Food scarcity

[rcm617]

Correct, it highlights the stupidity of people making decisions in Canberra who have little interest in or understanding of farming practices.
From Rice growers Australia

Rice has generally been grown only in those years when water sales are abundant and hence cheap.
Extremely low water allocation 2007 to 2010 saw almost no rice produced, as were the recent years 2018 2019.
The extremely wet years since then have seen rice production grow to 400,000 tonnes in 2020, 677 tonnes in 2022, and 655 in 2023.
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Because rice is an annual crop, farmers can shift in and out of production as water costs rise and fall.
One of the other big growth areas, almond production, needs about 14 ML per hectare during the gowing season, most of which is provided by irrigation. Because they are perennial, they must be irrigated even in years when water is extremely scarce, otherwise the trees die.
From NSW DPI
And the growth in coprate Almond plantings has been phenomenal, and is projected to keep growing.

In 2020, temporary water was changing hands for 900 megalitre.
At those prices, very few rice growers would have been profitably growing rice.
For the almond growers, there was no choice.
It is impossible to get a handle on where all these almonds are going, but a good percentage is going into almond milk.
Not sure how many people will starve if almond milk disappears, but there might be a few if rice disappears.
Mick

According to the Sunrice submission once the price of water goes above 150 to 200 per ML rice growing in the Murray and Murrumbidgee systems is uneconomic. With the new buybacks that will be 8 out of 10 years.

 

[mullokintyre]

Best you then make a Life on Betting on Rice

Yeah, but at least I will have a life.
mick

 

[farmerge]

According to the Sunrice submission once the price of water goes above 150 to 200 per ML rice growing in the Murray and Murrumbidgee systems is uneconomic. With the new buybacks that will be 8 out of 10 years.

And then there is Ord scheme in the top end of WA. This should be the food bowl . What haven't they tried to grow up there. Virtually everything but with limited success. Wrong crops trialed and as usual it was a failure. Unfortunatelu limited foresight was available from those suppossedly in the know.

 

[divs4ever]

maybe they should have tried yams , but of course big money only seems to think exports ...

 

[macca]

Chia and sandalwood are what they were growing last time I was there.

Booming place around 2018, they were expanding the area being irrigated to grow more.

Made a few early mistakes but very positive vibes now

 

[divs4ever]

Chia and sandalwood are what they were growing last time I was there.

Booming place around 2018, they were expanding the area being irrigated to grow more.

Made a few early mistakes but very positive vibes now

having been singed by the sandalwood ( my fault they raised enough red flags , telling me to dump and take the profit however tiny it would have been ) , will not be keen to touch anything to do with the old TFS/QIN

when you see 'brand ambassadors' ( sporting or TV stars ) run like hell !

 

[Value Collector]

having been singed by the sandalwood ( my fault they raised enough red flags , telling me to dump and take the profit however tiny it would have been ) , will not be keen to touch anything to do with the old TFS/QIN

when you see 'brand ambassadors' ( sporting or TV stars ) run like hell !

I made a decent profit off TFS a while back, only held it for 6 months though and haven’t followed it since.

How did you get burnt?

 

[Value Collector]

Chia and sandalwood are what they were growing last time I was there.

Booming place around 2018, they were expanding the area being irrigated to grow more.

Made a few early mistakes but very positive vibes now

I was thinking a little while ago they should grow palm oil up there, I think the latitude is right, and it’s more sustainable than the current places they grow it.

I am no farmer though, so don’t know if it’s viable.

 

[divs4ever]

I made a decent profit off TFS a while back, only held it for 6 months though and haven’t followed it since.

How did you get burnt?

held it too long rebranded itself to QIN and into administration , the losses were minimal as i had taken profit as TFS but i saw the red flags and didn't move quickly enough went from selling sandalwood to turning the oil into a therapeutic oil and straight into the regulatory ( and R&D ) abyss ,

more annoyed that it triggered the red flags and i moved too slow

 

[moXJO]

more annoyed that it triggered the red flags and i moved too slow

I've done the same with a few stocks.
More often then not I was too lazy to sell one week and it dumped literally 1 week later.
All this despite knowing it was time to sell

 

[Craton]

Re. so called Indian rice ban .USDA 31 Aug 2023

As seen for awhile now, many sources were reporting on this so we have been stocking up on our much enjoyed rice varieties.

