Feminism

[burglar]

... You are so short sighted and blind.

... ?

 

[SirRumpole]

Men want the woman they marry to be a chef in the kitchen, a lady in the living room and a ***** in the bedroom. Not that difficult really ?

What do women want men to be ?

If anyone finds out, please let us know.

 

[Value Collector]

I wonder if "feminism" extends to equal rights for women to see parts of male anatomy that men can see of women.

you always seem to have things slightly backwards.

It's not about males or females having some sort of right to see parts of the opposite sex, it's about men or women being in charge of their own bodies, and not being told how they can and can't dress.

eg, I am against forcing women to wear a burqa, But not because I think men have a right to see her body, I think she has the right to dress how she likes. If she really wants to where a burqa, she can, she shouldn't feel obligated though, and we shouldn't look down on her either way, it's her body, her rules.

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But in general, men have a lot more freedom to show their body, pretty much most men go topless at the beach without a stir, I women takes her top off and she is labelled and attention seeking tart.

 

[SirRumpole]

you always seem to have things slightly backwards.

No , just a different perspective

It's not about males or females having some sort of right to see parts of the opposite sex, it's about men or women being in charge of their own bodies, and not being told how they can and can't dress.

So you would be in favour of abolishing the indecent exposure laws so men and women can go nude in public if they desire ?

 

[Craton]

I wonder if "feminism" extends to equal rights for women to see parts of male anatomy that men can see of women.

Not so funny really as there is a clear bias towards showing the naked female body. As a bloke even I find this one sided disparity entirely wrong. I'm also of the view that society as a whole has a real issue any male nudism and especially seeing one with an erection. Why is this, what is so special about an aroused male organ that must never be seen nor spoken about?

Surely an aroused member is confirmation that mankind has the potential to continue to live upon the face of this earth. So why is the image of this so taboo and not celebrated and yet, the naked female form is so readily accepted?

No doubt the answers lie in the reasons why feminism was born.

 

[Craton]

No , just a different perspective



So you would be in favour of abolishing the indecent exposure laws so men and women can go nude in public if they desire ?

Yep.

 

[Calliope]

Not so funny really as there is a clear bias towards showing the naked female body. As a bloke even I find this one sided disparity entirely wrong. I'm also of the view that society as a whole has a real issue any male nudism and especially seeing one with an erection. Why is this, what is so special about an aroused male organ that must never be seen nor spoken about?

It is in pornography watching where people reveal their preferences and "male nudism and especially seeing one with an erection" is very popular in Australia. Each country has its own preferences;

The rugged ideal of the buff, beer-swilling Australian male appears hard to resist too with 'aussie (gay)' the top search term down under.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...our-MILF-Syrians-like-aunt.html#ixzz3Kn6Er2mK

 

[Julia]

What do women want men to be ?

If anyone finds out, please let us know.

I can only comment from a personal perspective but the first thing would be for them not to be as judgmental, even toward one another, as is shown in some of the posts here, viz "you are wrong to think that" etc.
I don't see that any of us have a monopoly on truth. We all find aspects of life acceptable or not according to our own personal standards.
If Rumpole finds some behaviour or appearance unattractive and inappropriate, then that's up to him. Not for anyone else to tell him he should feel otherwise.

Then, preferably, to go somewhere else to discuss the more graphic representations of sexual arousal.

Men are what they are, hugely different amongst one another, and very different from most women.
Ideally thoughtful, able to regard others with kindness and compassion, capable of listening, funny, calm in a crisis, caring about their own health and fitness, behaving with respect toward anyone including women and animals.

And not regarding women merely as objects for their amusement and pleasure

 

[Value Collector]

No , just a different perspective

No, it's completely different.

Saying you have the right to see a girls body is very much different from saying she has the right to show it. the first option implies she doesn't have the right to cover up.

So you would be in favour of abolishing the indecent exposure laws so men and women can go nude in public if they desire

Well, I would probably change the definition of "indecent exposure" for a start.

