Fake news and its effect on the community

[cynic]

And in more recent news:

https://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/176408/7-foot-belgians-can-hear-the-past/#more-176408

 

[moXJO]

As usual, a vacuous claim with nothing to support it except for your own assertions!

Says the guy unable to look for himself.....

 

[sptrawler]

Politicians starting to get serious about fake news.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...elections-facebook-social-media-a8140721.html

amazing what you can find on the internet, while waiting to head off for Christmas lunch.lol

 

[rederob]

amazing what you can find on the internet, while waiting to head off for Christmas lunch.lol

... took another year before you got talking turkey again .
Enjoy!

 

[cynic]

Speaking of turkeys, it appears that these two (Bread and Butter) were honoured with pardons from POTUS, last thanksgiving!

https://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/201...rkeys-mocks-impeachment-hearings-media-video/

How lucky can two birds get! Just when they thought that their cheaps were down and that they were about to be thoroughly plucked, along came Don to pardon them of all those Trumped up charges!

 

[basilio]

The difference between lies and Bullxhit


Understand the difference between lies and bull**** — it matters

Philosopher Harry Frankfurt famously drew a distinction between lies and what he termed "bull****".

A lie is an untruth, but it is still tied to a fact. It is the corruption of the fact. bull**** is speech with no basis in fact, in truth. Many of us think we live in an age of lies, when in fact we live in an age of bull****.

bull**** is like belief, its embrace affords no room for questioning.

Frankfurt's notion of bull**** can help us better understand the nature of modern politics, advertising, news and even science (think climate change denial or anti-vaxxers).

It's important for the future because it underpins the futility of trying to convince people with facts alone, because if you're persuaded by bull****, facts don't matter.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12...chnology-antony-funnell-future-tense/11773096

 

[cynic]

https://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/176534/bad-luck-befalls-book-of-job-the-musical/#more-176534

 

[Smurf1976]

Philosopher Harry Frankfurt famously drew a distinction between lies and what he termed "bull****".

A lie is an untruth, but it is still tied to a fact. It is the corruption of the fact. bull**** is speech with no basis in fact, in truth.

A lie can also be an honest mistake, misinterpretation of the situation or simply failing to distinguish a soundly based expectation from hard fact whereas BS is always BS.

 

[rederob]

A lie can also be an honest mistake, misinterpretation of the situation or simply failing to distinguish a soundly based expectation from hard fact whereas BS is always BS.

Not in the English language, that is if you are correctly using English.
Lies have intentionality.
You described errors, mistakes, misinterpretations and even omissions which never purposely intended to mislead. Our language has words for these contexts which are reasoned and explanatory.

 

[wayneL]

The difference between lies and Bullxhit


Understand the difference between lies and bull**** — it matters

Philosopher Harry Frankfurt famously drew a distinction between lies and what he termed "bull****".

A lie is an untruth, but it is still tied to a fact. It is the corruption of the fact. bull**** is speech with no basis in fact, in truth. Many of us think we live in an age of lies, when in fact we live in an age of bull****.

bull**** is like belief, its embrace affords no room for questioning.

Frankfurt's notion of bull**** can help us better understand the nature of modern politics, advertising, news and even science (think climate change denial or anti-vaxxers).

It's important for the future because it underpins the futility of trying to convince people with facts alone, because if you're persuaded by bull****, facts don't matter.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12...chnology-antony-funnell-future-tense/11773096

That's actually quite funny coming from the suppository (sic) of all Guardianista "truth"

 

[basilio]

That's actually quite funny coming from the suppository (sic) of all Guardianista "truth"

Wayne given your total disregard of reality I would have thought you could appreciate the finer points of difference between deliberate or inadvertent lies/misrepresentations /whatever and people just opening their mouth and spilling out utter BS most of the time.

 

[sptrawler]

Wayne given your total disregard of reality I would have thought you could appreciate the finer points of difference between deliberate or inadvertent lies/misrepresentations /whatever and people just opening their mouth and spilling out utter BS most of the time.

Well here we go again, underlining your very words Bas.
Out come the pitchforks and the cross eyed mob, to attack Margaret Court yet again.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/margar...tralia-recognition-looms-20191230-p53nji.html

From the article:
"And you know with that LGBT, they'll wish they never put the T on the end of it because, particularly in women's sports, they're going to have so many problems".

So that was the condemns trans athletes comment, well it seems like a pretty sensible comment to me, if they end up winning all the money in women's tennis there will be hell to pay IMO. So to speak.

