End of the China bull?

[OmegaTrader]

CCP Peddling hard to hide the collapse - Merry Christmas for the Han Psychopaths.- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...a-outflows-rising-in-both-yuan-payments-forex

CCP Peddling hard to hide the collapse - Merry Christmas for the Han Psychopaths.- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...a-outflows-rising-in-both-yuan-payments-forex

I don't why you that China so much...

If you keep saying it will crash eventually you will be correct.
But they have a lot of leavers that other countries cannot use.

I wonder whether they are as bad as the media keep saying or whether all societies around the world as as bad as each other, everybody is self interested,

Just variations of grey.

Wasn't it the US banking system that caused the GFC and forced our government to use stimulus.
That forced Australia's reserve bank to print more money.
It accelerated Australia's budget deficit.
Goldman didn't help us, local councils and pension funds lost money because of their recklessness.
What happens, the lawyers get 50-75% of the money lost in cases after Goldman denies all wrongdoing and loses the case.

Isn't it US companies that are the biggest abusers our taxation system with offshore companies.
Google Chevron.....
Forcing the burden onto personal income tax.

China was the one who helped us with demand and business during the GFC not the US.

China provides us with cheap goods and technology that improve standard of living.

 

[notting]

But they have a lot of leavers that other countries cannot use.

Indeed and how -

How The Chinese Communist Party secretly operates it’s economy pretending it is improving standards making fake reports of token arrests when someone escapes!!!

China provides us with cheap goods and technology that improve standard of living.

Oh, oh, yes, cheap goods and services -

Chinese Sex slaves in Australia
If any one saw ABCs story on the Chinese sex slave syndicates it gives you an idea of what is normal for powerful Chinese. We see this as unthinkable, horrific and extreme. For them it's business!! They have not sense of human rights.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/lega...nal-sex-trafficking-rings-20111009-1lfxs.html

Merry Christmas -





Macro View
Taking a Macro View. What people don't seem to be noticing about this whole ongoing GFC is China. The roll it played to bring this all about. They kept their currency and labour costs so artificially low by using slave labour and currency manipulation to monopolized global manufacturing and cause much of the stress on countries who continued to try to play fair.
The real danger from this was that companies in countries playing by the rules would go bust or China would try to take them all over and rule the world! But most have managed to stay afloat and recapitalize. The world has been saved even though the crisis still appears to be in play.
The US has taken the first sensible step by printing money to counter what China has done for around 40 years by levelling the currency playing field, somewhat, as soon as Chinas labour costs became a little more realistic. This will counter some of the currency cheating China has been doing ( that no one will talk about openly) and allow liquidity for corporate activity when banks become confident to lend again.


The Chinese Communist Party is dropping the equivalent of 12 Hiroshima atomic bombs on it's own citizens every year and rising but in a way that doesn't get reported in the media nearly enough. - What kind of name would you give to that? That's how many die from pollution related illnesses due to the Chinese Communist Party Profiteering as the expense of the environment of it's Poeple. The Communist Party members have filtered air conditioning and property theyh can escape to all over the world. I'd say that's worse than collapse?! (And that's just one issue)

 

[OmegaTrader]

Indeed and how -

How The Chinese Communist Party secretly operates it’s economy pretending it is improving standards making fake reports of token arrests when someone escapes!!!




Oh, oh, yes, cheap goods and services -

Chinese Sex slaves in Australia
If any one saw ABCs story on the Chinese sex slave syndicates it gives you an idea of what is normal for powerful Chinese. We see this as unthinkable, horrific and extreme. For them it's business!! They have not sense of human rights.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/lega...nal-sex-trafficking-rings-20111009-1lfxs.html

Merry Christmas -





Macro View
Taking a Macro View. What people don't seem to be noticing about this whole ongoing GFC is China. The roll it played to bring this all about. They kept their currency and labour costs so artificially low by using slave labour and currency manipulation to monopolized global manufacturing and cause much of the stress on countries who continued to try to play fair.
The real danger from this was that companies in countries playing by the rules would go bust or China would try to take them all over and rule the world! But most have managed to stay afloat and recapitalize. The world has been saved even though the crisis still appears to be in play.
The US has taken the first sensible step by printing money to counter what China has done for around 40 years by levelling the currency playing field, somewhat, as soon as Chinas labour costs became a little more realistic. This will counter some of the currency cheating China has been doing ( that no one will talk about openly) and allow liquidity for corporate activity when banks become confident to lend again.


