Federal Labor Party discussion

[Some Dude]

That hardly seems apparent in the way the Labor Party are adopting, piece by piece, the Coalition's successful border protection policy, despite the way they denigrated everything about it in the past.

It would be no different to the Coalition becoming the best friend that Medicare ever had. All parties adjust to the political realities.

 

[MrBurns]

Rudd has closed the gap nicely, now watch all the power hungry sewer rats rally behind him like he's their best friend, they can smell a chance here.

We could have them back in if we aren't careful

 

[Country Lad]

............and achieve greater democracy then his legacy will be greatly enhanced..............

I notice all the spin from Labor about Rudd's changes being more democratic.

After thinking about the process I can not understand how anybody can consider it more democratic than what we have now.

Let's consider what happens now.

Whether it is Labor, Liberal, National or any other party, the voters elect someone to represent them in parliament. That's democratic.

Those representatives of the voters, and on behalf of the voters (in the winning party) have elected their leader who is then the Prime Minister. That's democratic.

If those representatives of the voters decide that the leader should change then as representatives of the voters, they do so. That's democratic.

Rudd now wants to introduce outside people who are not representatives of the voters to have a say in who will be the country's Prime Minister. That's not democratic.

Not only are these outside people not representatives of the voters, they are not even a representative sample of the voters or of the adult population. They are members of a comparatively small group (Labor party) being influenced by an even smaller group (unions) who, as only 18% of the workforce are even less representative of the voting population. That's not democratic.

Regardless of whether it is the Labor, Liberals, Nationals or any other party, doing this it this way by introducing people outside the electoral system, is not democratic.

Cheers
Country Lad

 

[Logique]

John Howard Lite.
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Channelling John Howard. Yes Kevin, we really are that gullible. A vote for Rudd = a vote for Shorten and the vice-like Union stranglehold.

As any remaining (outside of Surry Hills coffee shops) True Believers might say of Rudd:

Cole Sear: I was thinking... you're nice, but you can't help me.

The Sixth Sense (1999)

 

[Purple XS2]

P.M. Rudd's ranting about changing the ALP rules on parliamentary leadership spills is a succinct demonstration of 2 things:

• short of biting the head off a live chicken on camera, there is nothing Rudd could say or do that the caucus wouldn't sheepishly follow. Between now and the next election (weeks, months) Rudd is invulnerable as leader of the ALP caucus. They simply couldn't bring themselves to confront or question him, no matter what he does or proposes.
• Mr Rudd has absolutely no concept of what a Prime Minister is actually supposed to do, namely lead a party or bloc in a Westminster system. Westminster government is the cabinet guided but not controlled by the PM. It's the difference between CEO (USA presidential style) and a Chairman of the board. Rudd is no chairman: he's a control freak and not a very good one. He actually thinks that the public voted for him, personally, loyally and lovingly in 2007, as President of Australia. (The public did not of course vote for Gillard personally, - any of a dozen excuses why that isn't so will do). Accordingly, Rudd sees caucus acceptance of his leadership as a vote-once and shut-up event. Caucus is merely an electorate, not a collegiate.

I wrote a while ago that the ALP parliamentary caucus would have to be certifiably insane to return to Rudd. Now that it's happened, I'm more convinced than ever.

P

 

[noco]

It is my own personal opinion that there is still a lot of bitterness and hatered in the Labor Party and there are still plenty of Gillard supporters in cabinet and caucas who will stop at nothing to get revenge on Rudd and will start white anting Rudd whenever they see an opportunity to do so.

I believe we will see a lot of this leading up to an election. There will be leaks from the Gillard supporters like Jenny Macklin who was one of her strong deciples and now in the Rudd cabinet. I also believe we will see Shortens true colours coming to the fore.

 

[MrBurns]

It is my own personal opinion that there is still a lot of bitterness and hatered in the Labor Party and there are still plenty of Gillard supporters in cabinet and caucas who will stop at nothing to get revenge on Rudd and will start white anting Rudd whenever they see an opportunity to do so.

I believe we will see a lot of this leading up to an election. There will be leaks from the Gillard supporters like Jenny Macklin who was one of her strong deciples and now in the Rudd cabinet. I also believe we will see Shortens true colours coming to the fore.

I think all that will start after the election, before that they will all rally behind him as that's their best chance.

