Fake news and its effect on the community

[Joules MM1]

Rudd has finally lost the plot. Has he forgotten the Murdoch press backed him for PM?

i see that point being made in several places, mostly by pro murdoch folks, except, that would have been a
good question back then, giving murdoch a free pass today, for the things he's doing today, for what he
did then, at what point would those actions back then negate what he's practicing now ?

if he helped a little old lady across a busy bus lane back then
does it negate pushing people under a bus now ?

 

[PZ99]

Rudd has finally lost the plot. Has he forgotten the Murdoch press backed him for PM?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Murdoch press shouldn't be backing any party - that's the whole point of this.

 

[moXJO]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Murdoch press shouldn't be backing any party - that's the whole point of this.

Doesn't Fairfax back one party?

Doesn't 95% of the media back Democrats?

Doesn't the social media companies lean a certain way?

I don't see what a royal commission will actually achieve. Except for a witch-hunt on Murdoch.

 

[PZ99]

Doesn't Fairfax back one party?

Doesn't 95% of the media back Democrats?

Doesn't the social media companies lean a certain way?

I don't see what a royal commission will actually achieve. Except for a witch-hunt on Murdoch.

I don't care who Fairfax backs. Fairfax doesn't corrupt our political system and it doesn't own the vast majority of our print media like Murdoch does.

Who cares who backs the Democrats ? Not me. I'm talking about Australia.

A royal commission will achieve two things. It'll prove the Murdoch media is a corrupt organization that continually violates our media laws and it'll provide a strong case for restricting media ownership to an Australian owned company that pays Australian taxes on its profits instead of taking them out of the country.

 

[dutchie]

Rudd has finally lost the plot. Has he forgotten the Murdoch press backed him for PM?

Rudd lost the plot a long, long, long time ago.

 

[moXJO]

I don't care who Fairfax backs. Fairfax doesn't corrupt our political system and it doesn't own the vast majority of our print media like Murdoch does.

Who cares who backs the Democrats ? Not me. I'm talking about Australia.

A royal commission will achieve two things. It'll prove the Murdoch media is a corrupt organization that continually violates our media laws and it'll provide a strong case for restricting media ownership to an Australian owned company that pays Australian taxes on its profits instead of taking them out of the country.

Sorry but papers like "the age" do exactly the same thing.
Social media is a more influential force that's open to abuse from China and Russia. Murdoch is yesterday's news. His influence was on the wane 5 years ago.

 

[PZ99]

Sorry but papers like "the age" do exactly the same thing.
Social media is a more influential force that's open to abuse from China and Russia. Murdoch is yesterday's news. His influence was on the wane 5 years ago.

If "the age" does the same thing it merely adds to my point about reforming the media laws.

Murdoch isn't yesterday's news. It's last years' news and last elections' news and many previous elections' news and it'll remain future elections' news for as long as it's allowed to troll our political system.

Social media I don't really care about. After all.. people who go online to complain about social media are doing the very thing they're complaining about

 

[moXJO]

If "the age" does the same thing it merely adds to my point about reforming the media laws.

Murdoch isn't yesterday's news. It's last years' news and last elections' news and many previous elections' news and it'll remain future elections' news for as long as it's allowed to troll our political system.

Social media I don't really care about. After all.. people who go online to complain about social media are doing the very thing they're complaining about

Print media is gone.
News.com gets more clicks being pro left. Its a lot more balanced then it was.
Social media is the great brainwasher these days. Rudd's got an axe to grind and too much time on his hands.

Call for this 20 years ago and it might have made a difference.

 

[PZ99]

Agree social media is the great brainwasher but only to the brainwashed - otherwise this conversation wouldn't exist

Not really concerned about what Rudd thinks... or Turnbull or Hanson for that matter - they were all unfairly targeted.

For me it's all about removing the corruption and keeping the profits where they belong.

20 years ago they were talking about ownership laws of radio and TV for much the same reasons.

 

[moXJO]

Agree social media is the great brainwasher but only to the brainwashed - otherwise this conversation wouldn't exist

Not really concerned about what Rudd thinks... or Turnbull or Hanson for that matter - they were all unfairly targeted.

For me it's all about removing the corruption and keeping the profits where they belong.

20 years ago they were talking about ownership laws of radio and TV for much the same reasons.

Tech companies are the future Murdochs. Perhaps even more insidious. And they offshore profits like nobodies business.
Future threats are a bigger threat then past has beens.

But sure, I don't mind if Murdoch gets bent over. Just seems like a waste of time apart from the comeuppance.

 

[dutchie]

I knew the fake news reporters at CNN were wankers but .....


