Federal Labor Party discussion

[medicowallet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXfP2763gYo


(and +1 to the above post)

 

[sptrawler]

I would hope that we all think it would be a good thing for both of them to be debating each others policies often, and not just before the election.

The governments policies are in place and are failing.
The only policy the coalition has sugested, is to not allow processing of asylum seekers without papers.
Now the Rudd government is talking about adopting similar policy.
Why would the opposition partake in any discussion, with a party desperate for policy? That would be dumb.
If the government had coherent policy, it wouldn't be in the situation it finds itself.

They are desperately looking for answers, while at the same time tryng to distance themselves, from their poor policies.
Sad really, they should have pondered the consequencies before making rash decissions, for personal gain.

 

[sptrawler]

I must admit, it is nice to see a lot of the reporters chirping up and stopping the tears, since Rudd has returned.lol

It was getting a bit sad readng Barrie Cassidy, Gittens, Carlton etc. Getting all morbid and depressed.

Not worry they will be all back there soon.lol

 

[Calliope]

The Therese Rein multimilliondollar firm Ingeus is losing its shine in Britain. Don't you just love trailing commissions?

Joanna Long, a member of the lobby group Boycott Workfare, told The Australian that the unemployed had no real alternative but to work for free with no job at the end of the period.

"It is deeply concerning someone so closely connected to the Australian Labor Party is helping to erode labour rights in the UK," Ms Long said.

"Ingeus's plans for their Work Program contract promised six months of forced unpaid work for unemployed people -- a recipe for replacing paid work and undermining the minimum wage."

Such has been the level of complaints about Ingeus there are Facebook sites and a "week of action" planned for this week.

There is also bitter resentment that Ingeus receives trailing payments from the government for up to two years -- sometimes earning more in these incentives than the newly employed person may earn -- and receives the money even if the jobseeker finds the job independently.

Ingeus pockets pound stg. 400 every time a person unemployed for more than 12 months is automatically referred to it by the government's Job Start centre. It then receives pound stg. 1400 for finding them a job and then the trailing commission of up to pound stg. 2795 is paid to encourage the company to ensure the job is an appropriate one. Another incentive of pound stg. 1000 per person is also paid if the person remains in work.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ams-work-efforts/story-fn59niix-1226675641227

 

[Calliope]

Why did I put the last post on this thread?

Rudd may feel Rein's divestment of her Australian government contracts during his first term as prime minister put sufficient distance between him and his spouse's business dealings. But conflicts of interest have a moral dimension and no more so than when Rudd denounces "Cameronite" policies while his spouse seeks to profit from them.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...n-from-uk-tories/story-e6frgd0x-1226675618288

 

[drsmith]

The latest essential media poll has the Coalition at 52% 2PP. This is the same as the previous weekly sample taken after the Kevin Rudd's resurrection to the Labor leadership.

Sportsbet has the Coalition at $1.22 and Labor $4.00, but interestingly, that assumes an election no later than the last weekend in September.

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/australian-federal-politics

An interesting sub-poll on Essential Media this week is the Leader attribute comparisons between Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott.

http://essentialvision.com.au/leader-attributes-comparisons-3

With Kevin Rudd currently at messiah status amongst those polled, it can only be downhill for Labor from here.

 

[Zedd]

Why would the opposition partake in any discussion, with a party desperate for policy? That would be dumb.

Dumb to put forward ideas that would help the nation, irrespective of who implements them? I'd call that selfish and short-sighted myself. Guaranteed there would be some policies that Labour would try and spin to be there own if the Coalition comes out with something special that is of moderate political nation, but the majority of policies will play to party core ideals, so they'd never be implemented by the opposing party.

 

[MrBurns]

Dumb to put forward ideas that would help the nation, irrespective of who implements them? I'd call that selfish and short-sighted myself. Guaranteed there would be some policies that Labour would try and spin to be there own if the Coalition comes out with something special that is of moderate political nation, but the majority of policies will play to party core ideals, so they'd never be implemented by the opposing party.

Plenty of time to announce policy, the right time is when Rudd announces an election date.

 

[Zedd]

I don't expect Rudd to see out a full term and this is something the public should be aware of when voting Labor.

Interesting development:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...eader-kevin-rudd/story-fn59niix-1226676110640

One would assume that this would give more confidence for Rudd supporters, but I think it'll be interesting to see exactly what public opinion is because I think this could be seen in a number of lights.

 

[nulla nulla]

The latest essential media poll has the Coalition at 52% 2PP. This is the same as the previous weekly sample taken after the Kevin Rudd's resurrection to the Labor leadership.

Sportsbet has the Coalition at $1.22 and Labor $4.00, but interestingly, that assumes an election no later than the last weekend in September.

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/australian-federal-politics

An interesting sub-poll on Essential Media this week is the Leader attribute comparisons between Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott.

http://essentialvision.com.au/leader-attributes-comparisons-3

With Kevin Rudd currently at messiah status amongst those polled, it can only be downhill for Labor from here.

Messiah...."He's not the messiah, he's just a naughty little boy".

 

[springhill]

Interesting development:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...eader-kevin-rudd/story-fn59niix-1226676110640

One would assume that this would give more confidence for Rudd supporters, but I think it'll be interesting to see exactly what public opinion is because I think this could be seen in a number of lights.

