Fake news and its effect on the community

[IFocus]

I always struggle with the fact the likes of Court and Folau fail the most basic test of their own beliefs and thats the teachings of JC love and acceptance of all.

I also admire both (sporting prowess) but when they decide to go public using their status to push their views then they are fair game for opinions for or against those beliefs.

If there is free speech (there isnt) then its free for all not just for those who push their beliefs.

 

[sptrawler]

I always struggle with the fact the likes of Court and Folau fail the most basic test of their own beliefs and thats the teachings of JC love and acceptance of all.

I also admire both (sporting prowess) but when they decide to go public using their status to push their views then they are fair game for opinions for or against those beliefs.

If there is free speech (there isnt) then its free for all not just for those who push their beliefs.

I agree with all of that.
The news article quoting Margaret Court, was taken from her talking in a Church, one would think it contained like minded people. Smacks a bit of media stalking to me, but i could be wrong.

 

[Smurf1976]

If there is free speech (there isnt) then its free for all not just for those who push their beliefs.

The trouble is that rather a lot of people have a desire to control others.

The latest seems to be about fireworks in Sydney.

First they tried saying it was offensive. Then they seemingly realised nobody was taking that seriously so then they switched to fire hazards. Now that the RFS has said no problem they’ve switched to saying it’s about the hot weather.

In other words they just don’t like them and want to take away something that many people enjoy watching, using the fires as a convenient excuse to push the agenda.

Same with a lot of things. It’s all about control not about what’s good or bad and the Left and Right are both guilty.

End result is no progress gets made on things which actually do matter and the country slides slowly backwards.

 

[rederob]

If it wasn't given airplay, no one would know anything about it, except for the few that visit the Church they are in and probably hold the same belief.
The ones who want to force them to change their beliefs, have the ear of the whole nation and use it to good effect.
But I know you love to argue, so I will leave it.

Here's the problem with your thinking: Court and Folau are welcome to think about really dumb stuff and in private they are welcome to espouse it to whoever they like. However, when they want to spread their vindictive views in public it is they who become the "bullies" and it is they who want others to share their ancient views.
I have a suspicion that if Court was advocating slavery because it too is in the Bible, then your views might be a bit different.
Minorities continue to suffer at the hands of ignorant people and I personally find the idea of you or anyone supporting their persecutors to be anathema.

 

[greggles]

In other words they just don’t like them and want to take away something that many people enjoy watching, using the fires as a convenient excuse to push the agenda.

Same with a lot of things. It’s all about control not about what’s good or bad and the Left and Right are both guilty.

I thought this was the Australian way. Try and spoil the fun for everyone so we can go back to whinging about everything and being pissed off.

I may get bashed for this, but IMO Aussies are the greatest spoilsports and fun wreckers of all the nations on Earth. Remember when we used to accuse the Poms of being whingers? Now it's the Aussies who are the world champion whingers. No other nation even comes close. We have refined the art form.

 

[sptrawler]

Here's the problem with your thinking: Court and Folau are welcome to think about really dumb stuff and in private they are welcome to espouse it to whoever they like. However, when they want to spread their vindictive views in public it is they who become the "bullies" and it is they who want others to share their ancient views.
I have a suspicion that if Court was advocating slavery because it too is in the Bible, then your views might be a bit different.
Minorities continue to suffer at the hands of ignorant people and I personally find the idea of you or anyone supporting their persecutors to be anathema.

Like I said, it wasn't said in an interview, she was in her Church, the press is the one putting it into the public domain.
To quote someone:
Minorities continue to suffer at the hands of ignorant people and I personally find the idea of you or anyone supporting their persecutors to be anathema.
You have a warped view of who is doing the bullying and have never had to live your life facing regular scorn or persecution.#259

How do you know what I have had to live through? Again pushing your beliefs while using unfounded aspersions, against people you know nothing about, to try to somehow garner the upper hand.
Sounds like a bully to me.