The Chinese Communist Party is dropping the equivalent of 12 Hiroshima atomic bombs on it's own citizens every year and rising but in a way that doesn't get reported in the media nearly enough. - What kind of name would you give to that? That's how many die from pollution related illnesses due to the Chinese Communist Party Profiteering as the expense of the environment of it's Poeple. The Communist Party members have filtered air conditioning and property theyh can escape to all over the world. I'd say that's worse than collapse?! (And that's just one issue)

I will ask you this?

Is the computer you are using made in China?
Are the parts of your car made in china?
Is the food that you buy from takeaways/restaurants made in china?
Are the metals and ores of the resource stocks you own sold to china?


Oh no, does that mean you have blood of your hands?????
Therefore you are complicit in china's crimes because your purchase is what drives the alleged actions outlined.




China is what pulled Australia through the GFC.

Not the US, not Europe, not democracy or politicians borrowing more debt or printing money.

Almost everybody is corrupt, almost everybody is self interested.

That is the first rule of fiance and human nature.

People get abused in Syria, Zimbabwe, Congo....
All around the world.
That is the reality.



The Communist Party members have filtered air conditioning and property theyh can escape to all over the world. I'd say that's worse than collapse?! (And that's just one issue)
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A collapse is a fall in assets prices caused by a macro economic event.

That is something I can profit from .

That is is something that I predicted/semi predicted.

It is a thesis, an idea that leads to decisions which are profitable

That is something that I invested/ traded assets in strategically.

Complain and beating china doesn't help me or the chinese people.

It is just complaining eternally and saying I told you so when something bad happens.

It's just plain depressing and fruitless.

Now if you said well xyz therefore I think chinese equities will go down or global equities will go down or chinese currency will go down then sure that would be an international market debate.

Not china is bad, they abuse people rhetoric everyday which is not directly related to any tangible outcome or investment decision.

my two cents

 

[notting]

WOW. You're still trying to justify the psychopathic Chinese Communist Party after all that.

Trying to water it down and say we on this forum or in the west are the same.
That's right out of of their sick Chinese propaganda playbook - force corruption on everyone so the Chinese Communist Party can't be held accountable, and give them justification for being able to arrest and torture anyone in China when it suits the Chinese Communist Party to enforce it's crushing power over the Chinese people and the world.
I will address all that, but for now got better things to do than debate with someone who severely overestimates the interest in his mundane insights and limited abilities.

 

[OmegaTrader]

WOW. You're still trying to justify the psychopathic Chinese Communist Party after all that.

Trying to water it down and say we on this forum or in the west are the same.
That's right out of of their sick Chinese propaganda playbook - force corruption on everyone so the Chinese Communist Party can't be held accountable, and give them justification for being able to arrest and torture anyone in China when it suits the Chinese Communist Party to enforce it's crushing power over the Chinese people and the world.
I will address all that, but for now got better things to do than debate with someone who severely overestimates the interest in his mundane insights and limited abilities.

When you can't win the ball fairly you attack the man.

I have won the ball of you fair and square.

You buy chinese goods but yet you say the chinese are the corrupt ones...


You can't answer that one, so you attack me.

Where are your clothes made
Your shoes
Your furniture
Your TV

You know that if you admit to buying chinese goods then you have lost the game.

Back to you example someone has to use the girls kept as slaves.

Maybe australians ????

I am not here to debate morality, this is an international market, not political ideology forum

I am here to make money from predictions. A crash means short as simple as that.

The rest is gobbledygook

Saying someones their ideology is bad does not help anyone in trading or making money.

 

[notting]

Beijing and other cities across northern and central China were shrouded in thick smog Monday, prompting authorities to delay dozens of flights and close highways.