I don't really see all nudity as being indecent, I mean some people are offended by breast feeding, that's just ridiculous in my opinion, But I would consider it ok for a female to go bare chested in all the places where its ok for men to go bare chested eg at the beach, in the pool, round the house in summer time, mowing the lawn, washing the car etc.

 

[Calliope]

I believe that complete exposure doesn't always achieve the best results...that's why we have burkas and bikinis.

 

[Value Collector]

as is shown in some of the posts here, viz "you are wrong to think that" etc.
I don't see that any of us have a monopoly on truth. We all find aspects of life acceptable or not according to our own personal standards.

Personal opinions are fine, but just because some one has an opinion doesn't mean it's right, and it doesn't mean it can't be shown to be untrue. When there are two opposing views, the truth doesn't necessarily lie in the middle, one side can just be wrong.

You probably would have no problem with people pointing out that racist opinions are wrong to hold, I would readily admit it is your right to hold a racist opinion, however it's my right to point out that holding such an opinion is wrong.

Much of the time the truth does indeed lie between two extreme points, but this can bias our thinking: sometimes a thing is simply untrue and a compromise of it is also untrue. Half way between truth and a lie, is still a lie.

If Rumpole finds some behaviour or appearance unattractive and inappropriate, then that's up to him. Not for anyone else to tell him he should feel otherwise

no one is suggesting he doesn't have the right to feel that way, I just pointed out that the criteria he uses to judge women might be a bit shallow because of that, and also suggested it would be wrong if people used personal feelings such as that to take the rights of others away.

 

[SirRumpole]

and also suggested it would be wrong if people used personal feelings such as that to take the rights of others away.

If you read my posts properly you would see I said women have a right to take their clothes off for the entertainment of others, but we are all free to interpret that action in our own way, as to our opinion of the person doing it.

 

[Value Collector]

as is shown in some of the posts here, viz "you are wrong to think that" etc.
I don't see that any of us have a monopoly on truth. We all find aspects of life acceptable or not according to our own personal standards.

Personal opinions are fine, but just because some one has an opinion doesn't mean it's right, and it doesn't mean it can't be shown to be untrue. When there are two opposing views, the truth doesn't necessarily lie in the middle, one side can just be wrong.

You probably would have no problem with people pointing out that racist opinions are wrong to hold, I would readily admit it is your right to hold a racist opinion, however it's my right to point out that holding such an opinion is wrong.

Much of the time the truth does indeed lie between two extreme points, but this can bias our thinking: sometimes a thing is simply untrue and a compromise of it is also untrue. Half way between truth and a lie, is still a lie.

If Rumpole finds some behaviour or appearance unattractive and inappropriate, then that's up to him. Not for anyone else to tell him he should feel otherwise

no one is suggesting he doesn't have the right to feel that way, I just pointed out that the criteria he uses to judge women might be a bit shallow because of that, and also suggested it would be wrong if people used personal feelings such as that to take the rights of others away.

 

[Value Collector]

I believe that complete exposure doesn't always achieve the best results...that's why we have burkas and bikinis.

Agreed, But it's not up to you or I to tell women what to wear.


There was a time when a women in a bikini would have been arrested, I am glad we are past that.

here is funny page showing some women from the past being arrested, and the police enforcing the length of bathing suit skirts with measuring tape, do we really want to let the "prude patrol" have more power.

http://www.messynessychic.com/2012/06/20/arrested-for-their-bathing-suits/

 

[Tisme]

Forbidden fruit is always more fun to pick than the free stuff on the ground. I'm more into the thrill of the hunt rather than serving myself at the bain marie. Desensitising the erotica would be a terrible loss of emotion for our young people IMO... and yes we all know they watch Redtube, Disney p0rn, etc but they are one dimensional characters on the screen (I'm told).

My wife used to love it when I went to Sydney for conferences and shows at the Cross:- I came back feeling all maleness after learning so much at the conferences......