 

[rederob]

How do you know what I have had to live through? Again pushing your beliefs while using unfounded aspersions, against people you know nothing about, to try to somehow garner the upper hand.
Sounds like a bully to me.

This is about what is happening in the public arena (maybe you have not yet worked out its reach?) and if you want to make it personal then take it out of this forum.
There are very few who would think that the LGBQTI community either have been or are treated fairly, and for media personalities - and Court has put herself into the limelight - to continue to disparage them in the public arena is a low act.
Read what you have written: you are suggesting she is being bullied for her beliefs. Again, her beliefs are simply not at issue as it is where she is choosing to promulgate them that is the problem.

 

[sptrawler]

This is about what is happening in the public arena (maybe you have not yet worked out its reach?) and if you want to make it personal then take it out of this forum.
There are very few who would think that the LGBQTI community either have been or are treated fairly, and for media personalities - and Court has put herself into the limelight - to continue to disparage them in the public arena is a low act.
Read what you have written: you are suggesting she is being bullied for her beliefs. Again, her beliefs are simply not at issue as it is where she is choosing to promulgate them that is the problem.

There is only you, who is getting personal Rob. I was only responding to your attack.

 

[rederob]

There is only you who is getting personal Rob. I was only responding to your attack.

Please re-read the posts as I have consistently attacked the idea that thinking of Margaret Court as being bullied is completely back to front, and that you appear to think the opposite.
When Court's views are shared on Youtube your defence of her position becomes questionable unless you are of the view that it is ok for minorities to continue to be the subject of derision by personalities able to command a media profile. I would hope and trust that is not you.

 

[sptrawler]

When Court's views are shared on Youtube your defence of her position becomes questionable unless you are of the view that it is ok for minorities to continue to be the subject of derision by personalities able to command a media profile. I would hope and trust that is not you.

What if Court's views were put on facebook maliciously, as it may well have been, who knows?

It is like any belief driven organisation be it christians, muslims, free masons etc, they probably say some things in their meetings, that someone will take exception to.
So do you vet all meetings of all organisations, to ensure they don't say something that will upset someone?
Is it against the law, to say something that will offend someone, if so there are laws to cover it?
Do I agree with their beliefs? not many, most are fairy tales.

I have been subject to derision,in the public arena, by you today and it hasn't upset me.
So I guess it isn't in my nature, to get too wound up, I'm more of a live and let live kind of person.

 

[wayneL]

Court's statement was regarding biological males playing against biological females being unfair, was it not (haven't really been paying that much attention so correct me if I'm wrong)?

I would have thought that that was a matter of scientific fact rather than any ancient belief. Absolutely fair comment and nothing to do with bullying whatsoever.

 

[sptrawler]

Court's statement was regarding biological males playing against biological females being unfair, was it not (haven't really been paying that much attention so correct me if I'm wrong)?

I would have thought that that was a matter of scientific fact rather than any ancient belief. Absolutely fair comment and nothing to do with bullying whatsoever.

From what i read, tennis is thinking about recognising transgender players in their chosen gender, Margaret Court said it will cause a lot of problems in women's tennis.
The headline said she condemns trans athletes.
This article probably explains the problems Court was talking about.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...nya-south-africa-race-final-800m-testosterone

 

[IFocus]

I thought this was the Australian way. Try and spoil the fun for everyone so we can go back to whinging about everything and being pissed off.

I may get bashed for this, but IMO Aussies are the greatest spoilsports and fun wreckers of all the nations on Earth. Remember when we used to accuse the Poms of being whingers? Now it's the Aussies who are the world champion whingers. No other nation even comes close. We have refined the art form.

I hope not different views are always welcome the answers not so much

I agree about the whinging but suspect we would disagree as to what about.

I think good Australian traits still around is a healthy cynicism and back yard cricket

 

[sptrawler]

I hope not different views are always welcome the answers not so much

I agree about the whinging but suspect we would disagree as to what about.

I think good Australian traits still around is a healthy cynicism and back yard cricket

As long as you don't have sand paper in your pocket, it doesn't work on a tennis ball anyway.