CNN Chief Legal Analyst Suspended by The New Yorker for Masturbating During Zoom Call

MATT NAHAMOct 19th, 2020, 2:35 pm

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CNN chief legal analyst and New Yorker staff writer Jeffrey Toobin apparently exposed his penis—and then some—during an “election simulation” Zoom call last week related to his work for the latter news organization, resulting in a suspension.
VICE Motherboard reported the news Monday afternoon, which included an apologetic statement from Toobin confirming that this, indeed, occurred.
“I made an embarrassingly stupid mistake, believing I was off-camera. I apologize to my wife, family, friends and co-workers,” Toobin said of last week’s incident. The New Yorker said Toobin was suspended pending further investigation. VICE later updated the story to clarify that Toobin was masturbating.
Toobin managed to be caught with his pants down in view of New Yorker and WNYC radio employees who participated in the Zoom call, he said, because he “believed [he] was not visible on Zoom.”
“I thought no one on the Zoom call could see me. I thought I had muted the Zoom video,” Toobin told VICE. The publication later went into more detail about what occurred, citing witness accounts:

Both people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to speak freely, noted that it was unclear how much each individual person on the call saw, but both of the people we spoke to said that they saw Toobin jerking off. The two sources described a juncture in the election simulation when there was a strategy session, and the Democrats and Republicans went into their respective break out rooms for about 10 minutes. At this point, they said, it seemed like Toobin was on a second video call. The sources said that when the groups returned from their break out rooms, Toobin lowered the camera. The people on the call said they could see Toobin touching his penis. Toobin then left the call. Moments later, he called back in, seemingly unaware of what his colleagues had been able to see, and the simulation continued.

It’s unclear which day last week this took place, but it was noticed that Toobin hasn’t tweeted since last Tuesday, Oct. 13.
Toobin reportedly appeared on CNN as recently as Saturday in his legal pundit role. Law&Crime reached out to two CNN representatives for comment on Toobin’s status with the network.
A CNN spokesperson told Law&Crime that Toobin has “asked for some time off while he deals with a personal issue, which we have granted.”
Toobin has worked as a legal analyst at CNN since 2002. He has been with The New Yorker for more than 25 years.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

I knew the fake news reporters at CNN were wankers but .....

CNN chief legal analyst and New Yorker staff writer Jeffrey Toobin apparently exposed his penis—and then some—during an “election simulation” Zoom call last week related to his work for the latter news organization, resulting in a suspension.
.... citing witness accounts:

things are getting out of hand!

 

[basilio]

I thought this was sweet.

 

[dutchie]

I thought this was sweet.

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A person with dimensia puts up a billboard about dementia - classic.

 

[sptrawler]

If they are going to have a Royal Commission into media, I think it should be on the media as a whole not just Murdoch, they all lean one way or another and it isn't just confined to politics.
Is there any wonder all media is going broke, they are all only trying to appeal to one sector of the community, it is about time they stopped trying to social engineer and got back to what the majority want balanced news.
The last Australian and U.K elections, showed how out of touch the media is, with the mainstream public. Jeez one would think they would have learnt something from that, but no they soldier on spewing forth the same dribble as they sink into bankruptcy. ?

 

[Smurf1976]

Print media is gone.
News.com gets more clicks being pro left. Its a lot more balanced then it was.
Social media is the great brainwasher these days. Rudd's got an axe to grind and too much time on his hands.

An observation about all media is that bias usually occurs not by lies but simply by omission.

Report accurately one side of the argument and say little if anything about the other side, thus creating the impression that the argument for or against something is overwhelming. It works, the general public and even some who really should know better do fall for it.

Another trick is writing something in a way that implies or even outright states that "everyone does this" or "everyone's fed up with that" even though this isn't even remotely true. It works because those who aren't doing it suddenly feel left out and think they too had better jump on board and start doing it. End result is it's effective marketing cleverly disguised as factual reporting which it most certainly isn't.

Outright lies do occur but not so common as omission.

 

[Knobby22]

Its a bit long but there is a lot in it, well worth a careful read. It sends chills down my spine.
Something has to be done or the USA will fall and then we will follow. I have some ideas.

Forget Russia's meddling. The biggest threat to the election could be the US itself

Security and propaganda experts say the focus of the US election on 3 November shouldn't just be on foreign actors, but on those spreading dangerous misinformation closer to home - and how bad actors are exploiting a volatile country.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[basilio]

Speaking of bad actors spreading disinformation.

The only thing left for the Trump Presidency to take to the electorate is an attack on Bidens political morality and ethics. (Yes from the Trump administration itself..) To that end the usual suspects have been relentlessly flogging the story of the mysterious laptop that turned up with these suggestive emails seeming to implicate Biden in meetings with Ukraine officials.

On the other hand what do the Intelligence professionals have to say about this remarkable incident ?