From time to time we've not been able to buy Aborio or Black rice but Basmati was mostly always available. Why, I asked myself and hence found that Basmati is not on the Indian export ban.

Article in part reads:

India’s rice export restrictions need multilateral solutions​

18 October 2023
Author: Jose Ma Luis Montesclaros, NTU
Much criticism has been levelled against India’s July 2023 decision to ‘ban’ non-basmati rice exports, which previously made up a third of its milled rice exports. Critics have further argued that the move by India, as the world’s largest rice exporter, could damage its claim to lead the Global South, falling far from its promises to address global food challenges under its 2023 G20 presidency.

I also noted the ongoing and unresolved Australian rice growing and water fiasco and of course, this didn't bode well for grower or consumer. To me at least, this was just one more harbinger adding to a rising inflation scenario. An obvious sign as to the direction of the RBA interest rate lever.

Ord River Project. Latest assessment for agriculture release.

Ord River Irrigation Expansion: Goomig Farmlands, Western Australia​

Page last updated: Monday, 23 October 2023 - 10:51am



The Department of Agriculture and Food, Western Australia (now the Department of Primary Industries and Regional Development) assessed soil, groundwater and surface water in the Goomig Farmlands (weaber Plains in Western Australia’s Kimberley region.
The assessments – started in 2010 – have been used to help choose areas of land to release for agriculture. Management plans to sustain the farmland and wider environment in the long term. Infrastructure works were completed late in 2013.

From a past articel re. Rice in the Ord.
Potential for higher yields than the Riverina but prone to issues from climate, disease and fauna.

Rice in the Ord: Opportunities and threats
Siva Sivapalan

Frank Wise Institute of Tropical Agriculture, Department of Agriculture and Food, Durack Drive, Kununurra, WA 6743. www.agric.wa.gov.au Email siva.sivapalan@agric.wa.gov.au

Abstract

Suitable soil types, a warmer climate, and availability of irrigation water make the Ord Valley ideal for growing rice. Potential yields up to 13.6 t/ha have been demonstrated in this environment. Ten years of drought in NSW and record prices of $450/t in 2009 and $550/t in 2010 recreated interests in growing rice in the Ord Valley. Currently there are opportunities to export rice from the region, through the upgraded Wyndham Port facility, leading to a higher return for rice growers in the region. Recently, about 15,000 hectares of new lands suitable for irrigated agriculture became available in the Ord Valley. The two major soil types present in the Ord Valley have high clay content and are ideally suited to rice cultivation. However, risks such as blast disease and cold damage to commercial rice crops have been identified. Research efforts are continuing at Frank Wise Institute of Tropical Agriculture to identify suitable varieties and management practices for a profitable rice-based farming system in the Ord valley.

I understand that new rice varieties are currently being trialled.
Still, it's good to see that progress, however slow is being made on this (in)famous project.

 

[farmerge]

Re. so called Indian rice ban .USDA 31 Aug 2023

As seen for awhile now, many sources were reporting on this so we have been stocking up on our much enjoyed rice varieties.

From time to time we've not been able to buy Aborio or Black rice but Basmati was mostly always available. Why, I asked myself and hence found that Basmati is not on the Indian export ban.

Article in part reads:


I also noted the ongoing and unresolved Australian rice growing and water fiasco and of course, this didn't bode well for grower or consumer. To me at least, this was just one more harbinger adding to a rising inflation scenario. An obvious sign as to the direction of the RBA interest rate lever.

Ord River Project. Latest assessment for agriculture release.



From a past articel re. Rice in the Ord.
Potential for higher yields than the Riverina but prone to issues from climate, disease and fauna.


I understand that new rice varieties are currently being trialled.
Still, it's good to see that progress, however slow is being made on this (in)famous project.

The Ord should be the food bowl of Australia and perhaps Asia. Virtually unlimited water and extremely good soil. Just needs a Govt body with some foresight.