 

[sptrawler]

Back in March we said Labor had an internal battle going on, between the unions and the moderates.

Well it looks like the moderates are going for the kill, this could blow up into a public fight.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-reforms-under-microscope-20130709-2poe9.html

 

[noco]

Back in March we said Labor had an internal battle going on, between the unions and the moderates.

Well it looks like the moderates are going for the kill, this could blow up into a public fight.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-reforms-under-microscope-20130709-2poe9.html

And the party games will continue while there is dissension.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-gillard-ousting/story-fnihsr9v-1226676083652

 

[sptrawler]

And the party games will continue while there is dissension.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-gillard-ousting/story-fnihsr9v-1226676083652

My guess is, the unions will try to roll Rudd asap after the election and get Shorten into the P.M's chair.
Therefore, they will be pushing for Rudd to call the election, before he can enact any anti union changes to the Labor Party constitution.

Rudd must be causing massive internal pressures in Labor.

He is causing as much angst for Labor as he is for Liberal, saying he would overturn the 'captains pick', then ordaining it. The faceless men must be pulling their hair out.lol

You have to give Kev his due, he is a 'showman'.

 

[drsmith]

You have to give Kev his due, he is a 'showman'.

Kevin Rudd clearly thinks he can win the next election and wants to cement his position as party leader while the ALP are in office.

With the efforts to secure his position within Labor, the party must now realise that in resurrecting Rudd that they have created a monster, both internally and externally.

 

[sptrawler]

Kevin Rudd clearly thinks he can win the next election and wants to cement his position as party leader while the ALP are in office.

With the efforts to secure his position within Labor, the party must now realise that in resurrecting Rudd that they have created a monster, both internally and externally.

Absolutely, but is 'average' mainstream Australia buying it? I think not.


http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/kevin-lifts-polls-not-confidence-20130710-2ppii.html

 

[noco]

Back in March we said Labor had an internal battle going on, between the unions and the moderates.

Well it looks like the moderates are going for the kill, this could blow up into a public fight.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-reforms-under-microscope-20130709-2poe9.html

Let the party games begin.

Some more information on Shorten and Howes.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-gillard-ousting/story-fnihsr9v-1226676083652

 

[drsmith]

Kevin Rudd might jump to the polls in august,

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...s-party-on-election-alert-20130710-2pqt2.html

 

[sptrawler]

Kevin Rudd might jump to the polls in august,

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...s-party-on-election-alert-20130710-2pqt2.html

The unions will be pushing hard for as early as possible.

 

[MrBurns]

Kevin Rudd might jump to the polls in august,

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...s-party-on-election-alert-20130710-2pqt2.html

He wants to get all his overseas jaunts in first so he can weasel his way into the UN, that's much easier to line up while he's PM..........so the election will have to wait until it suits Rudd.

Wong looks entirely out of place next to Rudd and she looks very uncomfortable

 

[drsmith]

He wants to get all his overseas jaunts in first so he can weasel his way into the UN, that's much easier to line up while he's PM..........so the election will have to wait until it suits Rudd.

Wong looks entirely out of place next to Rudd and she looks very uncomfortable

I suspect it's more about his current job and to that end, the polls will be his guide.

For Penny, the taste of Julia Gillard's political blood would still be lingering in her mouth as she walks side by side with the man whom she helped to assassinate the sisterhood's Prime-minister.

 

[MrBurns]

I suspect it's more about his current job and to that end, the polls will be his guide.

For Penny, the taste of Julia Gillard's political blood would still be lingering in her mouth as she walks side by side with the man whom she helped to assassinate Gillard's Prime-ministership.

If he had any nous he would go now, it wont get any better for him than it is right now.

I can hardly wait for the Libs campaign ads, they have so much to work with it will be brutal for Labor.

 

[sptrawler]

Wong looks entirely out of place next to Rudd and she looks very uncomfortable

It is probable, she has been promised Deputy leadership, under Shorten, that would be the only concievable reason, for her knifing Gillard publicly.

Standing next to Rudd must be galling her, the whole alpha male thing, in the blue tie.

The whole nasty mess must be festering, something chronic.

 

[Knobby22]

Saw a funny cartoon in yesterdays Age.
It showed a Labor politician saying, I present this unfair dismissal law ... for Prime Ministers.