Trying to protect his position would be one of them , but to be fair giving the rank and file a voice is another.

I wonder, though, if he truly has the party and the ordinary members interests at heart that these measures weren't suggested by Rudd when Gillard was still in charge.

He is as transparent as glass.

 

[Tink]

Agree Springhill.

He must be getting worried. We have been told how hard he is to work with, and everyone that remembers has deserted the ship.

 

[Calliope]

John Howard Lite.

 

[wayneL]

Just want to say... Springhill for PM!

Really enjoying the commentary mate

 

[sptrawler]

Trying to protect his position would be one of them , but to be fair giving the rank and file a voice is another.

I wonder, though, if he truly has the party and the ordinary members interests at heart that these measures weren't suggested by Rudd when Gillard was still in charge.

He is as transparent as glass.

He knows as soon as the election is over, the unions will push to roll him and put Shorten in.

 

[Julia]

Guaranteed there would be some policies that Labour would try and spin to be there (sic) own if the Coalition comes out with something special that is of moderate political nation,

Could you clarify the meaning of "that is of moderate political nation"? I have no idea what you mean.

but the majority of policies will play to party core ideals, so they'd never be implemented by the opposing party.

That hardly seems apparent in the way the Labor Party are adopting, piece by piece, the Coalition's successful border protection policy, despite the way they denigrated everything about it in the past.

Interesting development:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...eader-kevin-rudd/story-fn59niix-1226676110640

One would assume that this would give more confidence for Rudd supporters, but I think it'll be interesting to see exactly what public opinion is because I think this could be seen in a number of lights.

The only realistic light in which to see it is our Kev protecting his position should he win government.
He couldn't give a stuff about the rights of ordinary members of the Labor Party, or those of his colleagues.
He just wants to avoid the almost inevitable repeat of being rolled again should the electorate be gullible enough to fall for his spin, whilst his colleagues find his arrogance and egocentricity just as unbearable the second time around.

 

[db94]

The Labor party are about to be put in to a pile of deep deep doo doo

http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html

Aaaaaannnd the honeymoon period is over...

EDIT: I knew this was happening as Australia follows the USA but will the average joe have suspected it?

 

[Zedd]

Could you clarify the meaning of "that is of moderate political nation"? I have no idea what you mean.

Oops. Typo. I meant moderate political opinion/views. ie. Not left, not right, not Labour, Liberal or any other flavour.

That hardly seems apparent in the way the Labor Party are adopting, piece by piece, the Coalition's successful border protection policy, despite the way they denigrated everything about it in the past.

I think border policies are difficult. I don't think either party are sticking to their core ideals in the policies they've tried or suggested. What other pieces of Coalition policies do you think they've adopted?

The only realistic light in which to see it is our Kev protecting his position should he win government.
He couldn't give a stuff about the rights of ordinary members of the Labor Party, or those of his colleagues.
He just wants to avoid the almost inevitable repeat of being rolled again should the electorate be gullible enough to fall for his spin, whilst his colleagues find his arrogance and egocentricity just as unbearable the second time around.

Valid opinion. I disagree it's the only valid one.

I'm sure he is shoring up his position for if he gets in, but I don't think he should have been rolled in the first place, to then have his successor stay in power for the remainder of the full term. So although there may be multiple motivations for the reform, I honestly don't know which I think is the strongest motivator - future security, or correction of past wrongs (which is different again to revenge).

Nor would I go so far as to say "he doesn't give a stuff" about the members of the party or his colleagues. Again, multiple interests but I think there's a genuine attempt to reform a party that has become far less than it's party members expect it to be.

As to his colleagues and their criticism, my recall of the situation when he got rolled was of great public distrust for Gillard for her actions, so how else were her colleagues meant to justify it other than to publicly vent as much vitriol as possible. I personally feel some of it was exaggerated for Gillard's benefit.

All in all, with what I've seen and read so far of Rudd, I think he's putting on a great show to try and win the election, but from his actions so far I actually think he's trying to leave a legacy other than the PM who got stabbed in the back by his own party for pursuing policies that were initially supported by the public and his party.

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The Labor party are about to be put in to a pile of deep deep doo doo

http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-links-to-us-spy-web-20130708-2plyg.html

Aaaaaannnd the honeymoon period is over...

EDIT: I knew this was happening as Australia follows the USA but will the average joe have suspected it?

I don't know if that's honeymoon over. It doesn't have a timeframe on when it was instigated, but I imagine it was agreed on between Howard and Bush, rather than Rudd/Gillard and Obama.

 

[Knobby22]

All in all, with what I've seen and read so far of Rudd, I think he's putting on a great show to try and win the election, but from his actions so far I actually think he's trying to leave a legacy other than the PM who got stabbed in the back by his own party for pursuing policies that were initially supported by the public and his party.

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If he can achieve change within the Labor Party, to reduce the power of the big Unions and factions and achieve greater democracy then his legacy will be greatly enhanced. At the last big Labor pow wow, Bracks, Faulkner and Carr tried to achieve change with a range of proposals and everything they proposed got knocked back. It won't be easy.

 

[Calliope]

At last we know why Rudd is so attractive to juvenile and immature minds. If he wins the election these are the people who will tip the balance. It's a bit scary.