 

[divs4ever]

The Ord should be the food bowl of Australia and perhaps Asia. Virtually unlimited water and extremely good soil. Just needs a Govt body with some foresight.

that's like wishing for a unicorn with wings and doesn't f**t

governments for decades only look as far as the next election

however i do hold GNC and SGLLV RFF and D2O ( and SHV ) i am not completely pessimistic about the farmers and growers ..

but Canberra i reckon could be better used as BIG solar farm with mushrooms growing under the solar panels ( plenty of historic BS to keep the mushrooms happy )

 

[farmerge]

that's like wishing for a unicorn with wings and doesn't f**t

governments for decades only look as far as the next election

however i do hold GNC and SGLLV RFF and D2O ( and SHV ) i am not completely pessimistic about the farmers and growers ..

but Canberra i reckon could be better used as BIG solar farm with mushrooms growing under the solar panels ( plenty of historic BS to keep the mushrooms happy )

Ah divs you forgot to menton all the hot air. Mushrooms love humid conditions

 

[divs4ever]

Ah divs you forgot to menton all the hot air. Mushrooms love humid conditions

yes i know , i am eating them fresh from the paddocks in recent weeks ( no torturous adventures in Woolworths needed .. and no cash parted with either )

 

[farmerge]

yes i know , i am eating them fresh from the paddocks in recent weeks ( no torturous adventures in Woolworths needed .. and no cash parted with either )

And at least you know where and how they were grown.

 

[qldfrog]

And at least you know where and how they were grown.

You just do not know what they are

Magic mushrooms.....

 

[divs4ever]

You just do not know what they are

Magic mushrooms.....

apart from the rare toadstool ( and puffball ) all standard stuff smaller, fresher versions of what you buy in the supermarket ( grown in the paddock so you have to get them before the next rain ) have lived in rural areas before , and they haven't sent me tripping yet

free and edible are magic enough for me

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Eating wild mushrooms: It’s never worth the risk

With the recent wet weather providing optimal growing conditions for wild mushrooms, the NSW PoisonsInformation Centre is warning people to avoid ingesting the potentially fatal fungi.
From 1 January to 3 March this year, the NSW Poisons Information Centre received 73 calls regarding mushroom exposures. Of these 73 calls, 45 were accidental exposures, with more than 80% of accidental exposures occurring in children under five years old. Alarmingly, there were 16 calls regarding adults who ate wild mushrooms as food, and 10 calls regarding cases of mushrooms being ingested for recreational purposes.

Genevieve Adamo, Senior Specialist in Poisons Information at the NSW Poisons Information Centre, said the figures highlight a potentially fatal issue in the community. “The number of calls we have received relating to adults who are ingesting wild mushrooms, is concerning. Mushrooms found in the wild, even in people’s own backyard, are not safe to eat.
“For children, mushroom ingestion is often accidental. But for adults, we know that ingestion is usually intentional, either from experimental use or using mushrooms in cooking. People don’t realise that this could be deadly,” Ms Adamo said.
Many mushrooms growing in the wild can cause serious poisoning, including the Death Cap mushroom, which - if eaten - can lead to potentially fatal organ damage.
It is never recommended to pick and eat wild mushrooms, as it is very difficult to identify which mushrooms are safe to eat. Poisonous mushrooms in Australia can look like edible mushrooms from Europe and Asia and changes in the appearance of mushrooms during the life cycle make it difficult to identify safely.
“Changes in environmental conditions mean toxic mushrooms can grow in a spot where previously only edible mushrooms grew. The fact you have safely eaten mushrooms growing in that spot previously is no guarantee
that it is safe to pick mushrooms again,” Ms Adamo warned.
“Cooking or boiling wild mushrooms also does not make them safe to eat, which is why we strongly advise against foraging for mushrooms and encourage people to only eat store-bought mushrooms. “Eating wild mushrooms is never worth the risk.”

To prevent accidental exposure to wild mushrooms, check the garden before allowing children to play as mushrooms can pop up overnight. Remove and dispose of any mushrooms in the garden or playground.
Poisonous mushrooms commonly cause nausea and vomiting but can also lead to liver and kidney damage.
Symptoms can be delayed but early treatment is vital, so anyone who is exposed to wild mushrooms should
call the Poisons Information Centre (13 11 26) immediately. In an emergency, people call Triple Zero (000) for an ambulance, or seek medical treatment through their
doctor or local emergency department.

 

[divs4ever]

Eating wild mushrooms: It’s never worth the risk

which is why i live in Queensland where even a Kiwi ( my dad ) can easily work out the difference and survive doing for more than ten years ( before dying from stomach/bowel cancer )

PS you would be amazed on what 'wild food is edible ( and survivable ) ( and declared weeds/pests )