The Beijing Municipal Environmental Protection Bureau extended an "orange alert" for heavy air pollution for three more days. Beijing's smog had initially been forecast to lift by Monday.

The "orange alert" is the third level, preceding a "red alert," in China's four-tiered warning system. On Sunday, 25 cities in China issued "red alerts" for smog, which triggers orders to close factories, schools and construction sites.

Air pollution readings in northern Chinese cities were many times above the World Health Organization-designated safe level of 25 micrograms per cubic meter of PM 2.5, the tiny, toxic particles that damage lung tissue. The readings exceeded 400 by Monday afternoon in several cities in the northern province of Hebei.

Expressways in Shijiazhuang, Hebei's capital, and more than a half-dozen other cities there were temporarily closed, according to notices posted on the official microblog of the province's traffic police.

In the central city of Zhengzhou, authorities ordered students from kindergarten through high school to stay home on Tuesday because of the smog.

More than 300 flights out of the northern city of Tianjin were canceled Sunday due to poor visibility.

Authorities have deployed teams of inspectors to check on polluting factories, reports said.

China has long faced some of the worst air pollution in the world, blamed on its reliance of coal for energy and factory production, as well as a surplus of older, less efficient cars on its roads.

Researchers at Germany's Max Planck institute have estimated that smog has led to 1.4 million premature deaths per year in China, while the nonprofit group Berkeley Earth in California has had a higher figure, 1.6 million.

 

[OmegaTrader]

Beijing and other cities across northern and central China were shrouded in thick smog Monday, prompting authorities to delay dozens of flights and close highways.

The Beijing Municipal Environmental Protection Bureau extended an "orange alert" for heavy air pollution for three more days. Beijing's smog had initially been forecast to lift by Monday.

The "orange alert" is the third level, preceding a "red alert," in China's four-tiered warning system. On Sunday, 25 cities in China issued "red alerts" for smog, which triggers orders to close factories, schools and construction sites.

Air pollution readings in northern Chinese cities were many times above the World Health Organization-designated safe level of 25 micrograms per cubic meter of PM 2.5, the tiny, toxic particles that damage lung tissue. The readings exceeded 400 by Monday afternoon in several cities in the northern province of Hebei.

Expressways in Shijiazhuang, Hebei's capital, and more than a half-dozen other cities there were temporarily closed, according to notices posted on the official microblog of the province's traffic police.

In the central city of Zhengzhou, authorities ordered students from kindergarten through high school to stay home on Tuesday because of the smog.

More than 300 flights out of the northern city of Tianjin were canceled Sunday due to poor visibility.

Authorities have deployed teams of inspectors to check on polluting factories, reports said.

China has long faced some of the worst air pollution in the world, blamed on its reliance of coal for energy and factory production, as well as a surplus of older, less efficient cars on its roads.

Researchers at Germany's Max Planck institute have estimated that smog has led to 1.4 million premature deaths per year in China, while the nonprofit group Berkeley Earth in California has had a higher figure, 1.6 million.

And the propaganda against China continues...

Still with no strategy or investments decisions or suggestions to be made

Just Perma bear message , China is bad

 

[notting]

Chinese Communist Party holds emergency meeting to come up with a plan as how they can blame foreigners for the catastrophic environmental neglect.

The Chinese Communist Party is dropping the equivalent of 14 Hiroshima Nuclear bombs on the Chinese people every year.

It's now a catch 22 for the Chinese Communist Party who mocked the west for caring about human rights, the people and the environment.
The Chinese Communist Party saw it as their great advantage to promote hatred, division and corruption so they could control and use the Chinese people with terror and fear and end up controlling the world via unprecedented growth.
Now they face the consequences. The dictators who run the country like a morally bankrupt corporation need to once again stimulate their economy. However this time it's a lot more tricky because this is what is happening as they do -

It's catch 22.