More than 50 former intel officials signed a public letter saying they believe the Hunter Biden story has 'all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation'


Lauren Frias
Oct 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

Handout/DNCC/Getty ImagesHunter Biden addressing the virtual Democratic National Convention.

• More than 50 former intelligence officials wrote a public letter Monday saying they were “deeply suspicious” that Russia could be involved with the dubious New York Post stories published recently about Joe Biden’s son Hunter.
• In the letter, first reported by Politico, the former officials said they believed the information at the centre of the stories had “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”
• “It is high time that Russia stops interfering in our democracy,” the officials wrote.
• Visit Business Insider’s homepage for more stories.

The FBI is investigating whether the emails were part of a foreign intelligence operation, and the Washington Post reported that Giuliani was targeted by Russian intelligence.CNN described the email probe as “part of a larger investigation into Russian disinformation that dates back to before the impeachment inquiry last fall.”

The former intel officials wrote they believe the arrival of the contents, which they dubbed a “laptop op,” to the tabloid was a cause for suspicion, “as the publication of the emails are clearly designed to discredit” the elder Biden.

“Such an operation would be consistent with some of the key methods Russia has used in its now multi-year operation to interfere in our democracy — the hacking (via cyber operations) and the dumping of accurate information or the distribution of inaccurate or misinformation,” they said.

More than 50 former intel officials signed a public letter saying they believe the Hunter Biden story has 'all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation'

The former intel officials wrote they believed the arrival of emails to the New York Post, which they dubbed a "laptop op," was a cause for suspicion.

www.businessinsider.com.au

 

[basilio]

The ABC has gone into depth with the Biden B/S story that has been assidiously promoted by the local Murdoch Press.
Excellent reality check. This story is on par with pizzagate.

Joe Biden and Hunter Biden have been accused of corruption, but there's good reason to be sceptical

How a dubious story about Joe Biden's son and his laptop went around the world

This week Australian media have been reporting about a laptop belonging to the son of US presidential candidate Joe Biden. But at the same time, serious questions are being raised about the story in America.

www.abc.net.au

 

[basilio]

Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkeman have been charged with sending lying robocalls to voters to discourage them from voting. I posted this story in the Rigging US election thread.

What I wasn't aware of however was how prolific young Jacob (only 22...) has been in the fields of Security fraud, spreading conspiracy theories, and creating multiple smears of public officials . Every one of them was a complete fabrication.

I raise this issue because many posters on ASF repeatedly raise allegations of this sort as some kind of hidden truth that is suppressed by the MSM and only comes to light on those special websites that will post any smear as along as it suits a right wing political agenda. Perhaps if some of these posters read the entire Jacob Wohl story, checked out the references , you might reconsider your willingness to believe some of the stories you promote.

The WIKIPEDIA post on Jacob is a revelation. You couldn't make it up. I have only posted the Abstract. The remainder is still a work of dark art.

Jacob Wohl (born December 12, 1997) is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and Internet troll.[17] Wohl has been involved, along with conservative lobbyist and conspiracy theorist Jack Burkman, in multiple plots that attempted to frame public figures for fictitious sexual assaults, including in October 2018 against U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller, in April 2019 against 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg, and in April 2020 against White House Coronavirus Task Force member Anthony Fauci.[16][18][19]

Wohl has created and promulgated other false or unfounded claims and conspiracy theories, mainly against Democratic Party politicians such as Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Ilhan Omar, and Elizabeth Warren.[4][5][20][21][22] To aid his schemes, Wohl has created multiple fake private intelligence agencies, and has fabricated death threats and protests against himself.[23][24]

On February 26, 2019, Twitter permanently banned him for violating its rules regarding creating and operating fake accounts.[25] Facebook and Instagram permanently banned Wohl on August 31, 2020, also for violating rules about creating deceptive accounts.[26][27] On October 1, 2020, Wohl and Burkman were each charged with four felonies related to voter intimidation by the Michigan Department of Justice, related to an August 2020 robocall campaign allegedly originated by Wohl and Burkman.[28][29][30]

Wohl founded several investment funds as a teenager. The National Futures Association (NFA) banned Wohl for life in 2017, after investigating multiple investor complaints against him and concluding that Wohl was guilty of refusing to cooperate with the NFA as required, misrepresenting investments, and misleading investors.[4][31][32] Arizona Corporation Commission (ACC) charged Wohl with 14 counts of securities fraud in the same year, and ordered him to pay $32,919 in restitution.[33][34][31]

In August 2019, felony arrest warrants were issued in California for Wohl and his former business partner, Matthew Johnson, for illicit sale of securities that took place in July and August 2016.[1] Wohl pleaded not guilty to two felony charges of selling unregistered securities in February 2020. The settlement hearing that was originally scheduled for April 2020 was postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.[35]

Jacob Wohl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org