End of the China bull?

[satanoperca]

Notting, while I like some of your posts, I am wondering, why you dislike for all things Chinese.

I then wonder, if I did an audit on you, are some of you clothes, kitchen appliances, car parts, shoes, furniture, tv and electronic equipment etc made in China.

While I agree, that a lot of stuff made in China is crap, they are just meeting the market, people want cheap so they produce cheap.

Consumers have a choice, but they choose on price, I cannot and you cannot change peoples mindset.

So I ask you this, if China is so bad, name me a country that is better and looking after their own and the rest of the world and please do not say the USA, as they (1%) has arse f--ked the other 99% in the name of democracy to toooo long

 

[notting]

Every country on earth.

 

[satanoperca]

Every country on earth.

Really, that was your reply

 

[notting]

Really, that was your reply

Your questions are to stupid to warrant more, I can't be bothered
e.g -
WOW blow me away! - You actually think I wouldn't be across the made in China crap

 

[satanoperca]

Don't know, your hatred is so strong. Just thought I would ask, but seem to have struck a raw nerve as you quickly look at the labels on all your clothing.

As for the comment, stupid, gives me in insight into your post, there is never a stupid question, just a stupid answer.

Keep up your hatred, it will do your health well

 

[notting]

It's compassion for the people and the animals that they torture to death on a daily basis on an unimaginable scale that drives what I post about China.
Oh, and the issue of 'Engaging China in trade' was addressed by Nixen, I was across that then!
'Looking at a label' - Insulting.
Read the thread from about 10 pages back. ALL OF IT.

 

[satanoperca]

Okay, that is up to you.
But with replies like this "Your questions are to stupid to warrant more, I can't be bothered", your comments and posts which I have found interesting and sometimes informative go into the bin.

It's compassion for the people and the animals that they torture to death on a daily basis on an unimaginable scale that drives what I post about China.

there is 1.3B of them, I wonder as a % are we any different, if not worse.

 

[notting]

there is 1.3B of them, I wonder as a % are we any different, if not worse.

You just don't seem to have the ability to think.
So to help you with your 'wondering'
This is what worst looks like - We don't do this to our innocent and most peaceful citizens -

We don't do this and worse on a massive scale to our cats and dogs -

They are laughing toward the end -

https://fightdogmeat.com/videos-china-graphic/

We don't round up our most honourable citizens who cannot be corrupted and harverst their organs.


So pull your head out of your arse and -

WONDER NO MORE.

PS. they are fully engaged in coming for Australia and every other nation. Make NO mistake about it, it's not the kind of mistake you want to make -


The whole of Chinese society is a threat to all of US!!!
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-threat-to-america-fbi-director-warns-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

 

[CanOz]

One of the best articles on what's wrong with china's plan that I've seen to date....

https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/China-is-losing-the-new-Cold-War

 

[luutzu]

One of the best articles on what's wrong with china's plan that I've seen to date....

https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/China-is-losing-the-new-Cold-War

Sorry but it's quite bad. He's wrong on a lot of things, first of which is history of why the Soviet collapsed.

Well... that's according to historians I've heard from various docu and interviews... and a bit about other lectures I've seen about imperial this and that.

I thought the Soviets collapsed becuase of its arms race with the US/Reagan too. But a few US historians have said that the Soviet knew the moment the arms race started that it's a joke they shouldn't follow.

The Soviet leadership even brought back from Siberia a couple intellectual to hear their point regarding the arms race. They said that even if the US managed to build that Star Wars system, it could easily be overcome by firing massive barrage at a target or two. Problem solved.

I think it was the late prof Wolin [?] in an interview with Chris Hedges saying that when Gorbachev release the locked archived of Soviet adventures overseas, the peasants were seriously horrified and demand an end of the spreading of "socialism" abroad.

I'm sure that's oversiplifying it but yea, weren't due to them going broke because of Socialism or the arms race. Too much corruption, cronyism and imperial over-reach... on top of an angry mob; the forfeiting of East Germany to be united with a promise (taht weren't kept) from Bush Senior to not have Germany become a member of NATO nor move NATO "one inch to the East". They're now at the border.

The thing is, if you take Mr. Pei's thesis for the collapse of empire, it would more appropriately apply to the American one than the Chinese one.