If you don't understand the economic relevance or the reason why 'the west' chose to participate in the Chinese economy, despite the monsters dictating terms in China, then read this thread from the start.
I'm not going to teach it to you again. (or you could go for a field trip to North Korea, escape from your guides, and check out what a closed economy looks like as the alternative)

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/02/heavy-smog-continues-to-choke-chinas-heartland.html

 

[OmegaTrader]

Chinese Communist Party holds emergency meeting to come up with a plan as how they can blame foreigners for the catastrophic environmental neglect.

The Chinese Communist Party is dropping the equivalent of 14 Hiroshima Nuclear bombs on the Chinese people every year.

It's now a catch 22 for the Chinese Communist Party who mocked the west for caring about human rights, the people and the environment.
The Chinese Communist Party saw it as their great advantage to promote hatred, division and corruption so they could control and use the Chinese people with terror and fear and end up controlling the world via unprecedented growth.
Now they face the consequences. The dictators who run the country like a morally bankrupt corporation need to once again stimulate their economy. However this time it's a lot more tricky because this is what is happening as they do -

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It's catch 22.

If you don't understand the economic relevance or the reason why 'the west' chose to participate in the Chinese economy, despite the monsters dictating terms in China, then read this thread from the start.
I'm not going to teach it to you again. (or you could go for a field trip to North Korea, escape from your guides, and check out what a closed economy looks like as the alternative)

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/02/heavy-smog-continues-to-choke-chinas-heartland.html
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/02/heavy-smog-continues-to-choke-chinas-heartland.html

ok keep on going on

good bye

 

[notting]

We are now seeing a direct effect on IO price by Chinese Communist Parties creation of the air apocalypse for 'the people.'

When all the people start chocking to death, the communist party, from their air filtered homes, slow down production, a bit, to keep from having to deal with the people, in a an even more obvious way ala Tienanmen Square style and IO price and coal take a 'breather.'

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/07/millions-in-china-learn-to-live-with-smog-airpocalypse.html

 

[OmegaTrader]

We are now seeing a direct effect on IO price by Chinese Communist Parties creation of the air apocalypse for 'the people.'

When all the people start chocking to death, the communist party, from their air filtered homes, slow down production, a bit, to keep from having to deal with the people, in a an even more obvious way ala Tienanmen Square style and IO price and coal take a 'breather.'

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/07/millions-in-china-learn-to-live-with-smog-airpocalypse.html

Chicken little???
or GFC

 

[notting]

Banking On China?

An accidental inquiry from an investor exposed the fact that the One of Chinas huge state run national banks sold Wealth Mangement Products that didn't even exist. When shocked investors rushed to the bank, they found the head had dissapeared and the supposed due payment date had passed.

Investors are still waiting for compensation as well as a detailed explanation from the bank.

Liu, 52, was one of 150 private banking customers who had bought the WMPs. In most cases, their ties with the lender go back 10 years when the Hangtianqiao branch joined them up in a "golf club". Under the programme, they frequently invested in the products offered by the branch and in return, the bank paid for them to go on golfing trips domestically and overseas.

"If we can't even trust a big national bank, what other financial institutions can we trust?" Liu Min, who bought 12 million yuan worth of WMPs from Minsheng, said as he waited in the lobby of the Hangtianqiao branch of Minsheng Bank to hear news. Two million yuan of the WMP he invested in is was "due" April 17 but he can't get the money back.

The money was used to cover up a financial black hole left when managers of the branch were unable to recover from a commercial notes scheme. Managers covered up the loss with a 3 billion yuan loan, and they then had to "fill" the loan hole with other sources of funding, according to a media report on Tuesday. Caixin reported that the branch managers converted the commercial notes into banking notes, with higher credit and a lower rate, using fake seals.

 

[OmegaTrader]

Banking On China?

An accidental inquiry from an investor exposed the fact that the One of Chinas huge state run national banks sold Wealth Mangement Products that didn't even exist. When shocked investors rushed to the bank, they found the head had dissapeared and the supposed due payment date had passed.

Investors are still waiting for compensation as well as a detailed explanation from the bank.

