Fake news and its effect on the community

[qldfrog]

I supported Folau and even donated: i i consid his saying was pure BS as i am a non believer, but i defend the right for him to day it outaide his work place
I would not have agreed for him to say that, at the opening of a game after the anthem.
And the firey can say whatever he wants but non in uniform on the "workplace".i think it is clear cut even if inconvenient

Of course scomo who had no control on the RFS can be blamed while no one ever mention our own Labour state leader in Switzerland while our state was burning...and while she actually had a non symbolic role to play.
The same people who crucify scomo are the same ones who idolized the NZ pm feeding her baby in the parliament
Family first but not if you are a bastard Australian liberal...
A few decades ago, i think Labour voters could see that, not anymore with the black and white approach
A pity

 

[SirRumpole]

I supported Folau and even donated: i i consid his saying was pure BS as i am a non believer, but i defend the right for him to day it outaide his work place
I would not have agreed for him to say that, at the opening of a game after the anthem.
And the firey can say whatever he wants but non in uniform on the "workplace".i think it is clear cut even if inconvenient

Of course scomo who had no control on the RFS can be blamed while no one ever mention our own Labour state leader in Switzerland while our state was burning...and while she actually had a non symbolic role to play.
The same people who crucify scomo are the same ones who idolized the NZ pm feeding her baby in the parliament
Family first but not if you are a bastard Australian liberal...
A few decades ago, i think Labour voters could see that, not anymore with the black and white approach
A pity

OK, so are you criticising both SloMo and Anna, one of them or neither ?

The same criticism should apply to both imo.

 

[moXJO]

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The same people who crucify scomo are the same ones who idolized the NZ pm feeding her baby in the parliament

Jacinda Arden is toast. Terrible leader who failed on every measure except her b.s. sjw persona. NZ is generally unforgiving when it comes to that type of thing.

 

[wayneL]

Jacinda Arden is toast. Terrible leader who failed on every measure except her b.s. sjw persona. NZ is generally unforgiving when it comes to that type of thing.

She has always been an illegitimate PM and I hope Winston pays dearly for that particular indiscretion

 

[SirRumpole]

Jacinda Arden is toast. Terrible leader who failed on every measure except her b.s. sjw persona. NZ is generally unforgiving when it comes to that type of thing.

Yes well, Trudeau was toast as well as I recall.

I'm not really up with NZ potty licks, have the other side got a decent leader ?

 

[qldfrog]

OK, so are you criticising both SloMo and Anna, one of them or neither ?

The same criticism should apply to both imo.

Anna is in charge of fire services, scomo is not
So at the very least as much and probably more justified criticism of Anna first

 

[basilio]

The big story at the moment is the viral spread of the doco Plandemic.
All we need to see now is Trump re tweeting a supportive tweet and this could go anywhere.
It wouldn't be a surprise would it.

Plandemic: how the debunked movie by discredited researcher Judy Mikovits went viral
Jason Wilson
Australia’s response to the coronavirus pandemic has been better than most but the ‘infodemic’ presents another challenge as millions watch conspiracy theory video online

The coronavirus emergency, and the pressure cooker of the lockdowns, have fused a number of conspiracy theories in the minds of believers. They have also drawn a number of conspiracy-minded movements closer together.

A snippet of an upcoming film, Plandemic, went viral with astonishing speed when it was released last week. In the process, it showed how false beliefs generated within the anti-vaxxer movement have become interwoven with familiar far-right conspiracy narratives.

It also demonstrated that by combining the efforts of grassroots believers and charismatic influencers, anti-vaxxers have become adept at producing and disseminating viral propaganda to mainstream audiences.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ow-debunked-conspiracy-theory-film-went-viral

 

[basilio]

So this is interesting....
There has been a growing campaign to make Facebook accountable for false and outrageous claims made on Facebook. For example should people be able to claim George Floyd death was a fake and that he attended his own funereal. (For real..)

Mark Zuckerberg has been reticent at changing Facebook policies even after many of his staff protested at Facebook allowing widespread lies and misinformation to proliferate.

One of the forces behind the campaign has been companies deciding to withdraw their advertising from Facebook until Mark reassess his position. Clearly this hits the bottom line.

So today the big news as that Unilever the giant international consumer good manufacturer, decided to join the boycott.


Facebook to tag ‘harmful’ posts as boycott widens

Facebook has said it will start to label potentially harmful posts that it leaves up because of their news value.
The more hands-on approach comes as the social media firm is under pressure to improve how it moderates the content on its platform, including posts by US President Donald Trump.
More than 90 advertisers have joined a boycott of the site.
Consumer goods giant Unilever on Friday added its name to the list, citing a "polarized election period" in the US.


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...ended-his-own-funeral-are-false-idUSKBN23H2IK

 

[bellenuit]

So today the big news as that Unilever the giant international consumer good manufacturer, decided to join the boycott.

Facebook to tag ‘harmful’ posts as boycott widens

Dow fell 2.8% overnight, NASDAQ 2.6, but Facebook a whopping 8.3%. The bottom line counts.

 

[wayneL]

Faceache has been treading the raggedy line between platform and publisher for ages. If they get too censorious, and they are already, then I can see it's demise. I have already cancelled my account.