For one, China's military, according to Pei, spend some $275B - i.e. a lot more than the official $125B or so... That's a lot for sure. But compare that to the American $726B this current budget.

That $726B doesn't include the black-ops, the nukes renewal programmes; the space force; the veteran affairs etc. If it's all include, the US taxpayers is looking at at least $1Trillion a year.

While that might be peanuts if the yank can keep paying it with their printed money. But given their debt level, the paper money backed by American prestige... What were to happen if no body around the world buy the greenbacks as a currency reserve; or oil no longer trade in US dollars?


As to the Belt and Road Initiatives... Pei's analysis is pretty shallow. And that's coming from me, who watches YouTube.

You just do not count investment of such scale in terms of dollars and cents. If you do, you do not count the return within the same year or construction cycle period.

Imagine the efficiency gains; the reduction in air pollution, fuel reduction etc. from high speed rail; freeways; roads and bridges, tunnels. And that's just domestically.

Internationally... as some founder of modern-day political scientist pointed out back in 1900s - McKinder? - Those who manage to control Euro-Asia, controls the world.

That while control of sea ports and trade routes are important... most of the world's population are located on the Euro-Asian landmass. It's one continent. Separated by a massive desert between Europe and Asia... but it's a single landmass.

Han China managed to equal or superceded imperial Rome from a dusty old Silk Road to the West.

China's rails and roads linking it with S/E Asia, with the Middle East, Russia, Eastern Europe, into Europe... That's having the world by the nuts.

Then there's its ambition in the seas... connecting a trade/military maritime route into Africa.

Most important, I think, is that most of the places China is working in... Africa, the Pacific and other small nations... They have all experience Western/American imperialism. They haven't seen the Chinese flavour yet.

So Chinese "diplomats" and friendly faces might be more believable than a White one. That and since the other guy have been using the bombs to keep the peace... China is forced to be more diplomatic, more generous. That's how you let people in to take your stuff.

 

[notting]

They have all experience Western/American imperialism.

This is just such Chomsky and CCP brainwashed BS.
The US is the least imperial of any nation in history relative to it's capacity.
Further there is more discontent with the evil ways China conducts itself in the countries it is selling debt enslavement to and abusing the local workers even at these early stages of its far more 'imperialistic' initiatives.
People and administrations are wising up to it because it's so brazenly brutal and despicable. The CCP is so used to getting away with it's extremes of evil against it's own people and the helpless nations it is occupying that their ideas of subtle or soft power grabs are not seen as soft by other nations in the same way at all.

 

[luutzu]

This is just such Chomsky brainwashed BS.
The US is the least imperial of any nation in history relative to it's capacity.
Further there is more discontent with the evil ways China conducts itself in the countries it is selling debt enslavement to and abusing the local workers even at these early stages of its far more 'imperialistic' initiatives.
People and administrations are wising up to it.

Chomsky is a great historian and scholar. He's made out to be some sort of loonie leftwing nutjob because he's critical of the US and "capitalism".

The US was born as an imperial project. The thirteen colonies of Britain; that war for independence soon follow the purchase from French holdings; then the annexation of Spain's Florida, Cuba and various holdings in the Caribbean. Then the onward march West, further annexing land from Mexico right after a civil war put a pause to the ambition.

That's not mentioning the almost total eradication of the Native Americans.

All that was done in the span of about 150 years.

China is the same... starts off as a tiny Chou; broke up into various feudal states fighting each other for 800 freaking years until the first emperor unify it again.

Then onward and outward... massacring weaker barbarians, a couple decades with each other, then more barbarians until the Gweilo sent them a few shiploads of opium backed with plenty of gunboat diplomacy.

China's expansion took some 3000 years. The USA took about 150 years to gain a similar landmass.

Then things really got into high gear during WWI, then WWII... after which Uncle Sam almost completely dominate the world.

That's not Chomsky talking. That's just historical facts and current event.

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Of course China is expanding and have imperial ambition. No one's denying that. And I'm not excusing it or saying they'll be a kinder, more gentler master.

But to say China as an imperial power will be worst than another, say the US... that's just not factual.

They'll be just as brutal where they can; and be more behind the scene where they must.

Take the example of "debt enslavement" by the Chinese.

That's what the US have been doing all these decades through the World Bank and the IMF. That's what the EU troika is doing to weaker EU countries like Greece, Italy, Spain... and many more I haven't read about.