 

[Calliope]

I had a strict upbringing. When I was a boy I wasn't allowed to watch Donald Duck because he and Daisy wore no nether garments. I guess Disney was ahead of his time.

 

[Julia]

Personal opinions are fine, but just because some one has an opinion doesn't mean it's right, and it doesn't mean it can't be shown to be untrue. When there are two opposing views, the truth doesn't necessarily lie in the middle, one side can just be wrong.

In some areas, yes, but on the question of how women dress and people's reactions to that, it's a matter of taste, not right or wrong.
Obviously the same goes for every individual woman. I'm personally more offended by rolls of fat, fully clothed, than a bare midriff without the fat. But that's nothing more than my own view.

 

[sydboy007]

I suppose there's still the male stud and equivalent female who's pretty much referred to as a wh.....

Still seems woman bare a far great stigma for being sexually active than men.

 

[SirRumpole]

Still seems woman bare a far great stigma for being sexually active than men.

Probably due to the attitudes towards the oldest profession throughout history, but I imagine a lot of women enjoy the power they have over men by just flashing a few titbits.

 

[SirRumpole]

Interesting article on the persecution of boys in the DV debate

We mustn't make boys feel bad about being male
By ABC's Elizabeth Jackson

Posted about 5 hours agoWed 3 Dec 2014, 3:55pm
Do we really want little boys left feeling bad about being male?

Our public schools should not portray domestic violence as a battleground of boys versus girls. We must ensure we don't send children the wrong message, writes Elizabeth Jackson.

Remember this. I like girls. I am one.

I also like boys; I gave life to three of them. The eldest is nearly a man, almost 17.

Last Monday was White Ribbon Day at the local public primary school. The children were encouraged to write poems reflecting upon the theme. Some of them were read out during school assembly.

"How was White Ribbon Day, boys?" I asked as they ambled towards me, basketballs bouncing, white T-shirts smudged to a grey brown.

"It was really anti-boy," came the unexpected response.

I know boys get a bad rap these days, and believe me I understand why. Their physicality alone can be overwhelming.

"Stop bouncing balls inside", "don't touch one another", "think your own thoughts inside your own head", "you're not in a competition".

This is the chorus of my life.

But boys can be brave. I've seen it. Stoic two-year-old, blue eyes brimming with tears as he says, "It's OK Mumma, you go to work, I'll be OK."

They can be funny:

"What's a dictator?"

"Someone who takes control and doesn't let anyone else have a say."

"Like you?"

Boys seem to almost burst with enthusiasm. Their scabby knees and bruised legs a testament to the way they gulp at life.

And they can be tender, instinctive protectors of brothers, sisters and mothers.

But this was not the message on White Ribbon Day, according to one of my boys: "Men are just people who drink too much and discriminate women." (sic)

I asked about the poetry. Girls said things like, "Stop hurting us." One teacher said, "Girls are just as good as boys, if not better."

So negative, so counter-productive. Good intentions executed so poorly.

Of course boys need to be educated not to hit women and girls need to know it's not OK to be hit. But do we really want little boys left feeling bad about being male after White Ribbon Day?

What about the positive male role models? Why didn't they get a look in? Educators are taught to ignore bad behaviour and focus on the positive.

There was no mention of Ashley Banjo, dancer extraordinaire and campaigner for women's rights:

Controlling your partner in any way is unhealthy. I've been with my girlfriend for five years and it's important to me that she feels relaxed and free.

Or actor Ricky Whittle:

We can all do something to help end domestic violence. A real man would never abuse his partner or children.

And what about those little boys who will themselves become the victims of domestic violence?

Our public schools should not portray domestic violence as a battleground of boys versus girls. Men need to respect women and vice versa.

Girls are great, it's true, but so too are boys.

Elizabeth Jackson produces and presents Saturday AM and Correspondents Report. View her full profile here.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-03/jackson-we-mustnt-make-boys-feel-bad-about-being-male/5933934