Although it was handy for keeping in touch with colleagues, it no longer provides any benefit to my business.

Same with Tw@tter and many are hyping Parler as a free speech alternative.

I stay on Tw@tter purely for fintwit, otherwise I'd be out of that too.

 

[moXJO]

The moment they start censoring I think they are classed as publishers or something and can be sued. Don't quote me on that, but it was along those lines. There is some kind of line anyway.

 

[macca]

The moment they start censoring I think they are classed as publishers or something and can be sued. Don't quote me on that, but it was along those lines. There is some kind of line anyway.

About time someone stood up to them, amazing how they lose stories that don't suit their political bias, just like all other media who are liable, so should they be

 

[Knobby22]

Publishing a link to the truth is not censoring though.

Many people have set it up so that there is no negative feedback.like in physics this pushes them to the right or left.

Lies and exaggerations are promulgated and if anyone points out inconsistencies they will be ignored. Left or right.

News services are being ignored.

The government around the world are aware of this and are very worried. I am very worried.

At least ASF doesn't work like this.

 

[qldfrog]

Publishing a link to the truth is not censoring though.

Many people have set it up so that there is no negative feedback.like in physics this pushes them to the right or left.

Lies and exaggerations are promulgated and if anyone points out inconsistencies they will be ignored. Left or right.

News services are being ignored.

The government around the world are aware of this and are very worried. I am very worried.

At least ASF doesn't work like this.

Well for ASF, i ignore the feedback from a few posters...
But your point is right, if you only listen to one side, you can not expect building a fair opinion, we all agree.notice i i e building, not having or parroting

 

[basilio]

Publishing a link to the truth is not censoring though.

The "Truth " Knobby ? Your truth ? , my truth ? The truth as spoken by the Son of God (in the Black House ) which is faithfully followed by multi million followers.

The truth of White Supremacy ? That our Western Civilization is being threatened by the swarming dark heathen/Islamic masses.

The truth of Fake science that is spooking everyone with tales of Global Warming which are just fantasies of easily spooked, gullibile lefties who don't understand the way the world works.

The Truth of anti-vaccinators who KNOW that "Medical science" is destroying the lives of our children with their deadly vaccines.

The Truth of those who KNOW that children were never killed in those school shootings, that George Floyd was never slowly killed in public but in fact saw his own funeral. That all thse mass shootings are done by actors and the Deep State.

We live in a post-truth world. The determined denial of reality, the trashing of evidence, the creation and promotion of deliberate false narratives without consequence is well and truly alive.

As the Son of God so aptly prophesied.
"I can shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th Avenue and and not lose voters"

 

[basilio]

if you only listen to one side, you can not expect building a fair opinion,

The trouble with that view qldfrog is that some things have a singular answer. And building a "fair opinion" is meaningless if it ignores basic realities.

 

[Knobby22]

We are not in a post fact world Bas.
The truth is still out there.

The young are relatively immune.
That is my hope Bas. As long as they engage.

 

[Smurf1976]

We are not in a post fact world Bas.
The truth is still out there.

The truth is out there but someone could pick any random news item and then spend the next week getting to the bottom of what's true and what's not.

In practice very few will know what's true and what's not unless they're either working in a directly relevant field or have a strong personal interest in the subject. For the rest, well, who has the time to really delve into whether the ABC's funding is being cut or whether the fire brigade needs more helicopters or whatever?

Even with really trivial things, celebrities and so on, it's not hard to find widespread misunderstanding. For example, just pick any band that's had a member leave or die but the remaining members carried on with or without a replacement. Now go on YouTube and find their most recent music. Now read the comments from all the people complaining that they left the departed or dead member out of the video. Never mind that they left the band or died a decade ago.

Now go and find really old videos of the same band and read the comments from people claiming they must have had surgery because they look so young. Well the video was filmed in 1993 after all so yeah, they were younger back then than they are now that's true. Plenty of people can't work that bit out though, they don't grasp that something being filmed in 1993 means it actually is 27 years old and that everyone in it is 27 years younger than they are now. Oddly enough the music sounds quite dated now too. Funny that.

That's a really trivial example that should be easy for someone to get right. If someone knows enough about the band to know who's in it then how did they miss the bit that one of them left or died years ago? A trivial example but should be easy to get right.

Now if the average person can't work out who's in a band, a subject which is easily understood with a brief bit of research and where it's unlikely that anyone's going to say something untrue, well they've got no chance of verifying anything far more serious such as physics or economics where the subject itself is difficult to grasp and there's a deliberate attempt to mislead.

The truth is out there, I'm not denying that, just suggesting that most people won't seek to find it on most subjects and that even with really trivial examples, eg the band example, there's often ignorance in practice.

 

[qldfrog]

Jonathan Pie, one of my sources of opinions..probably a fox news stooge @bellenuit , something @basilio should take into account.
I believe it is relevant as per fake news link and left behaviour
If you do not know him @Knobby22 , i highly recommend for a reasonable leftist comedy
Note: UK centric..

 

[Knobby22]

Yes, love him.
He appears on the ABCs The Weekly as the UK correspondent sometimes.

He is very funny.

He takes it all on. The Royals and the Conservative Party aren't safe from him either.

Definitely not a Fox stooge repeating right wing mantra, way better than that.