 

[IFocus]

As long as you don't have sand paper in your pocket, it doesn't work on a tennis ball anyway.

I usually just spike the drinks..........win at all cost

 

[Smurf1976]

I'll simply say that I disagree with many things but consider that restricting the right of others to express their views is a slippery slope any benefits of which are outweighed by the risks.

Gag one thing now then it's something else and so on. That seems like a very dangerous concept to be silencing dissent.

For clarity though well I generally don't agree with churches on just about anything. OK, they have a point with the "treat each other nicely" stuff but beyond that count me out and I'm firmly in the liberal minded camp of people making their own decisions.

Israel Folau - hell no he's far too conservative. Stuff that it sounds way too boring.

Same sex marriage - was there ever a valid "no" argument? That one should've been sorted in the 1990's.

Euthanasia - why isn't this one sorted yet? Just get it done, there's no valid argument for pain and suffering just legalize it ASAP and by no later than the end of January right across the country.

Pill testing - just do it. I've zero interest, never done any illegal drugs whatsoever but reality is it's happening, attempts to stop it have failed, so may as well minimise the harm so far as possible. That doesn't mean I support legalising drugs though - there's a difference between accepting something as inevitable to some extent versus giving up altogether. All possible efforts should still be made to break the supply chain because it ruins lives oh yes it does.

Sex work - amazing there's still an issue with legalising it in some parts of the country. Just do it but keep criminals away from owning brothels and don't put them next to primary schools and so on. No reason they shouldn't advertise what they are though just do it sensibly.

Abortion - I'm in the pro choice camp firmly.

So I wouldn't win too many supporters from the morally conservative camp but I'll defend their right to express their views in a peaceful manner. Emphasis there on the word "peaceful" which they usually are.

As for the current situation - set the crackers off but the event should have been used to raise money for the families of actual victims (lives lost) of the fires. Ask everyone to donate $5 as a minimum.

 

[macca]

Having read a few articles about 110kg "females" playing AFL and other sports it would seem that if those identifying as female choose to contest olympic events then those actually born female can forget about training for the Olympics.

Various places now allow the option of changing ones legal sex simply by filling in a form, I am surprised that the feminists have allowed this to happen as it will quickly spoil many of their gains.

If we use tennis as an example, even though they only play 60% of the games that men do they are now playing for the same prize money as men. Equality at last or is it preferable treatment at last (60% effort, 100% money) but anyway, imagine if all the men outside the top 100 all change their sex to female and contest the ladies tournament.

The feminists would be in an uproar wouldn't they ?

 

[sptrawler]

Court's statement was regarding biological males playing against biological females being unfair, was it not (haven't really been paying that much attention so correct me if I'm wrong)?

I would have thought that that was a matter of scientific fact rather than any ancient belief. Absolutely fair comment and nothing to do with bullying whatsoever.

It wasn't long ago, that women would have been banned for a long time, for high testosterone levels.
Funny how everything that was black and white, now becomes shades of grey.

 

[sptrawler]

Having read a few articles about 110kg "females" playing AFL and other sports it would seem that if those identifying as female choose to contest olympic events then those actually born female can forget about training for the Olympics.

Various places now allow the option of changing ones legal sex simply by filling in a form, I am surprised that the feminists have allowed this to happen as it will quickly spoil many of their gains.

If we use tennis as an example, even though they only play 60% of the games that men do they are now playing for the same prize money as men. Equality at last or is it preferable treatment at last (60% effort, 100% money) but anyway, imagine if all the men outside the top 100 all change their sex to female and contest the ladies tournament.

The feminists would be in an uproar wouldn't they ?

Apparently not Rob reckons, the GOD MADE US THAT WAY, doesn't cut it.
Just another brain fart in my opinion, but having said that I would go along with it, because if you can't cut it on the men's tour play the trans card. lol
Having said that, Rob will have a ripper of a reply, I'm losing sleep waiting for it.

 

[cynic]

Sharyl has some interesting insights into, amongst other things, the origins of the phrase "fake news":