a problem, first world countries think this is ok.
I am ceasing further comment.
Mick

 

[wayneL]

I just wanna know why the egg shelves are always empty.

 

[mullokintyre]

I just wanna know why the egg shelves are always empty.

They are still trying to train the chooks to lay in them.
mick

 

[JohnDe]

Of course, the good story.
I wrote about the waste of milk in a forum about food scarcity.
You, Value collector and the investor kid went off on tangents, about whose fault it was, whether plants make better milk and whether people who can make lifestyle choices are better etc etc.
I should not have bothered responding to the off topic drivel, I am now extremely sorry I did, and apologise to other forumites.
The original point still stands.
In a world where food scarcity is becoming a problem, first world countries think this is ok.
I am ceasing further comment.
Mick

Show my posts that I went off. Bet you can’t.

 

[Value Collector]

You are the one who brought up plant based milk not me.
The thread is about food scarcity.
One dairy farmer chucking out 30,000 litres of milk is a major problem.
Its not the fact thats its dairy , its the fact that it is wasted is the issue.

Another straw man argument.
Name me one poor society that crushes almonds to make milk.

Once again, this is irrelevant to the original point about food scarcity.
But since you bought it up, Thailand like a lot of other hot humid countries is largely unsuited to dairy cows, so historically these societies were not brought up on it.
Mick

I was responding to you, you said almond milk shouldn’t be called milk, you also were suggesting that plant based mills weee a rich person thing.

 

[Value Collector]

Have you not heard of powdered milk?
Have you never heard of long life milk that does not need refrigeration?
In some countries, that and the powdered milk are all they can get.
Have you never heard of infant formula milk?

Except for those who adhere to Buddism, Ethical considerations about the treatment or exploitation of animals is a largely a first world issue.


You and your friends are upmarket purely on the strength of having large numbers of choices, and being able to act on those choices.
Poorer societies have little choice, and even less chance of acting on those choices.
Like many in Australia, you have absolutely no ide how lucky we all are.
mick

Both powdered and long life milk rely on a processing plant having enough capacity to process the fresh milk within a short period of it being produced.

I am guessing if Canada has production limits they don’t have a lot of spare processing capacity.

Remember during covid potato farmers had to destroy 1000’s of tonnes of potato because of slight differences in demand of packaging types.

If the industry is not set up for a certain type of production there is much they can do in the short term to change.

 

[Value Collector]

Still don't understand
(a) how they get the teat cups on an almond,
(b) how they can call the stuff milk. Its almond juice.
Mick

Here is your original post I was responding to that you seem to have forgotten you made.

Go back to this post and then read my comments to you in order and you will understand the context of my replies.

 

[frugal.rock]

I just wanna know why the egg shelves are always empty.

Because the chicken crossed the road...

 

[JohnDe]

I have a feeling that the % of milk sales will drop over the coming decades, caused by competition from plant-based replacement and health changes,

Not many of my friends use milk in the same quantities as they did when younger, I dropped it due to being diagnosed with Crohn's, and changed to Almond milk, though I still partake in eating cheese.

By coincidence, my gym sent out its monthly magazine and this was in it today -

 

[wayneL]

I gather people of African heritage are much more likely to be lactose intolerant. Can't remember the percentage, but it's the majority, depending in precise ethnic group... 70% or more in general.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Because the chicken crossed the road...

Which came first? The chicken or the road?

P.S. chickens tend to be duplicitous b*steds, in my experience

 

[JohnDe]

I gather people of African heritage are much more likely to be lactose intolerant. Can't remember the percentage, but it's the majority, depending in precise ethnic group... 70% or more in general.