 

[wayneL]

Wayne given your total disregard of reality I would have thought you could appreciate the finer points of difference between deliberate or inadvertent lies/misrepresentations /whatever and people just opening their mouth and spilling out utter BS most of the time.

Are you intentionally try to cause my guffaws?

I mean you do have a point, but the hilarious part is that you don't see that you and the left are 90% of the problem.

 

[rederob]

From the article:
"And you know with that LGBT, they'll wish they never put the T on the end of it because, particularly in women's sports, they're going to have so many problems".

So that was the condemns trans athletes comment, well it seems like a pretty sensible comment to me, if they end up winning all the money in women's tennis there will be hell to pay IMO. So to speak.

Margaret Court also said “God made us that way.”
Please think through the logic of that comment.
It implies that this magical God either forgot s/he made us this way, does not care s/he did, does not care about the consequences, or really intended that people can be transgender after they are born.
In other words, those like Court who ascribe to the idea that God has a plan for us all must have included all of us in that plan to begin.
Of course the corollary is that God is fictional and we choose our own destiny.

 

[cynic]

And in more recent news:

https://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/176654/war-on-new-years-is-on/#more-176654

 

[sptrawler]

Margaret Court also said “God made us that way.”
Please think through the logic of that comment.
It implies that this magical God either forgot s/he made us this way, does not care s/he did, does not care about the consequences, or really intended that people can be transgender after they are born.
In other words, those like Court who ascribe to the idea that God has a plan for us all must have included all of us in that plan to begin.
Of course the corollary is that God is fictional and we choose our own destiny.

I agree with your last comment, but I also think Margaret Court should be allowed to have her own opinion, as we do.
Also she should be allowed to voice them, to a congregation which want to hear her opinion, without the press trying to whip up hysteria.

 

[rederob]

I agree with your last comment, but I also think Margaret Court should be allowed to have her own opinion, as we do.
Also she should be allowed to voice them, to a congregation which want to hear her opinion, without the press trying to whip up hysteria.

Nothing stops people saying stupid things.
Nothing stops people from saying that others say stupid things.
As a West Australian I idolised her in the era she played and would have loved to see her become a role model to women in sport instead of a female Folau.

 

[sptrawler]

Nothing stops people saying stupid things.
Nothing stops people from saying that others say stupid things.
As a West Australian I idolised her in the era she played and would have loved to see her become a role model to women in sport instead of a female Folau.

It is a bit unfortunate, I don't like anyone trying to push their beliefs on me, whether they be religious, sexual or anything else. They can believe what they like and they can say it to anyone who wants to listen, but I'm not interested.
As for her and Folau, if people want to go to their church and hear what they say, they can, if people don't like what they hear, ignore it or go to a different church.
Just my opinion, but there are way too many bullies out there at the moment and they are getting away with way too much.
The more the bullies get away with, the more the boundaries are pushed and more take up bullying.
It becomes the prefered option, because at the moment it is extremely successful, eventually it will have to be curbed.
Just my opinion.

 

[rederob]

Just my opinion, but there are way too many bullies out there at the moment and they are getting away with way too much.
The more the bullies get away with, the more the boundaries are pushed and more take up bullying.
It becomes the prefered option, because at the moment it is extremely successful, eventually it will have to be curbed.
Just my opinion.

We are all different, but it does not give others a right to disrespect us, for any reason, and that's what the likes of Court and Folau have been doing.
It's your opinion that it is the Folaus and Courts of the world who are being "bullied," and it is the opinion of those they speak ill of who in fact consider it is they who are being bullied.
This is the 21st century and we still have people who can command media attention to spread their bile on those they do not understand.
You have a warped view of who is doing the bullying and have never had to live your life facing regular scorn or persecution. And here you are happy condone celebrities who abide by an ancient book of mostly fiction while suggesting that people who call out the real bullies are "getting away with it."

 

[sptrawler]

We are all different, but it does not give others a right to disrespect us, for any reason, and that's what the likes of Court and Folau have been doing.
It's your opinion that it is the Folaus and Courts of the world who are being "bullied," and it is the opinion of those they speak ill of who in fact consider it is they who are being bullied.
This is the 21st century and we still have people who can command media attention to spread their bile on those they do not understand.
You have a warped view of who is doing the bullying and have never had to live your life facing regular scorn or persecution. And here you are happy condone celebrities who abide by an ancient book of mostly fiction while suggesting that people who call out the real bullies are "getting away with it."

If it wasn't given airplay, no one would know anything about it, except for the few that visit the Church they are in and probably hold the same belief.
The ones who want to force them to change their beliefs, have the ear of the whole nation and use it to good effect.
But I know you love to argue, so I will leave it.