Liu, 52, was one of 150 private banking customers who had bought the WMPs. In most cases, their ties with the lender go back 10 years when the Hangtianqiao branch joined them up in a "golf club". Under the programme, they frequently invested in the products offered by the branch and in return, the bank paid for them to go on golfing trips domestically and overseas.

"If we can't even trust a big national bank, what other financial institutions can we trust?" Liu Min, who bought 12 million yuan worth of WMPs from Minsheng, said as he waited in the lobby of the Hangtianqiao branch of Minsheng Bank to hear news. Two million yuan of the WMP he invested in is was "due" April 17 but he can't get the money back.

The money was used to cover up a financial black hole left when managers of the branch were unable to recover from a commercial notes scheme. Managers covered up the loss with a 3 billion yuan loan, and they then had to "fill" the loan hole with other sources of funding, according to a media report on Tuesday. Caixin reported that the branch managers converted the commercial notes into banking notes, with higher credit and a lower rate, using fake seals.

It worked during the GFC....

 

[notting]

South Korea’s government wants to know whether Chinese President Xi Jinping gave alternative facts on the nation’s history to Donald Trump.

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal last week, Trump said Xi told him during a recent summit that “Korea actually used to be a part of China.” The comments sparked outrage in Seoul and became an issue in South Korea’s presidential race, prompting the foreign ministry to seek to verify what Xi actually said.

“It’s a clear fact acknowledged by the international community that, for thousands of years in history, Korea has never been part of China,” foreign ministry spokesman Cho June-hyuck said at a briefing in Seoul on Thursday.

Here is what China does once they invade

 

[notting]

An investigation by Fairfax Media and Australian broadcaster ABC detailing A$6.7m in donations to the Liberal and Labor parties made by billionaires Huang Xiangmo and Chau Chak Wing. The report alleged that ASIO, Australia's intelligence agency, had warned both parties in 2015 about accepting the pair's donations because they had links to China's Communist party. It also said that the warnings had not been heeded.

Mr Huang, founder of Shenzhen-based property group Yuhu Group, was at the centre of a scandal last year that toppled Labor party senator Sam Dastyari when it emerged the politician had accepted thousands of dollars in donations from Yuhu and used them to pay for travel and legal bills.

In interviews with Chinese media, Mr Dastyari had publicly called for Australia to respect China's territorial claims in the South China Sea — a position contrary to that of his party.

 

[notting]

Here is your IQ test - pray tell what is odd about this picture!!!!!
If you get it right it means you have an IQ higher than 6 -

 

[notting]

But this is more important: Beijing's categorical statement that it would not tolerate disorder and military hostilities in its neighborhood is at odds with its long-standing assurances that its influence with North Korea is limited.

Indeed, the logic of last week's statement implies quite the opposite: China , it now seems, claims an absolute control over North Korea and asserts its ability to control all other would-be belligerents — the U.S., Japan and South Korea.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/04/nor...rge-of-war-in-northeast-asia--commentary.html

North Korea is the obvious decoy. That is why they are being so provocative.
Makes sense of easily detestable fat boys madness, doesn't it!

 

[notting]

[URL='https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/05/un-china-blocks-activists-harasses-experts']China engages with the UN on human rights not to further the advance of human rights and make the world a safer and nicer place but to: "Block Activists and Harasses Expert"
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https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/05/un-china-blocks-activists-harasses-experts

 

[notting]

What China has made for your kids.....

Counterfeit ISIS Lego sets pulled off shelves

• The made-in-China toys were sold both in stores and online,

Not only are they counterfeit (of course like everything made in Chinal) Be hard to come up with more evil thing to get your child into, without any conscience or sense of humanity. Chinese don't even see what's wrong with it.

 

[notting]

Scott Morrison, in a speech to a business function in New York on Thursday, US time, urged caution about China being a key source of growth for Australia.

"The risks to the upside that have borne so much fruit for the Australian economy, can be just as sharp on the downside," he said.

Reminded me of when that labor guy called the end of the mining investment boom. Seemed a bit premature as he was the first politician to call it and there were no signs in the market as yet, but he was right! No wonder China is trying distract it's people and the world with Nth Korea provocations.