 

[notting]

A group of #Kazakh mothers from East #Turkistan who hold pictures of their detained husbands , sons and gathered in front of #Chinese consulate in Almaty city of #Kazakhstan. The mothers demand Chinese government to release their husbands, sons and relatives and also shutdown the concentration camps. At result , A Chinese Consular Officer threatens to the mothers and say " You come here illegally and that those who organize this event will be held accountable by the law ". .......



Not even Tigers are safe from the inbred Han psychopaths - The Chinese

When I first saw this horrific photo quite a while ago. I had no idea what was going on or what it was about. Just one word came to my mind CHINA. and then I read the story and the word was 100% accurate. It wasn't the US, or colonial France or England. No way!

Who else could come up with such a sick and demented idea like starving a tiger will make it's piss more potent for you to drink and become a stronger man.
Or that ripping a rhinos horn off it's head will make you more virile because the animal is big and it's shaped like an erect dick.
Or that cutting off the fins of sharks will make a good soup the list is endless.
Not to mention the doctors eating human embryos after forced abortions because it will make them live longer. - you know get the young human meat into you sonny.

South Korean customs officials recently seized thousands of pills filled with powdered human baby flesh arriving from China. Since August 2011, South Korean officials have intercepted more than 17000 pills smuggled from China.

South Korean officials became aware of a horrific practice of eating aborted fetuses after Seoul Broadcasting System showed a documentary on Chinese doctors who performed abortions and then ate the fetuses. One Chinese doctor on the documentary took out fetuses from his refrigerator

 

[notting]

 

[notting]

I told you they are far more racist than we are.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/world/africa/kenya-china-racism.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/world

 

[notting]

$6 trillion US$ of local government debt may be lurking under the surface in China: S&P

Gee, fancy that. Who'd of thought?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/16/china-hidden-local-government-debt-could-be-6-trillion-sp.html

 

[notting]

We Own You - 'One China'
The NYT article features testimony from a variety of Kenyans who say they've experienced blatant racism from their Chinese employers, and have been segregated from Chinese employees.
Soon to be slaves -
"In Nairobi, workers in their 20s and 30s swap stories of racism or discrimination they have witnessed. One described watching a Chinese manager slap her Kenyan colleague, who was also a woman, for a minor mistake. Other Kenyan workers explained how their office bathrooms were separated by race: one for Chinese employees, the other for Kenyans," the article states.

 

[notting]

China is locking up hundreds of thousands of Muslims without trial in its western region of Xinjiang.
The Chinese Communist Party denies the claims, saying people willingly attend special “vocational schools” which combat “terrorism and religious extremism”.


One of the most pressing human rights concerns of our age.
A massive, highly secure compound newly built in a Chinese desert away from where anyone would bother to visit - is a newly enclosed concentration camp with a 2km-long exterior wall punctuated by 16 guard towers. It's the world biggest concentration camp. with a grater capacity than all the concentration camps in Germany during the time of Hitler.
This is just one!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps

 

[luutzu]

China is locking up hundreds of thousands of Muslims without trial in its western region of Xinjiang.
The Chinese Communist Party denies the claims, saying people willingly attend special “vocational schools” which combat “terrorism and religious extremism”.


One of the most pressing human rights concerns of our age.
A massive, highly secure compound newly built in a Chinese desert away from where anyone would bother to visit - is a newly enclosed concentration camp with a 2km-long exterior wall punctuated by 16 guard towers. It's the world biggest concentration camp. with a grater capacity than all the concentration camps in Germany during the time of Hitler.
This is just one!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps

Didn't hear much, if anything, about this.

Way too many Western corporate interests in China for the media to take it on or what?

Wait til Google goes back into bed with China. What re-education camp on what map?

 

[notting]

Here is the real map of China if you want to see a real map, not the fake one that everyone uses these days to placate them.

Here are some pictures of the concentration camp that is bigger than all of Hitlers put together.
Whilst pretending to the world that they were closing the camps and making grand shows of such they have been secretly buiding them in remote areas. This is better than a map it's a PHOTO -

Here's a photo a little later

Here's some of th nicer thing they do to nuns in the camps -

Round the clock rape of nuns who they also force to dress in military outfits for their brainwashing sessions

Have you forgotten how to click on a link?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps
Yeah but keep on blaming Western companies for doing business with China, that's where the fault really lies.